Pretty much the only way this ever gets enforced is if it was on a private GA or part of a group that is explicitly about it. For public giveaways, whatever gets written in the description means jackshit.
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You can choose if you want let them remove it ....
I done this all times with ONE exception.
All times because they looked as they normal deliver for what they start a GA and a Region lock can come around and such stuff. Sometimes it was frustrating but i think none of them tried to "cheat/exploit".
The one exception was one that don't deliver, i must running behind him because of everthing. He telled me, first after i questioned him, from were the key was (Fanatical). Then wrote Fanaticals Support, first after i pleased him to do that because they normaly react in a good way. After i questioned him after a week (he don't wrote me at any time from his side first...) he telled me they can't revoke the old (used) key and give a new one. Very demotivated written and i don't trusted his words (belly/stomach feeling). I pleased him to copy me the mailtext. Never got a response on that and on 2 other writings. After that i marked as not recieved and put that on on my BL + checked him with sgtools on Multiwins and not Activated (both no hits but he had not much wins/sent so the chances were low from the start/begin).
That was my only bad experience ...
... and i decide, in the future too, from win to win if i demand the win or allow a remove. Mostly based on there behavior and there statistics.
And that depends not from a text as the above example or not.
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And this is why! I don't wanna use my old keys, cause some people just not in their mind!
I rather dump it into friends or folks outside.
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Orphan Keys a Good Thing BUT ya Get Ninjas & Bots.
Just ask do u want this game Contact me .
I put up 2 Games But set Rules You Have to have given 5 Games Away in November. To stop Grabers Not Givers! 😊 👍
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Well. Ninja Retreat is a friendly group where you can share your dubious keys. You have three "strikes" for failed / not working keys, and the winner must accept deletion or be kicked out the group.
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Reading a lot of these makes me not want to give stuff anymore.
If I buy a game on sale for $5 and give it away and the key is bad now the game is $35. I will not buy a new key, you can just ban me. Soon there will be nobody left to give free stuff.
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A few undelivered games is fine but when it becomes a habit and it can clearly be seen that a person has no intention of delivering, it becomes a problem and will eventually result in a ban. A normal well meaning user has no fear of ever being banned from the site unless they constantly buy their keys from shady sites or something.
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I was going to ask you if there is a setting in SGTools that checks the number of NR in your record but instead I saw you're 4months old. I am 1 month old but you've given out so much more than I do. Thank you for the generosity! <3 Cheerios~ :D
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Why do you think not complying with the giveaway creator is ridiculous when I could say the same for the giveaway creator who made a giveaway for a key that he or she already knows that may not work, yet continued to do so?
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a key that he or she already knows that may not work
All keys may not work. By your logic, no GAs should ever be created.
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Faulty keys can be replaced if they're bought from reputable key sellers because they live or die on buyers' trust.
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HB is reputable key seller... but they will refuse to replace any key if they will find out that you use steamgifts.
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Yes, the situation that involves devs revoking keys is quite hellish and I hope a future rule on this website will clarify that the giveaway creator has no responsibility to provide a substitute key after the giveaway is a success. The reasoning behind for the key recall - from suspicious motives of the developer(s) or justifiable causes (e.g. revoking keys sold on gray market sites) - cannot affect the suggestion that giveaway creators are not responsible.
Although not stated in the FAQ or Guidelines, too many times the giveaway creator is unable to provide keys for the winner, then the result is punishment that leads to permanent suspension (seems the closest argument is the excessiveness of fake giveaways). That's my issue with your choice to rather have a winner choose not received on your giveaways than give a working game key - there is a sense of absolutism; a lack of give and take.
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The flipside of this argument is the one time I have given a duplicate key out I did not ask to delete it, I went out of my way to purchase a new key at full value to give to the winner to make sure they didn't miss out.
If in doubt, don't create a giveaway, make that key go to a good home in a different fashion.
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I understand where you are coming from and frankly while I would be disappointed at a non working key I wouldn't hold it over someones head, I'd be more than willing to delete the giveaway. But (yes there is always a but) in a large amount of cases I have seen on this website people aren't asking, they are telling you, if the key doesn't work you have to agree to delete. In some cases they are much ruder about it, in which case I think I would tell them to go swing.
Courtesy doesn't have a cost, but then nor does politeness in general. I'd still personally handle the keys I was unsure about in a different way though, much less hassle and the only reason to make a giveaway with a dubious key is because you crave cv which is probably the wrong reason to be giving a game away anyway.
Just my thoughts.
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Usually being polite is required of the one who is getting a free gift for doing nothing, not the one who gives them. Some people might not be very good in English for example and they have no idea that they appear rude or demanding. And who cares about stupid BS like that to begin with? Getting triggered by blunt language means you're the one who has a problem, not anyone else. Then you can get ANGRY ON the giveaway and make couple threads to show how not angry you are. :P
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You completely missed the point with your rant. Basic courtesy and politeness should be a requirement of everybody, no matter the circumstances. I also find it very hard to believe that even the most basic speaker of English doesn't understand the word please.
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My rant? How about your rants of pushing your own social norms on others? People could just do their things without all this emotional baggage attached and everyone would be much happier. "Oh no, someone didn't say please when they gave me something for free, they are a bad person" or what?
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https://steamcommunity.com/groups/NinjaRetreat
Ninja retreat group may be the group you're looking for!
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You can give games that aren't free as well. When the group was originally made it was for free games but I have made giveaways for non free games also. Its just an option for you.
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Just checked and the recruitment thread is closed. People are still making giveaways in the group but I don't think Yirg is recruiting for now.
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then don't do a giveaway, make a post and choice by your finger the winner, if the key don't work = bad luck, at least the particfipant don't lose points and don't miss up his steamgifts stats and can continue winning games.
edit: another thing is if you only giveaway for win points... then yes... you are in a bad position.
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yeah CV jeje however you shouldn't put the keys in a post... there's a lot of ninja bots... they don't even say thanks never.... better choice yourself to who give them.
or a "ninja" will came and use them all for him and dissapear the same way he/she came without even say thanks.
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There is also a thread on here dedicated to posting these kind of keys
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/hK2kQ/orphan-keys-drop-thread-reboot
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+1. Creating drama around a few invalid keys, and GAs in general, can only make gifters less motivated. It's not as if the points we "pay" to enter GAs were real money...
The only 2 not received I gave were to GA creators who just remained silent, so giving NR was my only option. Otherwise I do my best to work things out, including that one guy who had created a GA for a wrong Awesomenauts DLC and who took like a week to finally delete the GA because he first insisted it was the right one...
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So according to some people it's better let keys rot unused or just trade them for profit instead of giving them away here, interesting views on a site dedicated to gifting games. And I mean the ones who say it's better to drop 10k keys to Russian cardfarmers to steal with bots than to use the SG system.
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No one can force you to delete the giveaway, you can agree to it, or even to it for friendliness or whatever, but if you don't get a working code, you are allowed to make the giveaway not received, at worst you get blacklisted by the giveaways creator, but who cares.
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You are also allowed to make a shrine with pictures of their username and profile everywhere on the walls. You know, your blood spread around the floor, red candles, a black robe, chanting the username with a creepy voice, drawing pentagrams on the floors etc. the whole deal. That doesn't mean you should do it. There's the healthy decent way to behave and then the more brusque attitude which generally won't make your life any better or easier.
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Yeah I can't imagine in any situation ever to not agree with deletion. Seems like common decency to me. Anyway, if I'm not sure whether a key works I just put it in https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/hK2kQ/orphan-keys-drop-thread-reboot
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The rule is that if you enter a giveaway and if you win it, you have the right to get the game. If the game is not provided by any means to you, you can mark it as non received.
This said, whenever I read those descriptions AND EVEN when I DO NOT read them, I 100% and all the times agree to delete the giveaway if the creator has provided a dupe key or similar things.
This is my approach to a website that's created for fun and gifts, not for spending your entire life in or to become angry, prickly or even upset.
All of this said, if it happens that I make a giveaway and the key is dupe due to 1- seller problems (dupe otaku keys etc) or 2- selected the wrong game since there are 30 games with the same title, I always try to find a solution and I fortunally never had to delete a single giveaway of mine so far.
I'm perfectly fine by this, I want to stay here and have fun without creating any kind of problems.. while it seems that there are people who base their life on computers and games and a single not working key may affect their life.. it's unhealthy.
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Personally, when it happens to me, I just agree to deleting the GA, even though when I made ~8 GAs with invalid keys I went out and got new, valid keys to the winners . Crap happens. If the key if invalid, there's no benefit to anyone.
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Man, one time I actually tried cooperating with one of the people who had this kind of thing in their giveaway description after the key they gave me didn't work. Don't think the giveaway ever got deleted or anything, but they did put me on their blacklist for whatever reason.
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Stop making giveaways with questionable keys. Problem solved and it saves extra work for support.
I've had to suck it up and go buy new keys myself more than once, because there's a measure of accountability that must be met by both winners and giveaway creators to keep this site functioning.
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I don't see an issue with requesting that if there's an issue if the winner wouldn't mind deleting the giveaway. The issue I see a lot is that it's presented as it's mandatory and the winner has to do it and that's the not case. The winner can request a new key and if they can get on they have the option to mark the giveaway as not received. I know most people are aware of this but some aren't and there's times where I see the winner feels like they have no options.
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I can understand the blacklist part. What do you mean by getting disabled? Like a suspension?
I don't see any rules stating that too many "Not Received" will get you suspended anywhere. Unless what you mean is by exhausting all available GA slots and they can no longer create any new GA anymore?
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Notice the "maybe" part and if you really wish to test the limits, start making 1000 copy GAs for most popular games and after they finish say you were just trolling and see what happens. Or even better, have a friend make a fresh account and ask support to get that many slots first. My bet is on a suspension, maybe even permanent, but you are free to bet against me and even prove me wrong. :)
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both will leave you with -1 slot. the difference is deleting a ga permanently removes it, while having an unsent gift means the slot in use till you free it.
you might get suspended for having too many unsent gifts. i'm not 100% sure but i think it falls under the "fake giveaway" rule.
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/fepAEZD
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They worked fine years ago when I bought them, they worked fine a year ago when I gave 50 copies, so how should I know the dev loves to do that to his keys now? But neither can I have any sure knowledge of them working or not before someone tries them on their Steam account.
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But Jim's talking about suspect keys here - keys you know there's a good chance could be bad.
Why bother making the giveaways, disappointing your winners and hassling them to let you delete the giveaways, then hassling support to get 100 giveaways deleted? There are many ways to give away suspicious keys without causing anyone any hassle imho.
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There are many dupes in the keys after years, I still don't have any way to know which have gone bad and which are still good. For some games it might be 60/100 first are bad, then I replace the 60 with 120 new ones until I find all good ones. For some games 100/100 might be bad and also every replacement I try.
Why bother making giveaways, nice question on a site like this. Yes why bother when I could just trade them or let them rot. Or the best solution everyone keeps suggesting, put 10k keys on the forum so that only 1 bot farmer gets them. Winners agree to the hassle because they might want to take part in more giveaways like that and win several games more than just the 1. And it's not that much hassle for support to delete 1 giveaway.
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Why bother making giveaways, nice question on a site like this.
You're twisting my meaning now and taking it completely out of context. Let's not play that game.
But yes, why would you knowingly make giveaways that could disappoint and hassle people? And no one said you had to trade them or let them rot - that's all you. I clearly stated there are other ways to give them away without causing anyone any hassle.
And it's not that much hassle for support to delete 1 giveaway.
Until 100's of people are doing it.
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Why would I knowingly make giveaways that in most cases will make people happy about their +1 but could also disappoint and hassle people in some cases, yes that is still the question. Maybe it has something to do with wanting to give them away, dunno.
You haven't clearly stated what those ways are, particularly the ones that make any sense. Dropping them on a forum has already been ruled out, so what are the others?
I'd like to see 100s of people giving out 1000s of keys and someone complain if some portion of them are not working.
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Again, we're talking about keys you know could be bad. Jims clearly stated that, and I reiterated it. I really don't have time for this game of word-tag.
so what are the others?
A thread and random.org, dropping them in your other giveaways, giving them to friends, etc. You know, things people already do here on-site.
And you're talking about a specific set of circumstances - someone giving away numerous copies of the same game. What about people giving away 300+ different games and every key is bad? What about 1000's of people giving away 1000's of different games and most of the keys are bad?
You allow this sort of thing unchecked, and you're creating all sorts of additional work for support and degrading the integrity of the site. It's a huge, messy can of worms. People should be reasonably certain a key they're giving away is good before creating the giveaway.
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And I have told you again and again that I fully know some of them might be bad, purely based on previous experience with huge amounts of keys.
So you're suggesting huge amounts of hassle for everyone, especially me doing manually what SG does automatically? Dropping 10k keys anywhere is still not a real answer. Neither is suggesting huge hassle to find 100 new friends who don't already own the game or picking them one by one from some random generator.
I'm talking about the very specific circumstances that are happening in reality, you're wondering about if this or that might happen, but very likely will not. You're also talking about cases where the keys are known to most likely to be bad, not cases where they just might be with bad luck.
How is it going unchecked? Last I checked there are clear rules for it and support has noted that people will get punished if they do it too much. So you're still suggesting I shouldn't give away any games unless I'm 100% sure that every key from years back is still good. Many people seem to disagree with this anti-giveaway mentality.
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You can buy all my winners the game from Steam if it bothers you that much. I'd much rather 99%+ of my winners are happy and don't get disappoint when they don't get 1 of the 10 games they won. They still get plenty of games. You can call me a dick for wanting to give away games all you want shrug.
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You're arguing apples and oranges. If 99+% of your winners get what they entered for, then you're likely not using suspect keys and this discussion doesn't really apply to you. It's looking like you've taken personal offense at Jims' opinion for whatever reason.
However, you should be prepared to replace a bad key (edit: or take a Not Received) and not simply excuse yourself with a disclaimer. Speaking personally, I'd certainly feel like a dick if I had to tell a winner "sorry, you're out of luck", no matter how many games I'd given away.
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I don't get offended, I just like correcting silly misconceptions that people say without thinking what it actually means. Still waiting for an actual suggestion on how to handle 10k keys in a non-hassle way.
I am well prepared to do that, but the winners also seem to be prepared to agree to deleting and win more later. So you can feel like a dick all you want, I will rather feel some kind of gratification about not wasting keys.
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No, I'm correcting the silly statements that there are good ways to handle them other than making giveaways. I'm not touching that social media pusher site with a stick, I want to give away games, not make people follow some pointless crap I don't even use.
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I don't do disclaimers and while I could afford, I simply don't want to reward devs who cause keys to not work after a while by buying more of their game. The ones who just resell same unused keys to make more profit, not the confused ones who revoke keys and then fix their mistake.
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So you only have issues with giving away <100% working keys if they have a disclaimer? Or even without one like you seem to imply? Maybe I shall start adding one just to annoy the people who keep saying it's a bad thing to give away lots of games so I can keep on getting my greedy 1 cent CV from them.
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Yes, they are silly as they are not binding in any way so I don't bother. But neither are they any kind of dick move so I have no problem entering giveaways with them even if they have no effect on me allowing to delete the giveaway. The only reason they don't affect my willingness to delete is that I would agree to it with or without one, otherwise they would make me slightly more willing.
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Yea I'm shaking my head at this as well as it's becoming more and more prevalent. The bottom line is if you don't know whether the key is good or not then maybe you should probably reconsider just where the hell you are buying from and either don't make the giveaway or just live with it being marked as not received if it doesn't work. That's the risk you take when you choose to acquire games from questionable sites or sources. It's against the rules to set such conditions for entry and frankly these people who try to pressure or coerce others into it are obnoxious.
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maybe you should probably reconsider just where the hell you are buying from
Thats Bullshit. I don't know how many keys I had where I was not sure, because it was in an old file, or when I changed Computers, etc. If you buy alot of bundles and are not perfectly strict in managing leftovers that happens alot.
It's against the rules to set such conditions
No, it's not. You can write in the giveaway description, whatever you want. The winner just has the right to ignore this.
these people who try to pressure or coerce others into it are obnoxious.
Jeha right, it's far better if the key just does not work and the guy is annoying you then, or if he does not want to give you the key "because you don't deserve it".
At least with this text you can decide for yourself if you put in points and put up with this shit, or not.
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Considering some places like Humble Bundle like to pull shit at times where they refuse to replace some keys under the assumption a person is a reseller... I fully accept that sometimes people are trying to do honest giveaways and get screwed over. I've had instances myself where keys I revealed for the first time didn't work and I had to fight with them for replacements. Though I've been lucky in my cases and got the keys, many get denied.
Edit: However, as a result of the risk in situations like I've described, I've actually significantly reduces how often I do giveaways now just because I don't like taking the chance and don't want someone giving me a hard time for something that isn't my mistake, therefor, I mostly just give away my keys in random drops around different sites now. The CV isn't worth the headache.
Edit 2: And I just realized this thread was necro'd, ugh...
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It was necroed several comments ago, so replying to the current part is fine. Also that's what some people seem to want, less giveaways because that somehow makes the site better with people only ever giving Steam gifts they can be 100% sure work.
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steamgifts should add a disclaimer on every giveaway because users will never be 100% sure if keys they buy will work! 😱
****WARNING****
Keys provided in giveaways might not work so you must let the giveaway creator delete it or you will be banned!
Remember creators are super generous on steamgifts so it's up to you to be nice to them!
This might sound like coercion but it's not. NO.
I repeat, this isn't the giveaway mafia trying to let creators get away with invalid keys!
come cg, cover for us here!
we want to be generous without responsibilities. if the key doesn't work, we can blame ign/ea/gabe and delete the giveaway <333
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I read this in a lot of giveaways. It feels like I am on ebay. I thought we have concretly guidelines here. "Yeah, I won a giveaway, fuck the key is invalid, but I am sure the giver gives me a new one?" "No, you agreed to delete the giveaway if the key is invalid. My lawyer said you have no chance because I wrote this under my giveaway" "fuck"
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