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Some people don't seem to know what fascism is So here is a link to wiki so you can read about it.. This is why fascism is so bad and needs to be defeated everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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Anti-fascist bumping in progress. :3

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I don't hate them - I pity them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

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We call everyone fascists here in Russia, with whom we disagree in politics. And where are you from?
Looks like that will be new world's fashion in 21 century.

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i've heard that the russian government is very repressive toward right-wing movement, one might even end up in jail. is it true?

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Well, they very repressive against everyone, who doesn't like government publicly. Don't like Putin - fascist. Like US or Europe - fashist. Don't support government, Putin and Russia - go to jail, fascist scum!

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yeah so i've heard. funny thing is that half of the westerns sees russia as the last bulwark of the white race (lol), the other half is all about putin = mussolini (which is quite wrong afaik). seems that we westerns really care for our worldwide recognized reputation of cucks ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Fascists are as useless as assholes on elbows.

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I guess it will be a cost efficient research as one only needs a microscope, gloves and laundry pins. :3

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Not enough to dox them or anyone whose opinions/speech is more than questionable as long
they haven't committed an actual crime. Such as bashing someones head in with a bike-lock ...

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plenty of shilling and 0 arguments so far.

will wait for a valid point.

note: "muh fascism is bad" isn't one

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Wait what? What arguments are needed here? I get that the majority of this thread is going along with the name, but as long as no one takes it overboard then what does anyone need to argue about? (Unless you think some form of fascism has a place in the world? I'd hope not...) I understand not liking it when you see politics/drama be mixed up with hobbies, or just talked about anywhere & everywhere. It gets tiring. But I don't think discussion is warranted as of right now. (Because, well, it is bad. Not much more to say about it really...)

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Because few if any people here have experienced real fascism. What they are circle-jerking around is the application of the term to any modern political ideology (usually conservative ones) they don't like.

Ironically, self-proclaimed "Anti-Faschists" often have as many or more Faschist-like tendencies than those they are hating.

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being anti-fascist (or anti-anything) implies being capable of moving constructive criticism towards what is a political doctrine with its own principles, its foundations, and how their application impacts on the social and civil life of a country. saying it is bad because, well.. it is (flawless logic) makes of you a poser, not different from those liberals shouting it in the face of people whom they are in disagree with without even understanding what implies being so.

(Unless you think some form of fascism has a place in the world? I'd hope not...)

oy, talking about archaic fascism that would make me a very deluded person for sure. mussolinian fascism is dead. dead and buried with the man who created it. it was born with his rise to power and died with the betrayal of pietro badoglio and the king. bothering a ghost while whining a 70 and more y.o old slogans makes no sense at the current stage of our civilization.

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i already had my unlucky encounters with the fauna inhabiting sg. i'll be dead befor asking most of you people an history lesson.no im not asking to be educated in the history of my country, thank you. i'm asking for a more articulate and precise criticism of ideological fascism that is not a stock-phare as that does not imply any understanding of the matter. is that simple.

it seems that you are trying to move the judgment of the subject from an ideological to an historical perspective? as it is easy to imagine where we are heading so it would be better to clarify some things. the racial laws though, introduced in the 38, had a minimal impact on the lives of italian sews. those that were arrested were imprisoned as subversive and destabilizing elements, and not as jews. plus other thing concerning civil and social right (private owning, jobs in the public sector). the deportations to germany began in late 43, in full RSI era, when italy was a natsoc german puppet state, and mussolini a powerless toy in the hands of hitler. fascism was, de facto, already dead. (an still is ffs). the racial laws were a forced diplomatic act italy could not refuse to undergo as it was heavily dependent to germany, specially for the military and industry sector. ideologically speaking, there is no racialism in fascism. your race, so to speak, is the state.

given that we are talking about ideological fascism (here in its primitive form), here is its intents, written black on white. the manifesto dei fasci italiani da combattimento (written in italian, look up for a translation). what point of it you don't approve?

unrelated (it was redacted in the post-fascism rsi era), but still here is also the carta di verona, which lists the political plans of the rsi. still in italian, was not able to find and english translation. do it yourself (although i'm sure you already know what it says since you are anti-fascist and you know what it reject). so, what point of it you don't approve?

since you have attributed to yourself the right to define me uneducated it is not wrong to take for granted that you are in the position to do so, which makes you educated™ (plus anti-fascist™). so now its on you. state your point.

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nah, only from people bragging about matters they don't understand.

and yet another idiotic poser arise from this shithole of a thread, bravo!

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Thanks for the thread. Anti-fascist bump!

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Down with Fascism but also Antifa is a horrible violent group in the US. Remember not everyone you disagree with is a fascist.

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well fascism is the worst. don't know about Antifa, but their name is anti-fascism, so they are way better than fascists based on name alone.
yes, I agree with you. people should not call someone fascist just because they don't agree with them.
my post is referring to people that call themselves fascist and believe in fascist ideals.

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you just pretty much said that one hate group is better because they hate another hate group

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wrong, read it again. but hating fascism is totally fine.

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but their name is anti-fascism, so they are way better than fascists based on name alone.

but why on earth am i even

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what about communism?
it's on the rise in usa right now

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lol, fascism is on the rise in the US. there is no rise of communism in US. where did you hear this?

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AntiFA is a Communist group. Their name is taken from the actual Communist group that the Germans swiftly defeated before WW2. They were basically two sides of the same coin.

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Read antifa is a socialist and anarchist group, not communist. Doesn't matter where they got their name. I don't agree with violence on either side.

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/18/antifa-protester-yvette-felarca-says-violence-against-the-far-right-is-not-a-crime/

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you
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dailycaller is a right wing propaganda site.

So I guess you would think the U.S. and Allies should have not defeated Nazi Germany and Hilter?

Also, if you defend yourself against an attacker with violence, that is called self-defense, and of course not a crime.
No one should commit violence against anyone that is not being violent!

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never heard of that group. did you read the article? the article was completely reasonable and sound. and no communist statements in it.

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some people here are amazing, this thread feels like a "down with racism" one where they would post to defend white supremacists. *facepalm*

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Down with potatoes!

(but baked potatoes are okay)

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If people haven't been interested in getting to know what fascism is, then here it is.
It's a totalitarian state with a single ruler, in almost all cases a dictator. Fascism aims for one opinion and a lot of censorship.

Sad to see how people support it and it's even more sad to see groups that are sometimes more fascist than the people they call fascist.
Anyways, screw fascism.

Thanks for the train :)

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what if i ask you to describe a modern day fascism dictatorship, as realistic as possibile, and considering the current political scenario. how would you imagine it? where is in your opinion the risk of a fascism dictatorship?

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Russia.
Putin's probably the best example currently. Runs the whole country himself, doesn't really have actual elections with realistic results.
He also supports one certain ideology, censors all of the others and he's also notoriously aggressive. Georgia, Middle East, Ukraine, all are good examples of unnecessary aggression from them.

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And Put'in is calling other nations fascists...while he is biggest fascist in the world curently.

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predictable. afaik, in russia there are elections as there are in any other western country. the russian military intervention in georgia was highly justified, in ukraine it was necessary. look elsewhere, look for different schemes than the old and dead one.

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in russia there are elections as there are in any other western country

that's so cute...and really really sad

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Are you serious? .... one more brainwashed moron.

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take your nickname as an example to follow.

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Yes. In most other countries you get 146% turnouts (2011) and in separate cases 12 million extra votes for the winning party (2016).
I can't say about Georgia, I'm not knowledgeable enough to chip in anything more detailed. I trust that you are.
As to Ukraine, falsifying votes and sending in a military while lying about it isn't anything remotely justified.

"look elsewhere, look for different schemes than the old and dead one." - I don't get it. Russia isn't an old example... How is a less-than 30-year-old system old? Different schemes? Fascism is fascism. But, sure, Venezuela. They do the same things. What a surprise.

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Yes. In most other countries you get 146% turnouts (2011) and in separate cases 12 million extra votes for the winning party (2016).

have any valuable source for it? wikipedia and huffingtonpost does not count still unrelated for the russia-is-fascist-or-not question

I can't say about Georgia, I'm not knowledgeable enough to chip in anything more detailed. I trust that you are.

  • russian military in loco as peace-maker forces under UN request
  • military convoy attacked by georgian forces
  • a couple of dozen of dead among russian military
  • russian civillian (an ethnic minority in south ossethia) among general casualties (mostly in rural areas)
  • the bear gets angry

pretty much this. having your people in danger in an international conflict entitles you to intervene (of course you can argue that the russian did not respected the cease-fire agreement, as a portion of the military forces were left there for geopolitical purpose. still, this does not make the militar intervention illicit).

As to Ukraine, falsifying votes

again, sources.

sending in a military while lying about it isn't anything remotely justified.

wth. military forces (and weapons) WERE sent there and they never lied about it. the reason was (on paper) the same as above, protecting ethnic russian in ukraine, the largest ethnic minority in the country, in danger after the new nato/eu-sponsored ukrainian puppet goverment started sending its own military corps (along with neo-nazi fucktards) to silence every form of dissent toward the recent coup d'etat (eg. the odessa massacre, the worst one. look it up on bestgore.com if your guts are strong enough). for international right, russia was entitled to intervene. same as above, could be a pretext to ensure their interest in this very precious region (the russian-europe pipeline goes from there). still, it was legit.

I don't get it. Russia isn't an old example... How is a less-than 30-year-old system old?

russia is not fascist, jeez. is russia authoritarian? you could say that. is it nationalist? so-so, as they like to put them in jail. is it corporatist?... is it?

Different schemes? Fascism is fascism.

fascism in its original form can't come back at the current stage of our civilization. for having a remote chance for it to come back there must be the same "fertile ground" there was back in those years: a world war (or in general, a very disastrous scenario.
there are (theorically) way more chance for it to come back under a different form in a libertarian system. you won't have people living for the state and the state living for the people tho. you will have people living for a plutocratic oligarchy, and a plutocratic oligarchy living for itself. this is what you should be afraid off, not a fucking ghost and nor vladimir "good goy" putin.

Venezuela.

the cherry on the cake. what are you even mumbling about. venezuela is socialist, and fascism is not socialism. furthermore, what is happening in venezuela resembles the syrian war in its early stage (needless to say, backgrounds are different).

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How is the fake votes not an indicator for fascism? You barge in, yell random things and in the meanwhile don't know what fascism is. If my description isn't enough then read the damn definition before you start waving your arms around, crying foul.

Well, lovely to see that you know one side of the conflict. I trusted that you knew about the conflict, you don't. My bad. Shouldn't have trusted you. I mean, knowing 50% is better than my 0%, but knowing anything less than 90%, meaning that you know the full story with maybe a few minor blanks, means that maybe you should figure out more before doing more than presenting one side of the story.

"again, sources. " - What? You've got to be kidding me. You come claiming stuff with no proof and I'm the one that needs to present it? Practice what you preach...

They actually did lie. They said that they hadn't sent any forces at first. They even covered up license plates, claiming that literally all of those soldiers were rebels. That's why there was speculation between either military intervention or just funding from Russia.

"russia is not fascist, jeez. is russia authoritarian? you could say that. is it nationalist? so-so, as they like to put them in jail. is it corporatist?... is it? " - According to the definition it is. Single ruler, censorship, one accepted opinion. There are so many examples of it. Take Pussy Riot as a prime example. Not to mention the hundreds that have been incarcerated for protesting. Or do you want to take uncle Vlad's word that they're all enemies of the state and that they're actually violent?
But please, you're the one that advocates for proof and explanations.. do it. Give me reasons why they're not fascist. I've given you reasons why they are.

Oh, terms don't evolve with the time. Okay. My bad. I thought that language evolved, accommodating to the changes in history. A vehicle didn't use to account for motor vehicles, yet now it does. I guess that's just a fluke though.
Let's just make up a new term then. It'll mean the same, it'll include all of the same people/nations, but for some reason that's so important to you.

But then... I understood. I'm not talking to a person here. I'm either talking to someone argumentative, meaning that you don't have to believe in what you write, instead you thrive on confict. In that case, it's fine. People are different.
Or... instead I'm talking to an ideology here. In which case... why even bother. You give statements that the leaders of your ideology have given and you defend those people yourself, not always using logic, but instead falling into semantics. In that case, I'm sorry. I've been in that situation. Staying rigid with your convictions is fine, but taking someone else's beliefs with only giving it a slip of a thought is... well, sad. Propagating someone else's ideals.

Good chat. This won't lead anywhere. No matter what I say, what arguments I bring, I can already predict what you'll say, so let's save us both the trouble :D

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How is the fake votes not an indicator for fascism? You barge in, yell random things and in the meanwhile don't know what fascism is. If my description isn't enough then read the damn definition before you start waving your arms around, crying foul.

the pot calling the kettle black. there have been cases of electoral fraud even here in italy. recent cases and related to this decade, not 70 years ago during the era of fascism. http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2012/11/22/catanzaro-brogli-elettorali-tar-manda-a-casa-sindaco-e-giunta-pdl/422960/, http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/spettro-brogli-sulle-primarie-voto-sospeso-seggio-1391521.html

does it make modern days italy fascist? Does it make the political parties involved (including the democratic party) fascist? only this foolish and nonsensical assumption of yours speaks by itself. you are a poser.

Well, lovely to see that you know one side of the conflict. I trusted that you knew about the conflict, you don't. My bad. Shouldn't have trusted you. I mean, knowing 50% is better than my 0%, but knowing anything less than 90%, meaning that you know the full story with maybe a few minor blanks, means that maybe you should figure out more before doing more than presenting one side of the story.

the fallacy of your logic leaves me speechless. by grace, how do you know that this is half of the story considering that (by your own admission) you know nothing about it? and still based on that, why put "georgian aggression" in your personal list that makes russia fascist?

https://www.rferl.org/a/What_Could_Replace_Russian_Peacekeepers_In_Breakaway_Regions/1192520.html

"again, sources. " - What? You've got to be kidding me. You come claiming stuff with no proof and I'm the one that needs to present it? Practice what you preach...

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You come claiming stuff with no proof

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Putin's probably the best example currently. Runs the whole country himself, doesn't really have actual elections with realistic results.
He also supports one certain ideology, censors all of the others and he's also notoriously aggressive. Georgia, Middle East, Ukraine, all are good examples of unnecessary aggression from them.

dude.

They actually did lie. They said that they hadn't sent any forces at first. They even covered up license plates, claiming that literally all of those soldiers were rebels. That's why there was speculation between either military intervention or just funding from Russia.

wew now i can tell how much of this story you know. you are basically repeating like a parrot everything you have heard from cnn. the deployment of russian forces was approved by the russian parliament, the news was known ever since. as you are basically trying to find any possible excuse to bring water to your mill its better to be clear:

lying does not make you a fascist.

Single ruler, censorship, one accepted opinion.

if you ask an anti-communists with no clue about what communism actually is, they will tell you the same exact thing.

Pussy Riot

LOL. i'm even surprised that the myth of the poor and oppressed revolutionary russian woman who fight for muh democracy is even still up. the pussy riot are a bunch of degenerate exhibitionist feminist whores who claim to be politically persecuted and jailed for their political activity while yelling and braying with their boobs out in the streets, pissing in churces and covering with their shit and their period sacred and public effigy. they often are charged for acts of blasphemy, obscene act in public places, disturb of public peace and social disorder. but nevermind this stuff, keep on watching cnn.

Give me reasons why they're not fascist.

russia is not fascist. the reason for it lies in the ideology itself. fascism is, first of all, a socio-economic political doctrine centered fascist corporatism, thus a society based on social groups aiming to make the concept of class struggle outmoded (communists often are critics towards this point, still, that's what it claims to do) by having workers and employers actively participating in the economy of a country and in every sector that compels it, with one social group for everyone of it. the state has the role of supreme guarantor (qt. from mussolini - everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state), and in union with all social groups, the economy and production are structured according to the needs of the community. to keep in mind that corporativism does not come from the word corporation but from CORPUS, meaning body in latin. needless to say fascism is not libertarianist as it is not socialist, it stands in the middle. hence why is often called "the third way". authoritarian centrism to the core.

this is fascism. hoping to having expressed to concept well enough for you to be now acknowledged, is russia fascist?

Oh, terms don't evolve with the time. Okay. My bad. I thought that language evolved, accommodating to the changes in history. A vehicle didn't use to account for motor vehicles, yet now it does. I guess that's just a fluke though.
Let's just make up a new term then. It'll mean the same, it'll include all of the same people/nations, but for some reason that's so important to you.

of course leanguage evolves, ideologies on the other hand does not. if anything they can develop into alternative doctrines if they start from a pre existing ideology. the way i see it, for russia it is legit to talk about authoritarianism only, with a tiny spike of nationalism.

But then... I understood. I'm not talking to a person here. I'm either talking to someone argumentative, meaning that you don't have to believe in what you write, instead you thrive on confict. In that case, it's fine. People are different.
Or... instead I'm talking to an ideology here. In which case... why even bother. You give statements that the leaders of your ideology have given and you defend those people yourself, not always using logic, but instead falling into semantics. In that case, I'm sorry. I've been in that situation. Staying rigid with your convictions is fine, but taking someone else's beliefs with only giving it a slip of a thought is... well, sad. Propagating someone else's ideal

the hell is the point of all this ridiculous mental gymnastic? looks like a bunch of nonsensical pretestuous assumption in a (vain) attempt to look edgy. get real ffs.

This won't lead anywhere.

my feeling too tbh, damn people talking about thing they don't know shit about. would really like to bid you farewell for good but that answer would be very appreciated.

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call random people uneducated

can't tell the difference between socialism and fascism

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Thank you.
My small Motherland struggles against ukrainian fascism.

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:DD you fcking brainwashed zombie. Your fcking country invaded ukraine and now they fight against your military pretending to be "rebels". Russian stupidity is never ending

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Care about yourself, and we can care about ourselves. I'm not a Russian. My country was a part of ukraine. Fortunately, we gained independence in struggle. I know delights of war, my house is self-destroyed by ukrainian nazi. Hope you will experience this on yourself too, maybe then you'll change your mind.

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You don't consider yourself a Russian, yet want to be owned by Russia. You claim independence while in reality being under Russia's occupation.
Interesting.

I'm sorry about your home though.

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