Sorry, I don't consider myself "rich", but is $2.49 really that much money for anyone who can afford a PC? If someone genuinely doesn't have $2.49 to spare on any given day of the week then a) they have bigger problems than what video-games they do or don't have and b) their time would be better spent doing something more productive with their PC than playing video games and feeling sorry for themselves, like writing C.V.s and applying for jobs.

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BlackLegSanji

I would like to point out that as a 17 year-old who is focusing on passing exams rather than getting a job at this point, I genuinely often find myself with less than that amount of money at times, since my only income is my monthly allowance.

I'm sure I would normally be able to pay $2.49 for a game, but I'm not exactly in a position to be buying every game that goes on sale, if any, and I imagine others are in similar positions.

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adamofgreyskull

shrug Firstly, I had a paper-round from 13-15 every weekday before school + on weekends (4.5hrs a week). From 15-18 I had a Saturday morning job in Boots (4 hrs a week) with some overlap with the paper-round; after a while I also started, every other week, working an hour after school Monday-Friday and an hour on Sunday morning (up to 14 hours a fortnight). That was enough to keep me in Playstation games at £40 a pop, CDs and Videotapes (and eventually DVDs ;), train tickets to see friends at the weekend and when I started to drive, petrol. I got good GCSEs and A-Levels and went to university. I understand if you want to prioritise study-time over money, but it can be done, with discipline. E.g. 5 hours a week (say on Saturday morning) at £6.08 minimum wage would give you ~£100 in the hand a month after tax and NI contributions.

Secondly, I'm not saying that everyone (or even anyone!) is able to buy every game that goes on sale; I was pointing out that complaining about being "poor" on a giveaway for a game that just recently cost only $2.49 (~£1?) seemed a bit silly. Last time I was in the UK cans of coke from a vending machine were £1.

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letol

I have nothing against FunWithMaths. My only qualm in this entire discussion is that someone actually recommended that someone else beg for money on the streets so that they could buy a video game. You shouldn't be out begging on the streets unless it's absolutely necessary, just as you shouldn't be on welfare unless it's absolutely necessary.

In the end, he was joking to begin with, so I don't really have anything else to say.

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adamofgreyskull

Ok, so it's absolutely fine to tactlessly "joke" about being "poor" when you're sitting at a PC worrying where the next video game will come from (not where your next meal will come from) but it's not ok to tactlessly trivialise an amount of money by jokingly saying that you could easily get it by begging for a few hours.

Like I've already said...I should have just said, "You could find that by looking down the back of the sofa" or "You could knock out a few baby teeth and get that from the tooth fairy".

FFS, it wasn't a serious suggestion! It wasn't a business plan or motherloving financial advice. I'm shocked that I even have to point that out. For anyone who genuinely thought I was advocating begging on the streets in order to pay for games: you are too stupid to be using a computer. Fact. Step away from the keyboard and practice drooling in the corner until someone comes to get you. If you have to do something, try and remove yourself from the gene pool by drooling on exposed electrical wiring.

Oh shit. Is that what you've all been whining about? Jesus. H. Christ... I just assumed, based on the fairly complete sentences and reasonably cogent arguments...but...damn. I'm lost for words.

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letol

You obviously understand that there are some incredibly idiotic people out there. What you need to understand is that other people understand that as well and will take that into account when reading what everyone, including you, writes. Shit, dude, the other day, I had a friend suggest that I apply for welfare solely due to the idea that I'd be likely to receive it. He knows damn well that I don't need it, yet still suggested it as it would be free money. Especially on the internet where many people aren't scared to say what they're thinking, it's impossible to know what to expect.

Also, yes, I realize that you were joking. I saw you mention it to someone else after I had already made my first reply and before I posted what you replied to. I'm perfectly fine with you joking about begging for money for a video game. If you read the last sentence of my post that you replied to, I acknowledge that you pointed it out as a joke. I had nothing else to say because I don't care if you're merely joking about that.

Chill.

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adamofgreyskull

Apologies :) I thought you were talking about FunWithMaths' "joke."

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FunWithMaths

I'm going to skip that I was kind of joking for a moment, and maybe open your eyes on the fact, that in some countries when people are unemployed, it's because there are no jobs, and not because they're to lazy to take them. But by all means, stay ignorant. It suits you! Just answer me this: why do you even enter giveaways, Richie Rich? I see you have a good grasp at what you can get from begging, so I'm guessing you're into hard core freeloading, apart from steamgifts.

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adamofgreyskull

Hehe, "Richie Rich". I have finite resources, just like everyone else. I was also kinda-joking, and pointing out that Mirror's Edge was $2.49 2 days ago (hence why so many people have recently started giveaways for it). I wanted to make the point that that is so little money, in real terms, that you could pay for it by begging for loose change. I could just as easily have said that you could pay for it by looking down the back of the sofa, but I didn't. I didn't mean to imply that you, or anyone else, was too lazy to work at a job.

What I will say is that if someone can afford a PC to play games on (and the $50 worth of games it takes to join SteamGifts) it's highly likely that that someone could also afford the $2.49 it would have cost to buy Mirror's Edge. It would cost me more than that to buy 2 goddamn cans of energy-drink.

I enter giveaways because, as I say, I have limited resources like everyone else and I like playing games. I could spend all my money on all the games I want to play but then I wouldn't be able to do the other things I enjoy.

P.S. If you can find the time to accuse me of being a "hardcore freeloader", could you also find the time to click on my profile link and see that I've started 3 giveaways and (so-far) won 0? Thanks.

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P.P.S. I've just noticed that you've won 1 giveaway and started 0. Have some FunWithMaths and work out our respective ratios of giveaways started to giveaways won and compare them! ;)

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FunWithMaths

Yeah, you're right. We should give things to those, who have more than us! I'll keep that in mind the next time I get a crazy idea to give some money to charity. I should call Warren Buffet instead and ask, if he could use some spare change! You know, you could have looked at my profile to see how few games I have and that my steam rank is low, precisely because I have more important things to worry about and spend my money on (which btw are mostly bills, not "other things I enjoy"). But why should you? After all, ignorance is bliss!

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divinemango

Also consider the fact that not everyone is an adult with a paying job and bank account that allows them to buy games online....I daresay, this was a pretty rude comment.

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adamofgreyskull

I'm sorry, I didn't mean it to be rude, it was semi-joking. However, at the end of the day everyone here has a PC and, according to the rules, doesn't everyone here have to have at least $50 of games on their Steam account? That sort of implies that they have the ability to buy games online?

I did odd-jobs for my parents and my grandad to earn money, pounds at a time to save up for games for my Commodore Amiga 500 when I was 9-13; from then I also worked as a paperboy, then in a shop, to save to buy my Playstation, then to buy games for my Playstation. (Amiga games were ~£10-£20, Playstation games £30-£50. The Playstation itself was around £200). If I were that age now I'd no doubt get my parents to put that money in my Steam wallet for me if I couldn't do it myself.

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divinemango

I wasn't necessarily talking about the people here. I was talking about people who beg for games in general.

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adamofgreyskull

Of course, you're right. I realise now just how rude I was being. To anyone, for whom $2.49/£1.50/€1.86 is an insurmountable amount of money to pay for a game you want to play on your PC, I apologise. By trivialising the sum of money ($2.49/£1.50/€1.86) in question I have perpretated a gross sleight on the characters of all poverty-stricken PC users, young and old; for this I apologise. For suggesting that young people get a part-time job to pay for things they want, as I, and every generation of children before mine did, I apologise.

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