About time. It's a shame it took a child's death for the politicians to act. A cull is the most humane way to proceed. Most of those dogs are hungry, disease ridden and killing native wildlife.
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A friend of mine has been in a country with his dog in vacation, he was 8 years old back then, playing with him outside and then BAM dead. They thought the dog "attacked" him. So they shot him right in front of my friend's face. Pls explain an 8 year old that his friend, the dog, is now dead and will never ever come back, because it is cheaper for the gouvernment to just kill all.
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I really think you are mixing different things up in here. Also if I had the power, I would too shot dead a dog that's trying to attack somebody. Without a trace of doubt.
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i think you misunderstood me, i did not say the gouvernment is bad, i said that the people should at least ask the kid before they shoot. or not shoot if the kid is laughing.
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65,000 dogs roaming the streets? Crikey - you must have to wade through a knee-high morass of dog turds just to get to your front gate...
I like dogs as much as the next guy, but if you're going to build shelters, assuming each shelter holds 100 dogs, you'd need 650 of them (plus staff) just to hold the current population.
If you're right about the number of dogs being abandoned being large enough to result in another 65,000 dogs getting released in the next "few years", where do you draw the line? At what stage do you take more corrective action, rather than simply creating additional homes and facilities for them?
Ignoring the fact that the majority of these feral dogs will be entirely unsuitable for anyone to keep as pets, how many shelters are you suggesting get built, and how much money is going to get earmarked for dog chow, vetinary bills, staffing and the purchase/maintenance of facilities to house them?
I'd suggest that this sort of venture, even if only undertaken in Bucharest (and not every other city in the country with this sort of issue) is way, way beyond the city's limited budget, and the money could be put towards addressing some of the country's more pressing social issues rather than the creation of a vast network of doggie hotels...
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Stray dogs have no place in a big city, not that many anyway.
If that's what it takes, I'd erase 100.000 dogs for just 1 human life.
Left alone they'll multiply exponentially.
It's the people's fault for abandoning dogs in the first place, no denying that, but that's not really an excuse when a child is killed. The fact that he was or wasn't supervised is irrelevant at this point.
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This guy...
You dont even know if the kid kicked the dog or whatever, there is no excuse for letting a 4 y/o without supervision in a park either, should we kill his parents too?
On one side, we have an animal, simple minded, you dont even know if the kid hit him and he reacted, on the other side, we have a grandparent who doesnt give a dam for the kid and just leaved him alone in the park, but hey, its the dog fault.
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Apart from the fact that the children is dead. Stray dogs are a real concern for public health. They are a vector for parasites and diseases and I wouldn't want to have sixty five fucking thousands starving beasts roaming the city.
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well i believe that potentially dangerous animals don't have a place in city if they are not on a leash or somehow contained. so killing stray dogs for me is one way of dealing with the problem.
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Potentially dangerous? They are friking abandoned dogs, by humans you know, dogs doesn't plop* from nowhere. It was just 1 kid, an isolated case, and just because he was left alone in a park. He could have been killed by a car too because he was alone, suddenly no one seems to ask what was the grandma thinking.
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Jesus Christ. They ARE potentially dangerous, they are savage beasts with no fear to humans living in a city. How on earth is that NOT dangerous?
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Putting aside the argument about the dead child, 65,000 stray dogs simply have no place in a modern city. I don't see how anyone can see this as an acceptable state of affairs.
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It's caretaker's fault for leaving the kid unsupervised, true. I'm not shifting blame from them, but you're relying in 'IF's here. We don't know if he kicked the dog, tried to pet it or just played in the sand.
You should try being near a pack of those things, see how pleasant it is. I was, and it's terrifying. I couldn't get out of the car.
I'm all for saving them if possible. I take no pleasure in killing/hurting animals. Quite the opposite. I even try to save the flies/spiders in my home.
However, there is a line that has to be drawn. When people are threatened by dogs and you can't walk the streets/in parks for fear of not being attacked, the dog's rights should not outweigh not even equal those of the humans.
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We still don't know the facts. The kid might have been simply playing without provoking the dogs in any way. Read the full post, don't ignore what you don't agree with.
There are a lot of ifs. It's a tragic accident with blame on parents/authorities and dogs.
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Stray dogs are a problem and should be taken care of. All the people saying they shouldn't kill them should go and catch one of the dogs and take care of it if they are so worried about them. I bet none of you against killing them gave a shit before you read this post.
If you care so much get them off the street then. Do something about it or come up with a better solution.
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But that would imply actually doing something instead of hipocritically whinning in the internet and spreading their personal disorders.
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"Oh this is bullshit they shouldn't kill dogs. I'm going to do something about this after I finish this level"
(3 hours later)
"Wasn't I going to do something earlier? Oh well time to enter some giveaways"
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some of you guys are fucking ridiculous. what the hell gives you the right to kill another living being? "oh they're attacking people in the night" so what? i've been attacked, everyone being attacked. but it doesn't mean we have to kill them, it means we have to take care of them, without fucking killing. shelters must be built or we have to take them to home. i seriously don't understand you people. how in the world you want them dead? you are not important from them, nor they are more important from you. we are equal with any living being, we can't just kill them for "human's sake"
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You are fucking ridiculous. Having 65 THOUSAND stray dogs living in a city is a public health problem and refusing to acknowledge it is naive at the very least.
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Like somebody else said, how and where do you plan to build 650 shelters (if a shelter can hold 100 dogs) ? Apart from a ridiculous amount of money that is required to build them, you also need FOOD, MAINTENANCE and STAFF.
Plus it's fucking disgusting to see dog feces everywhere and again, it's ridiculous to fear of going out for a walk or something because of DOGS.
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Humans != dogs. Just because you don't mind being attacked doesn't mean the rest should live in fear of being attacked by dogs in the middle of the city like you're in a freaking forest.
65k is too many. Save them all if possible, but the problem needs to be taken care of. Leave them alone and next year you'll have double that.
As I said in comments above, I'm all for animal rights, but it's humans first, animals later.
I love dogs. But if one comes charging at my kid, you better believe it'll leave there on 2 legs or won't leave at all.
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animals > humans. at least they don't think they should be killing us because of our FUCKING POPULATION. i seriously can't believe this shit. seeing dog faces in everywhere disgusting? humans first, animals later? who the hell are you? what your thinking is fucking racism. 65k dog? you can take them to fucking home. you don't need to take them actually, just feed them and love them, that would solve all your stinking problems. "government can't built that much shelter, it's expensiveblabla" so? there are people who built shelters without taking any fund from government. also this is a hand-made problem, and it's caused by people. you are taking them home, but you are getting bored with them and let them loose. this is why you have 65k stray dog in your beloved cities.
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Let's see if you sing the same tune after your kid is killed by a dog.
I don't want to take dogs at home. I have my own that I love and take care of, don't need more. I love animals, I just don't put them before humans.
But with extremists like you there's no reasoning.
You'd let hundreds of people be killed/harmed rather than hurt one of your feral dogs.
Yes, it's a man made problem, but it's a problem. Closing your eyes to it and ignoring it won't make it go away.
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yeah wise words. if you really can believe them.
if there's anyone, who's closing their eyes to this problem, it is you people. you call me extremist, and telling me there's no reasoning with me. but i'm not the one who's trying to get them killed. killing them is extreme, not saving them. if kids are being attacked by stray animals, then this is their parents irresponsibility. you are looking after a dog, and this is really great. but you can share your dogs food with a stray animal, or just buy another pack at least for one them, did you know that? you are the one who's ignoring the problems of the stray dogs. you can't just kill them, it would be like killing another person.
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no, i'm a vegetarian, yet. i'm going to be a vegan though in a short amount of time. i'm living in a country, where vegan products and ingredients are quite expensive, and i can't afford them for now as a student and a human who is raising an animal which is picked up from the street.
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Edit: I've misread. That's all I've wanted to ask since there's too many people saying what you said but aren't even vegetarians in the first place. Thanks for not being one of them.
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vegetarians can defend arguments like that, did you know? oh i think you missed the part where i said "i'm going to be a vegan in a short amount of time". please, don't come up with "but you're not vegan yet". it would be dumb.
edit: oh wait. thanks you too, i didn't see you edited your post, i am sorry.
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I've read it as 'no I'm not a vegetarian yet'. I wouldn't pick on anyone for having such strong feelings about animals while being a vegetarian. Saying what you said AND eating meat on a daily basis - which thankfully isn't the case - was what I wanted to exclude.
No offense taken, I'm just asking because of my curiosity, thanks for answering. :)
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And here we see a prime example of the common sense that our species has managed to remove from our gene pool...
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radical solution: kill all the dogs and the people who abandoned them, problem solved...
as always, man-made problem
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That's very emotional and all, but let me ask you one question: If you are so concerned about the dogs, why haven't you founded a group that will take them off the streets and care for them, even before all of this happened? You could never save all of them, but help one and you've changed the world. Or, is it easier to wait for someone else to do something, while crying on the Internet?
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And, the country you are talking about is Romania, and yeah, if they don't have a owner they should be killed, you like to see stray dogs all over Bucharest? You should take them all home if you don't want them dead, killing is the best option.
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OK, where is the online petition against this that I can sign?
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There was a easy and simple solution a few years ago - Neutering them. If this have been done at the proper moment, there would be no problem now. But they decided to invest the money for the neutering process in other things, like their own fucking pockets. So, regarding the killing process ... ok kill them ... but if you do this you should probably also kill all the murderers, rapist, burglars, gypsys, and any other scum that is now in the prison or even in freedom. And with this i would say it would be fair enough.
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Tell me how many times have you got the chance to pet a stray dog? They are of no good use' furthermore they are a threat. I know a girl who was bitten by one on the face' and now she has to go by with the rest of her life with a malformed chin. Trust me if it was you who was bitten you would have a different opinion. We should just catch and sell them like we did with the rest of our country.
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Tell me how many times have you got the chance to pet a stray dog? They are of no good use' furthermore they are a threat. I know a girl who was bitten by one on the face' and now she has to go by with the rest of her life with a malformed chin. Trust me if it was you who was bitten you would have a different opinion. We should just catch and sell them like we did with the rest of our country.
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Sorry, but which country is this happening in? I just heard of the story
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I personally love dogs, i have a dog my self. If i would see anyone killing a fcking dog, i would kill him just as he wanted to kill the dog. The dogs are innocent, they are cute and foolish. They do not know, why does someone wanna harm them. Peoples do. That's why, if i would have to chose in killing a fcking piece sh1t or a cute dog (since everyone that kills a dog or any sort of animal is a piece of sh1t) i would kill the piece of sh1t.
Do not kill all the dogs, kill only the ones that killed the kid.
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As I said in the other thread, the solutions which were proposed will never work. Putting ideologies aside, the best way to solve the issue would be to pay a company to keep the streets clean of the dogs. Not like now, where they get like 5 euros for each dog sterilized (or maybe each dog killed). They should be given a penalty each time a stray dog is sighted. In about a month the streets would be clear.
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Because a 4 years old was killed by dogs while his grandma was at the shop. Yep, a 4 years old was alone in a park. Nobody says how he could've been kidnapped/raped/ran over by a car, etc, they just wanna kill the stray dogs. They say they don't have money to make shelters and killing them all is cheaper. I personally find this very stupid. There are stray dogs here since 40 years ago and nobody said anything until now, this "tragedy" allows people get a reason to bitch about it. Nobody says anything about the guy around the block that looks strange at you, they are scared of stray dogs. I wanna hear some outside opinions about this, so please, post. I live in Romania btw if anybody's curious.
There are around 65.000 stray dogs only in the capital, and most of them come from abandon. The abandon rate here is huge, so they would raise that number again in a few years.
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