Look good?
Looks incredible. A small team of of talented devs should make it more focused & impactful. Hopefully Bandai Namco lets them do their thing.
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I don't think what you say is true. I think there is many places all over the internet where Witcher fans explained the problem.
Let's also be honest - while normal people were playing Stellar Blade the weak and pathetic people were crying all over the internet about that protagonist being too sexy. This shows us that people don't have problem with woman as a protagonist and we saw it since the first Tomb Raider or probably even before that.
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Sequel to a trilogy is quite different than a standalone game in terms of expectations, and you can look up quite a few crying posts around The Witcher 4 announcement who cried about Ciri being "ugly" and not pretty enough.
And let's not forget that one of the situations where woman protagonists are accepted if they are fuckable pretty enough. Tomb Raider was literally changed to a woman to have a pretty ass to look at while you play
There is a very local group crying about Silent Hill 2 characters not being sexy enough, "bearded" Aloy, "trans" characters in The Last of Us 2 because muscles belong to men, not petite enough Lara Croft in the animated series, and a few others. There are "weak and pathetic" people behind quite a few opinion's more radical side.
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I think the biggest problem is that Ciri had space and time bending powers and now they just made her yet another Witcher just with boobs. There was so much that they could do with a space and time bending character like her in that world.
"And let's not forget that one of the situations where woman protagonists are accepted if they are fuckable pretty enough."
Well no one wants to play as ugly men or women. Like you would not want to play a game as an obese neckbeard in flip flops wearing a fedora now would you?
"Tomb Raider was literally changed to a woman to have a pretty ass to look at while you play"
Nice. Didn't know that. Looks like it turned out to be great decision by the developers.
I agree that there are weak and pathetic people on both sides as they both are radical and have many similarities despite hating each others.
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you can look up quite a few crying posts around The Witcher 4 announcement who cried about Ciri being "ugly" and not pretty enough.
And yet I bet that if she had looked any sexier, she'd have been called Witcher Barbie because she didn't look "credible as a Witcher"
not petite enough Lara Croft in the animated series
I've actually seen someone say "they are trying to make Lara trans" because her upper body now looks like it belongs to a woman who randomly spends her time hanging off ledges and cliffsides and because she generally has a busts that doesn't make it seem her spinal column is going to give any moment now XD
You forgot the character from Star Wars Outlaws who has "a man's jaw"
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This shows us that people don't have problem with woman as a protagonist and we saw it since the first Tomb Raider or probably even before that.
They don't have a problem with a female protagonist that gives them a boner, maybe. But as soon as she doesn't conform to their standards of sexy, it's a personal attack on all male gamers or something. We have also seen that.
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People just don't want to play as ugly people. Can you blame them for wanting a good looking heroes in games and other media? Do you want to play as ugly women and ugly men in games instead of being good looking and heroic? Would you play as ugly obese neckbeard wearing flip flops and fedora? Sounds like a loser and not a hero right?
What we have seen so far in last 3 years is so called people from woke sect all over social media virtue signaling and pretending that they support games and developers. But in reality we got many shity AAA games to be made for that people as they were supposed to be such a large loud group while we all know they are just a loud minority. Those games failed and studios lost hundreds of millions of dollars trying to cater to such people that will never buy games in the first place. Woke mind virus cult wants to be represented in everything but they will never support anything where they are represented with actual money - only words that costs them nothing on social media and they will do it only to feel better about themselves and live in their own delusions all over social media.
We also saw them crying about Hogwarts Legacy and being all wokal about it making it sell even more copies than anticipated thanks to such people crying over it. We saw other games that they cried about like Stellar Blade and Black Myth Wukong and Space Marine 2 being a success despite them crying loudly over social media.
It looks like that woke loud minority does not matter at all and will never buy anything even created for them.
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Would you play as ugly obese neckbeard wearing flip flops and fedora? Sounds like a loser and not a hero right?
There is a big difference between playing as a woman who doesn't look straight out of a Vogue photoshoot and playing as The Dude and yes I would play a game with any character looking good or bad if the game is good and the character is interesting.
Woke mind virus cult wants to be represented in everything but they will never support anything where they are represented with actual money
So you think a female character makes a game woke? I like playing as diverse characters and I'm a gamer like you. Don't I exist? Should I only ever play games that feature straight white dudes like it's the 80ies just because it offends the "anti-woke" brigade that the option not to do that even exists?
Also what does this have to do with weaklings taking a female character wearing scars as a personal attack against their boner time?
They haven't even played the game or seen any gameplay of the game and they're already whining about it only because Ciri looks like an actual Witcher now.
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"So you think a female character makes a game woke? I like playing as diverse characters and I'm a gamer like you. Don't I exist? Should I only ever play games that feature straight white dudes like it's the 80ies just because it offends the "anti-woke" brigade that the option not to do that even exists?"
We both know what a woke mind virus is and pretending that a female character makes a game woke would be stupid and insane and that is what woke cultists do. We both know that it is people from the woke cult that will pretend that if someone is not part of that cult he MUST think something so stupid that they will then build a strawman about what that person thinks just to defeat the strawman in their heads to feel better about themselves.
You do exists and you can play whatever you want. As long as the game is good I will play it too and I don't care if I'm playing as a human or an alien or a machine. Gameplay and story is the most important things for me in games. But I'm sure we both saw in past few years that all the games created for woke cultists failed and had shity both story and gameplay - and we both know it is because they were mostly focusing for those games to be woke and have DEI check marks instead of focusing on gameplay and story. As we can see woke cultists can't even create a good game for themselves despite having access to corporations worth billions of dollars and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on their games. It sucks to suck I guess... Funny is how those people also try to boycott any game that does not represent them and their woke mind virus and is not focused on them gameplay and story wise. Hell those people even try to get after other people that don't agree with them or those peoples jobs! Who does that? They express typical cult mentality combined with mental illness and we all saw it clearly during last few years.
"Also what does this have to do with weaklings taking a female character wearing scars as a personal attack against their boner time?
They haven't even played the game or seen any gameplay of the game and they're already whining about it only because Ciri looks like an actual Witcher now."
Well I was speaking about weak and pathetic people in general giving some representation to everything they have achieved so far and everything we saw so far. All that crying that made good games sold better and all that crying over bad games made for them not selling good is on them. You are also trying to pretend it is about Ciri looks (yes maybe some small percent of weirdos are focused on that - mostly woke people) but the real problem is Ciri powers and how they made her now be just a Witcher with boobs. With her powers - time and space bending powers in The Witcher universe they could do so much more and so much better than just downgrading her from what she was to just a Witcher. I hope the gameplay will be solid. Still it feels strange for Geralt and Yennefer and Triss to even allow her to go thru Trail of Grasses at all. We will see how they will explain that story wise. I think that by pretending that people ONLY or MOSTLY cry about her looks you just push away real criticism from you and enter into a bubble screaming that it is all about females giving guys boners and not reality and what people are saying.
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We both know what a woke mind virus
I honestly have no idea what a woke mind virus is. I don't speak internet.
that they will then build a strawman about what that person thinks just to defeat the strawman in their heads to feel better about themselves.
And yet what you are describing is literally what the Witcher 4 haters have been doing already. "they're breaking canon by making a woman a witcher! Everyone knows women can't be witchers!" except no the canon doesn't say that at all and the problem is not that Ciri is not pretty or that canon is being broken (it's really not). The problem is the protagonist of the game is a woman and by most people's standards still a beautiful woman. So I guess you don't have to be a "woke cult member" to use that strawman tactic after all.
Gameplay and story is the most important things for me in games
Same for me. And I don't dispute that there are people who, for some reason, feel the need to politicize everything but they are on both side of the "woke" BS, brother.
But I'm sure we both saw in past few years that all the games created for woke cultists failed and had shity both story and gameplay
There have been games failing for decades and woke had nothing to do with it. There also have been games that are by definition "woke" that were massive successes even before the word existed. And still are today. Like Hogwarts Legacy. Or Mass Effect. Or Dragon Age.
Token diversity and the diversity bingo are stupid. But they're not the reason games fail. They fail because they're bad.
the real problem is Ciri powers and how they made her now be just a Witcher with boobs.
We literally only have a short cinematic trailer at this point. How can you already have a problem with her being depicted as "just a Witcher with boobs"? We have no idea what she's going to be. And they are planning on 3 games. How can anyone pretend to know what the character's abilities or her journey going to be over 3 games? That's the insane part of your argument, right there, friend.
Still it feels strange for Geralt and Yennefer and Triss to even allow her to go thru Trail of Grasses at all.
I doubt anyone could stop her from doing anything she wants but since she is a Child of Destiny, canon-wise, she might not have needed the trials at all so yes we will see how they explain that. And it may be a shit show, I don't know. But so far, no canon has been hurt and we still know too little about the actual game and story to be all up in arms about how they are "destroying" the Witcher.
enter into a bubble screaming that it is all about females giving guys boners and not reality and what people are saying.
You literally are the one who made it about a character being "too sexy" for "weak-minded" people.
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"I honestly have no idea what a woke mind virus is"
Everyone with internet knows what it is. We all have social media. We all have seen this cult crying everywhere over everything.
"except no the canon doesn't say"
The books clearly state that only young boys can survive Trail of Grassess. It was tried with women also and all women died during just the first step of it. 70% of boys also died during Trial of Grasses. So far all we know is only 30% of boys and 0% of girls survive Trial of Grasses and they have to be kids.
"The problem is the protagonist of the game is a woman"
No it's not. That is what woke people focus on and what they are pretending is a problem to others to feel better about themselves. People all over the internet explained it many times but of course woke people will pretend hur dur they don't like women while also they were the one hating women in games for being too good looking while normal people were playing games with women for past 30 years without any problems. Woke people get fixated on bullshit they themselves create in their heads...
"There have been games failing for decades and woke had nothing to do with it"
We are speaking about not decades but last 3 years where woke people were actively making games and working in AAA companies. All games they worked on were failures and the games that woke people didn't work on become successes.
"There also have been games that are by definition "woke" that were massive successes even before the word existed. And still are today. Like Hogwarts Legacy. Or Mass Effect. Or Dragon Age."
Woke will pretend that games that were good were somehow woke before the cult even existed. But we all know that reality is that normal people can make good games. Woke were also the ones crying and boycotting Hogwarts Legacy. But yes normal games with normal inclusion are great because that inclusion is not the most important thing in such games.
"Token diversity and the diversity bingo are stupid. But they're not the reason games fail. They fail because they're bad."
Yes they fail because they are bad. But what made them bad in last 3 years was woke people focusing on pushing their cult thinking instead of focusing on gameplay and story. Games were promoted as being gay or with trans surgery scars etc. instead of being promoted with gameplay and story. Woke people working on games and pushing their agenda into such games made them fall. Because woke people can't create anything and everything they touch turns to shit and we have seen it now more than 10 times. We humans and gamers even more have pattern recognition so now it is easy to see what next things they are working on and how shity they will be probably if their track record remains the same.
"We literally only have a short cinematic trailer at this point. How can you already have a problem with her being depicted as "just a Witcher with boobs"? We have no idea what she's going to be. And they are planning on 3 games. How can anyone pretend to know what the character's abilities or her journey going to be over 3 games? That's the insane part of your argument, right there, friend."
They made her struggle in a fight with a monster she would normally kill thanks to her powers very quickly. They also made her drink Witcher elixir. They also made her use some different type of magic that we yet not know (this is the only thing giving me hope). It clearly shows that she is just a beginner Witcher and has no space and time bending powers. They scaled her down instead of scaling her enemies up and making her fight some of the most powerful mages that were looking for Ciri and her blood for centuries for their experiments. But then the game would be named Ciri and not Witcher - thus they made her be a Witcher. I HOPE I'm wrong. I HOPE the explanation for this will not be that she can survive anything as she has Elder blood in her.
"I doubt anyone could stop her from doing anything she wants but since she is a Child of Destiny, canon-wise, she might not have needed the trials"
Child of Destiny means nothing as there were many of such childs. That was how Witchers were taking kids for killing monsters to turn them into next witchers. Being a Child of Destiny from Law of Surprise does not make her unique. Her Elder blood is but I HOPE the explanation for her passing the Trial of Grassess at such an old age for the trials will not be that she can survive anything as she has Elder blood in her... but I'm almost sure this is what they will go with...
"You literally are the one who made it about a character being "too sexy" for "weak-minded" people."
Nah. It was the woke people who were up in arms and screaming that characters in games are too sexy and are not looking like them... This makes them weak and pathetic as they can't experience a media if someone is not looking as ugly as they are...
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They really hate a woman as a protagonist, huh?
Pretty sad that there is some truth in that - but it was not the context I meant it here - rather that it was the director of W3 that is running development of this title.
Edit - at least that's what I assumed those saying it meant, and didn't consider the misogynist possibility, but do remember some people ranting because female protagonist, along with some kick back as Zarddin mentions. Me - I'm more hyped for W4 than this - but will keep a close eye on this one too - looks interesting!
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I think most of us are creating our own hype based on the fact that there are members (and the director of W3) involved. We've only seen a cinematic trailer for W4 (as far as I'm aware), and the hype is real. Could all fall flat on this title when we know more, however!
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Where is the gameplay exactly? This trailer is mostly a CGI movie, probably made by a specialized team that has nothing to do with the creation of the game itself. Aside from the movie, there’s barely 20 seconds of short animations taken from the game, and they show almost nothing of the actual gameplay. From what I’ve seen, it’s not even clear what type of game this is - it might even have the same gameplay as Assassin’s Creed at this point.
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I'm not saying this against you, I know this title comes from them. And the fact that it's misleading and that the little part of gameplay in this trailer doesn't actually show anything relevant is a bad omen in my opinion. I think everyone should avoid getting hyped for this game until some real gameplay is shown.
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I dont do drugs.
I mean, i try.
I smoke and im addicted to caffeine, technically drugs but dont really count.
Been some years since i touched pot. I barely drink nowadays.
Everything else ive always refused to touch. I refused to even give then the chance, and if i did i wouldve been doing whateer i could to stop.
But Hype?
Oh boy, oh yes, now THATs the stuff i cant go without.
I was already all itchy and bad from abstinence, took only one hit for it all to come back
Yes yes, this is it
Wait, is that only IT? Ive watched 6 times already, youre telling there isnt more?
I NEED MORE. MORE, ASAP
HEEEEELP
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Gameplay footage without showing me the ui elements? They also look like moments where you're stuck in animation where you're not actually doing anything, like the first one is literally an animation of sitting on a building and the camera looking over a town and the your eyes glowing white(what kinda gameplay footage is that), sliding down a building with a screen shake mechanic(big deal lmao), the beginning of a fight(animation where the boss parries you and you get to engage after), and some sort of in combat teleportation animation that's likely automatic(kinda like the fightning in batman games, otherwise not even sure what the point of showing it is if this is a prerendered cinematic) and the last shot which is clearly an in game camera animation where you got no control of the char, once again, and the shot itself is lackluster, the cloth mechanics on those rags is missing, the scenery looks good but basic and it's hard to see what you're even looking at other than a bunch of rocks. Adding some color wouldn't be bad.
Visually the cgi trailer looks good, but the witcher style is there, so I hope they don't just copy the fighting style, I hope he has some new ideas on his own. Still alpha footage, we'll see where it goes. More importantly it comes from a guy that got kicked from CDPR for being a bully, so I think that puts in question the treatment of his employees.
TLDR: The "& gameplay teaser" was bait, should've been called "& gameplay cinematic".
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comes from a guy that got kicked from CDPR for being a bully, so I think that puts in question the treatment of his employees.
Not defending the guy, and certainly am cautious over the allegations, however technically he was found not guilty in the investigation, but resigned anyway. As they say though - no smoke without fire.
"Tomaszkiewicz wrote in an email to CD Projekt Red's staff that despite being cleared, "a lot of people are feeling fear, stress, or discomfort when working with me." He left with an apology "for all the bad blood" he caused, and said he planned to work to change his behavior."
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however technically he was found not guilty in the investigation, but resigned anyway
I can imagine staying with the studio would have been awkward at that point. Doesn't mean he was not guilty or guilty. Just an observation about the workplace situation after such an investigation takes place.
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Yeah, that "kicked for being a bully" line bothered me. A funny way to describe him resigning after an investigation found him not guilty.
The guy could be a jerk, IDK. I assume that he can't be too monstrous, given the fact that 24 other CDPR staff members left to join him at his new studio.
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I actually had to stumble across that information. People love a good monster to chase with torches and pitchforks, so perhaps that's why the journalists didn't focus much on the 25 person exodus. You hear something like that, and it makes you think that maybe this guy isn't so bad after all.
"After starting Rebel Wolves, several CDPR staff (around 24, claims Bloomberg) joined. One of those hires was brother Mateusz Tomaszkiewicz, who stood by Konrad during those initial allegations."
I would link the Bloomberg article, but it's for paying subscribers only.
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The trailer itself was meh...but I like the narrative choice of being an outlier or a group of monstrous humanoid outliers, unapologetically taking charge of dealing with a corrupt society. I wonder what other games have this premise. Probably many.
The Alpha footage looks promising. I can give this team a chance, wont dismiss their work without exploring.
Also thanks for adding context about the bullying accusations.
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I will be watching this closely. Although nothing about the gameplay has been revealed yet, the themes and atmosphere are right up my alley. That's two games I'm watching, this and the new Witcher game. I only actively watch about one or two games every few years, and having two at once is very rare for me.
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The Blood of Dawnwalker:
A game by Konrad Tomaszkiewicz, a director of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and head of production for Cyberpunk 2077. (He is not without controversy however: He left his position at CD Projekt in May 2021 following an investigation into workplace bullying allegations.)
wiki:
The Blood of Dawnwalker is an upcoming action role-playing game developed by Rebel Wolves and published by Bandai Namco Entertainment Europe. It is set in medieval Europe. The game was announced in January 2024. It is scheduled to release for PlayStation 5, Windows, and Xbox Series X/S.
The trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkICrJEVTjI
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