well, he's just trying to make some money. I think hardly anybody donates to him right now
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they get the money from the exposure. and it's obviously not targeted at people who already have adblock
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Has a Youtube Partner,of course I don't support Adblock.
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Well, I saw it. It seemed a bit weird, but what huntercopper said. He probably gets no donations.
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27000 out of 25000 sounds pretty good, but I don't know when the donation started...
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They are gonna advertise themself to promote AdBlock? So it will just replace other ads to inform users how to get rid of all ads.. I kinda like the idea but...
there's still point 2, yeah you're right (and I'm guilty of not disabling my adblock on several sites). Many decent websites cant survive without ads, just like SG i suppose :/
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And those that are like SG can remain whitelisted from me. Any website that uses intrusive advertising to support itself need not stay. If advertising were used responsibly then there would be no need for Adblock at all. Until then, no I do not wish to listen to your loud, flash driven, epileptic seizure inducing ads. Thank you
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Of course I would like to have an "add-free" internet, but this would really be the worst thing that can happen to many sites/youtubers/etc...so I don't support it.Still, I would like to don't have that annoying sound/popup add :P
EDIT:I never used AdBlock, so I'm not really sure if you can set it just for some sites or some ads...
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I'm strongly against any type of AdBlocker... Without Ads most free content you guys get, wouldn't be free.
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Some ads deserve to be blocked.
I'm of a mixed view. I run Flashblock because too many sites either abused or simply misused Flash over the years. It wasn't just ads, it was sites using multi-meg flash menus when I was on dial-up, or sites that embedded auto-playing video files (or multiple video files). Pop-up blocking is similar. Pop-ups are just too heavily abused.
Ads themselves, I'm okay with though. I understand why they are used, and they generally aren't obnoxious once you've weeded out the flash files and some of the pop ups. For that reason, I don't support blanket ad blocking.
Though some ads in videos are sometimes overly annoying. Like when I'm on a limited download speed, so I pick a low quality playback for a video, then the player plays a high resolution ad video that doesn't buffer? A "30 second ad" turns into a minute or more long stuttering mess. Or take how TwitchTV's player sometimes break its feed when it cuts to an ad. (I've also had ads themselves break while watching a TwitchTV stream, with the site getting stuck in an endless loop of ads, or an ad that never loads.)
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There is a Firefox add-on known as NoScript. I've used it for a few years now and, next to AdBlock Plus, it is pretty much standard in every installation of Firefox I do now (which is done after immediately uninstalling Internet Explorer).
Like yourself, I've also experienced Twitch's ad-hell; and their lack of bandwidth during high draw events and constant bickering over peering with ISPs does not help. If it comes down to it, I'll load up another browser instance and let Ads run in that one with the sound muted (it counts as an ad view).
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Oh god, don't get me started on this shit.
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"ARE YOU READY TO MEET HOT SEXY SINGLES IN [INSERT HORRIBLY RENDERED FEMALE COMPUTER VOICE WHICH SPITS OUT A TOWN BASED ON GEOLOCATION]? COME MEET HOT SINGLES JUST WAITING FOR YOU."
...I'm right there with you.
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Oh, we're not concerned about the companies putting out ads :P We're concerned about our beloved websites. The ad-makers themselves can go to Hell. (I'm joking, but seriously)
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Any more, on some sites, they over do the ads to the point in which you can hardly use the site, or it takes forever to load, no matter what connection you have. I have seen it, pre-adblock, where closing one page dropped my RAM usage 250 mb, most likely from ads. They make these video ads, and these expanding ads, which always bog things down, and get in the way, nothing like trying to click a link that is moving or is dropped beneath an expanding ad!!!
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I use Adblock beacuse some web pages are obnoxius. I add webpages like Steamgifts, google mail and such to exeptions. On Youtube i deactivate it when watching video from channels i follow so they can get the ADRevenue.
I understand what the ADBlock campaign is trying but at the same time i think it is a negative one, as said before, many Web pages and Youtube content creators make money with ADs which lets them make the content available for free.
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I'm ashamed that a bearer of the proud Luchadeer has that sort of attitude toward, apparently, all ads.
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Let the 7 in 10 keep their ads if they wish.
Let the 3 in 10 keep their AdBlock if they wish.
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Ad block is good to use on sites you don't like or trust. So its fair to use it and I would recommend getting it. Although i would never promote ABP to much, the internet runs on ads. If you like a site then you can turn it off.
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Adblock came about because people did not want to see the fart button or full flash movies downloading and auto-playing on the sides of a web page. It's never been about 'advertisements', but about the methodology of advertisers to interfere with a user's experience on the web.
Now of course the sites and advertisers need their money, and that's fine. But imagine walking into a large convenience store (wal mart or whatever you have in your countries) and suddenly people started taking pictures of you and following you around with a camera and microphone asking you questions and to sign up for their products. Maybe someone will pop out from the ground in front of you to throw another product at you and you have to push them out of the way. At what point can you say "this is going too far"? You wouldn't tolerate this from a store or people in real life. Why do you allow them to do it to you on your computer?
Google has solved most of those problems and advertisers can make acceptable ads. Adblock shouldn't be the mafia of ads. I'm just saying that until all of the advertisers 'get the message' that there's still an important place for it in every browser. There's a difference between a billboard on a highway and a paparazzi salesman planting a bug on you without your permission to see which other stores you go to and what products you buy. I understand the necessity of advertising, but not the defending of these types of business practices that happen millions of times a day.
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Since it's the 'real world' and I can't just install something for free to get rid of the problem, I'd likely go the lawsuit route and then go buy something off of Amazon with my damages money to cheer me up.
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Pretty much this. Most of the internet community has this awful feeling of entitlement and needing to have their cake and eat it, too. Things like "I really want to play this game, but I don't want to support the company, so I'll just pirate it," and things like "Even though I think this ToS is unfair, I'm going to accept it and bitch and whine when they do exactly what they say because I deserve to go on that site!"
If you don't like the ads, don't go to that site. Don't screw the owners out of money and still go on it.
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Implying that everyone won't support sites that they like, which isn't the case. It's like dove here saying that no one will deterred from pirating if a sufficient service is offered (aka Steam, GOG). Sure it will still happen, but bad practices come from poor business models and that should ideally reflect on the quality of the traffic they receive (ad blocked or un-blocked). In the case of Steam, I think we can say that it's working well. Sites/Services that respect the users won't make them want to block their revenue.
One thing you also forgot was 4. Communication. Would they ask users if such a way was fine? Would they remove/change an ad if users complained about it? Most of the time they don't care. cg has taken care of a few of those for me though. Another site just did not care no matter how often it was brought up. Too bad for them.
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I do use AdBlock for some sites but make sure to turn it off for others as I am aware that's their main source of income. Some "ads" are just obnoxious and deserve to be blocked, but I do not think there should be a campaign like this.
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This one is even more efficient.
But neither of them blocks ALL adservers (nor any other hosts file does). So it's actually a good idea to use an Adblocker.
Note: It's not recommended to use such a huge file on older PCs or a crappy HDD as it will slow the system down a lot.
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I actually don't use MVPS anymore myself; I use a program that downloads hosts files from a couple different locations, merges them, removes duplicate entries, and removes my exceptions. I run an update every 6 months or so. The website that don't get blocked by this, I don't mind seeing ads on (they're usually personal websites that don't use ad providers or small webcomics). What's more, it blocks ads in every browser I use (I have a large session in chrome, and when I don't want to open that I use IE) as well as blocking certain 'call home' programs that need to access the internet and other programs that display ads internally (like windows 8 apps, though I don't use them much).
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I use AdBlock except on sites I have allowed ads to show up from. Keeps malware ads away from the shiftier of sites I go to and still supports the sites I visit regularly.
Because that is a thing. You can turn it off for specific websites.
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I'm very anti-adblock. It's mostly because of the holier than thou attitude that most adblock users get when they install it. It's like as soon as they get it, they have to go around saying "Oh, you have ads? How quaint. I remember when I was new to the internet, too." It's even worse because they're literally taking money from website owners and not only do they think it makes them better people, they also think it's okay, especially if they use the old standby "Well, I have my favorite websites whitelisted, of course." What about those hundreds of sites you don't have whitelisted? They don't deserve money because your precious eyes can't stand a couple banners?
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I remember when opening a site would get you dozens of pop-ups and closing any one of them would open 2 more. Ah the good old days of the Internet. The trick was to close them before they had the time to load so they wouldn't run their closing script.
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That reminds me of when I was on PC Gamer and they were talking about Defiance. Someone mentioned that they had an ad for a Dodge Charger and how it related to the game and someone chimed in with, "you know about ad block right"? No one was complaining just pointing out the coincidence.
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Funny, you complain about users of adblock having an attitude then you come along and imply you are better then them because you dont use it.
GG.
Also, banner ads arnt the problem, its the huge flash ads that also lead to security risks.
ALSO, you say people using adblock are "literally taking money from website owners..." well, I dont know about what website you own, but ads only pay website owners if you click them, not only that, but the ads are sometimes hosted on the website in question server/isp. So use bandwidth to load the ads but never click them costs more then not loading the ad and not clicking them because you had no intention of clicking that penis enlargement ad.
So unless you click every ad you come across, you are in essence worse then users of adblock, no?
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I support 15 to 20 sites and services through monthly subscription models. Its not my fault if you don't adapt.
Twitch is an excellent example. Twitch offers a streaming video service that ALLOWS me to block their ads. They simply run overlays over the video content. IF TWITCH GAVE A FUCK, they would create an application Streamers could run on their machine that would serve unblockable ads up directly into their streams.
Again, you can't expect me to care more about a site's revenue more than the people who actually run the site.
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And many people have no way of changing their site. Adblock blocks Youtube ads, too, which the video uploaders have no control over, but if you block them, they sure as hell don't see that money.
Also, people like you are reasons DRM exists. "Well, this game is so easy to pirate, OBVIOUSLY they don't care about their revenue and I should pirate it!" How is that sentence any different from what you're doing?
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I doubt any pirate thinks about the revenue of the devs.
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Where have you been? That's a pretty huge reason people pirate games. I can't tell you how many people say things like "Well, I'd love to try the new SimCity game, but I hate EA so I'll just pirate it," or "I want to play Diablo 3, but I don't like the auction house idea, so I'll pirate it and not support Blizzard."
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I honestly doubt that if someone hated a company that bad, that they'd even bother to pirate a game. That is the veritable equivalent of a car thief stating, "I hate [Insert Auto Manufacturer Here] so - just to spite them - I'm going to go steal a car manufactured by them to joy ride in." When you don't like what a company is doing, you're not going to patron that company with time, or your bandwidth.
You want to know why people pirate games? There's multiple reasons. You want to know why DRM exist? Because somewhere, there's a guy with a position of power in a publisher and/or dev house who actually thinks it is going to stop a pirate.
Meanwhile, there's a significant number of people in Australia with modified Xbox 360's, PC's, and an internet connection who think the censorship of Saints Row IV is a joke and who will pirate it instead to enjoy uncensored copies rather than wait an additional month while Volition finishes censoring it to meet the MA15+ rating (which is nonsensical considering the presence of an R18+ rating) - and then release at a 50% (or higher) mark-up despite the AUD and USD being 0.90:1 (Did you know that COD4 still cost $49.99 for AUS buyers via Steam - or that the original Black Ops is presently priced at $89.99? - http://www.steamprices.com/au/topripoffs).
DRM is a joke and doesn't stop pirates. It only hurts real customers. The reported impending shutdown of GFWL is less than a year from becoming a glowing example of this as a lot of PC customers stand to be - for lack of a better word - boned, if this comes to fruition as reports have indicated.
Now I'm not going to make the usual "there are no demos on PC" or "I just wanted to try the game out", or "I can't afford it" excuses. Those have been run through the well one to many times. Let's actually be honest with ourselves and examine the real issues as to why people pirate games - because when Ubisoft messed up its own games DRM so badly that it actually releases a crack from RELOADED as a patch, all arguments about pirates and the necessity of DRM became immediately invalid.
Side note: You cannot pirate Diablo III. Unlike Sim City, it actually DOES require a constant connection due to many things running server side.
P.S. I'm not arguing against you stating that someone saying 'Twitch doesn't have anything to prevent me from blocking their ads so oh well; they must not care about it that much.' I am, however, pointing out the flaw in your analogy and argument extending from it. However, it should be mentioned that many eSports broadcasters, especially MLG, run advertisements in the stream directly in anticipation of persons blocking ads. Admittedly, I prefer it. It is much more non-intrusive (it doesn't play in the middle of a highly contested mid-game matchup).
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Really bad analogy as its way off. You do not know much about that world and the people who do that stuff. I can tell you that much.
Most people I know who do it, do it because they can, and do not want to spend money on games and other software. Some people do it because they are poor and use that as an excuse. ( though this is a little rare, and they tend to fall into the above category but are trying to make a lame excuse for it in order to make themselves not look as bad. ) I also know of some who pirate shows/anime simply because the shows either do not air in their part of the world or take much longer to come out in their part of the world compared to when they are initially released.
Not a single one of these people care what the devs get or do not get, same with the publishers. Very FEW of the people who do pirate do so for those reasons. VERY FEW.
Not defending them, or their actions. Just dislike someone who is uneducated about a subject spreading misinformation about it.
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Your point would be valid, but I'm not arguing against those people. I'm arguing against someone who said that he uses adblock because Twitch TV doesn't have any measures in place to prevent it.
Please at least read the entire argument before getting up on your high horse and pretending you know more than someone. Right now you're just arguing against some imaginary third party who made points no one here did.
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Nice try but you will not get me into an argument or a flamewar. Good day sir :)
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