Consoles vs PC

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A common misconception from a console peasant.

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Consoles, starting with the original XBox, have been becoming more and more PC-like. If consoles become literally just PCs with brand names, they'll be just PCs with higher prices. Nothing more.

Regarding console ports that play poorly on PC, we PC gamers have hundreds of times more games to play instead. But most of the people complaining about poor optimization are trying to play the port in the graphics settings they're used to getting from other PC games, which are far in excess of the console originals.

For the rest, myself included, the problem with console ports comes to things like FOV, menu controls, or the controls in general.

Console programmers are often lazy. They know they can alter their controls properly, but they just don't put the effort into it. They know how to alter the graphics engine so it gives the quality PC gamers are used to, but don't make the effort. Some of this is pressure from publishers, but that can't be all of it. Thus, console ports tend to get very poor reviews by PC gamers when we compare them to our usual PC games with far higher graphics and better controls.

Nobody but the highest-end, the 1%, buy a new PC every 1-2 years. The bulk of us might buy 300 USD worth of gear every five years, and most of that isn't even necessary to beat console visuals. We just want great graphics to go with the greater quality and range of gameplay we have access to.

My old system had parts that might be worth about 200 USD today. It was pumping out 1080p 60fps with almost zero post processing. That's higher resolution than XBox 360, and the XBox 360 didn't even put any antialiasing on its later games. Look at how crap BF3 looked. It only took a Radeon HD 7870, with a price of 240 USD, to bump it up to 1080p 60fps medium settings on Crysis 3. Yes, I could buy something that costs 800 USD to get that up to ultra settings, and that would take me even farther above console quality. But I don't need ultra quality, and neither do console gamers apparently. Console gamers have labeled themselves as being against top-notch quality by preferring a console to a PC of similar price.

As far as buying a new console every 10 years, that wasn't true until Microsoft started making consoles. Before then, a new console would last you about 4 years just like today's PCs for the midrange crowd. A 400-500 USD PC currently matches XB1/PS4 performance/quality. In two years, just like with the 360, a PC around 350-400 USD will beat an XB1/PS4. I think it took three years for a 400 USD PC to beat an original XBox. The more PC-like consoles become, the less viable their price/performance becomes.

If consoles were just gaming machines, and not multimedia centers, they would still be the obvious choice for really cheap entry into high quality gaming. All those extras really lift the price of a console. When you add the ability to read DVDs or Blu-Ray discs, there are patents to pay that have nothing to do with gaming. When you add the ability to stream HD video through your console, you raise the price of the console with zero effect on gaming quality. Adding native Netflix capability has nothing to do with gaming. A console is no longer a gaming platform, it is a crippled multimedia PC.

Look at the benefits and detriments of both consoles and PCs. Most of the benefits of consoles are just lies by the manufacturer. Most of the detriment of PCs are misconceptions by console gamers, or are lies by console programmers defending their own jobs because they don't want the publisher to drop their development group over negative press coverage.

COD Ghosts looks good enough on a 400 USD PC than on console, and will only keep improving visual quality as better parts get cheaper and you plug those parts into your PC and end up with much better visuals less than two years after the launch of the console version. At that point, every console game that's also on PC will look better on PC from day one.

This generation, we're already seeing evidence that the PC version is the first version, and consoles are getting the ports again like the old days of console gaming.

Consider looking at youtube videos of 400 USD PC builds which include benchmark videos of playing various games. Then check out the 500-600 USD builds, which next year will be the 400 USD builds.

Start putting together a list of the pros and cons of each platform and ask people about each item individually. Do your own research as well, including figuring out if what you believe to be true really is true.

Console = fat lazy gamer Pc = awesome hardcore gamer

quite honestly you don't have to upgrade your hardware every year or two, the average gaming PC has a shelf life of 4 to 5 years if you stretch it and will continue to play most modern games with perhaps lower settings. They're not as poorly optimized as you might think and have much more rapid updates and support for them over consoles. The newest gen of consoles can barely playback 4k video let alone play games in 4k which greatly reduces the need for GPU intensive anti-aliasing and similar features resulting in a much better picture quality and, by extension, experience. The games on PC generally start out at least 10$ cheaper and are consistently cheaper throughout their life eventually becoming so cheap you can do impulse buys without even thinking if it's going to hurt your wallet. Free multiplayer (with limited exceptions for some subscription based games) provided you have internet access. Not to mention it's a fully functional computer you can use for all kinds of other things even if it's primary purpose is gaming. You can still hook up the controllers from the consoles and play with them if you're so inclined. There's also the open mod community for making useful addons for the games generally provided for free, Looking at skyrim right there as an amazing example which was obscenely difficult to mod on the consoles. The list goes on however the key point is the investment is solid and pays for itself over it's lifetime.

on a side note is the fact that both Sony and Microsoft have already begun preliminary designs for the "next gen" which they've quietly stated they expect to be in about 4 years, which is to say your new console isn't going to be on the shelf as long as this last gen was for 7+ years, realistically you can expect to see new consoles being "rumored" and advertised in about 4 years and on the shelves within the next 6 years I almost gaurantee it.

As much as I may loathe some facets of consoles I will admit they have some attractive qualities and I do still plan to buy them both after a price drop or two and some real games come out, but if I had to pick just one it would be PC, and if it's from a budget conscious perspective the initial cost of entry may be high but again it's ever so worth it, and there's even talk about steam allowing friends to share games in the near future which is probably one of the biggest complaints these days and even still it's not so bad.

let's also consider how the steamOS may effect the concept of consoles, and how the current gen is effectively running virtual machines which suggest that at least in the future if they keep the fundamental architecture should at least mean backward compatibility which has never been a problem for PC, I've still got my original floppy of Doom and it works fine, let's see you try to play any original cartridge games on any modern console.... Which somehow reminds me to mention how SSD's with their constant improvements are speeding up everything along with this month's release of consumer DDR4 Ram from crucial means there's amazing room for games that if designed for a newer PC wouldn't be capable of running on the consoles. While it's true the avg pc is 13x more powerful than the last gen they're also still roughly 2x more powerful than this new gen, that's right this new gen couldn't even muster up enough hardware to beat out pc's even in the short run. This whole generation just seems horribly timed for me and marred with too many early launch issues that if they'd just focused for perhaps an extra year or two downt he road could've avoided all of this and had enough newer hardware to make it competitive, as it stands the new consoles came out just as serious PC revolutions are happening and they came unprepared, underequipped, with their uniforms on backwards.

I think you forget that having a good PC that is capable of playing games also means that you have a good PC which is faster in general for anything you might do - videos, music, photoshop, production, excel, word processing, powerpoints, charts, bitcoin mining, etc. A PC might be more expensive, but it's a multipurpose device with more customization, upgradability, and usefulness.

This topic is riff with fanboyism and you already showed you decided that consoles are best race etc. But Ill go through your "questions" one by one.
Is it worth [it] now and in the future to make a pc?
Depends on usage, most people already own a computer, if they are a gamer and made a gaming pc from the get go, the initial investment is the same. 2-300 for an "office/everyday pc" and another 4-500 for the gaming upgrades. 6-800 USD can certainly build you a great gaming rig.

I [personally] think it's not, [these] new games [that] [come] out are [badly] optimized for pc and bad ports from consoles.
Consoles get their terribly released games too. Thing about pc games is that you can mod, patch, and update them through none standard releases. See every Bethesda game with the community patches.

Plus I don't believe it is wise to buy something new every 1-2 years just to work a game [which] [you] bought.
Other then keeping every setting maxed out for the life of the "generation" you do NOT need to upgrade or "buy new" past the initial investment IF you invested wisely. Worst case, with the current i5-4k cpus, you only need to upgrade graphics cards. If you just want console quality, then that PC you built today will last you longer than a console, not counting any accidents or theft and such.

A console [you'll] buy once for 10 years.
Maybe, but many people that buy consoles buy multiple consoles, not to mention pay a lot more for the games then PC gamers do.
Also add in the current gen consoles devs are already looking at releasing a newer model.

So, what's [your] opinion about this thing...will be consoles [be] better then pc's[?]
At one point console games and hardware was better, but now gaming pcs certainly beat a console hands down. Thats not even adding in the additional features offered by PCs such as backwards compatibility. I can play dos games on my win 7 machine for example.

(PS4 [has] the same graphics as PC)
See above. PS4 afaik is locked to 1080p and 30-60fps depending on game, PC's have no such limitations. Lets not start on Xbox one as its resolution output is even lower then the PS4.

the community will get bigger on consoles?
Pretty much everyone owns a PC in one form or another, not everyone owns a console. Granted, most PCs are not used for gaming, or rather hardcore gaming, but then again a lot of consoles are used just to stream netflix. Also, this is my opinion, but a bigger community is not always better.

I believe it will and it is much more cheaper to buy a console then PC [which] will never end buying a new and a new piece over and over. So, what do you think guys?
Already addressed above, but to reiterate, pc gamers do not NEED to upgrade anything if they wish to play games at console quality. Constant upgrading is for enthusists like me that just like to max every setting and may use a number of monitors that require super high resolutions, many times more pixels then a ps4 could hope to pump out.

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You contradict yourself a lot between your post and your comments, so it would be a 1/10, but you've got so many jimmies rustled that you must be doing something right. +2 for you.

I can't believe I never thought of this until JUST NOW:

As far as cost goes, keep in mind any premium services you may wish to sign up for on each console. This by itself makes the PC pay for itself. Combine it with cheaper games and it's a winning combination.

Five years of XBox Live Gold, where no requirement exists on PC.

Five years of Playstation +, where no requirement exists on PC.

PC still needs to pay for internet service, but so do consoles. On top of paying for those services that provide what PC gamers get for free with their internet connection.

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The impression I always had was that consoles are cheaper only because they can be sold basically at a loss if they can make up the revenue in game sales. I don't mind paying more (significantly more even) for a PC because the games are much cheaper, there are far more of them, and I can use it for numerous things other than gaming.

As pentaerythritol rightly said, it's a multipurpose device with more customization, upgradability, and usefulness. For me, that adds a lot of value.

This is dumb. Your argument was made during the last generation of consoles, and it is as wrong now as it was back then.

Keep it simple:
you want COD Ghosts - buy a console
you want spreadsheets - buy a PC

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the only good thing about console is the voice chat that everyone has always on... so you can always make new friends and never play MP alone

I just saw the topic's title and said: "Oh, not this again."