This will sadly never happen. It's been going around since way before february this year. Too bad, because I'd gladly get rid of a huge percentage of my library even if I got half of what I paid for it.
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It actually already happened 2010 (and as you may notice even before that as it's just a revision of a ruling from 2008 - yeah, courts are slow) - there was already a German lawsuit over pretty much the exact same thing (reselling of Half-Life 2 disc copies) between vzbv and Valve.
However with the EU ruling over used license involving Oracle things changed a bit and accordingly they're trying to revoke that old ruling given the new EU one.
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For sakes no, if you can sell your "used" games on steam you can forgt about good sales in general, we don´t need the console shit in the PC, thank you.
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Actually owning the games you buy is shit now? And never mind that this thing already exists, in greenmangaming, for example.
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You don´t own the game, you own the Physical CD with information. In digital media you own just a liscense which does not grant you ownership of the game.
Example: Real life physical CD breaks you don´t get a replacement because you "own" the game.
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Uh, you realize the "console shit" was actually on PC before the rise of Steam? Gamestop (EB Games at the time), for example, allowed trade-ins on PC games until Steam came along, either 2004 or early 2005 they banned all PC game trading.
Why in the world would getting some money out of finished games be a bad thing?
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Mostly because with digital products you can trade them in and still have them in your possession.
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Yes, it was on PC before, and we moved foward, and now you want to move backwards?
So when you go to the cinema, after you watch the movie you want to also be able to sell your "used" ticket to get some of your money back?
A digital game is as good as new with every trad so it can be traded infinite times. The services for you beign able to download the game costs money. Steam or the developer wont see money from the used copy. The only way would be applying taxes for Steam AND the developer so they can have som money, this will increase the price of your used game, plus games won´t go as low as before, so in the end you get a game that costs more than on a sale only because you ca get a couple of bucks from it, that yuu end loosing on all taxes and low discounts.
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Good for you. I found all deals to be either too expensive or I already had them from earlier deals/other shops for same or even cheaper (like those two big Skyrim DLCs that I bought week earlier for around $10 each, give or take exchange rates).
Only good thing that comes from this summer sale - some games will finally get their price reduced, making them look better to catch during winter sale.
Ps.: Best proof this was poor sale: outside of Tomb Raider, Just Cause 2 and that third game, I never had 300 points - AFAIR in previous sales I was getting 300 points every day.
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Your logic is impeccable. Just because you already have an item that goes on sale, it doesn't mean that the sale is bad.
As for points, I think people were too busy with sale activities to gift games here. To me that spells "good sale".
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Edited my post because I forget to put "for same or even cheaper" in first line.
What "sale activities"? Idling games (I've done that while sleeping and setting timer to turn my PC off after 2 hours)? Checking sales 3 times a day? If there were any achievements-like actions I could understand that people were too busy.
OR, SG starts to eat it's own tail with people only making private or group giveaways, which don't generate points...
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Yes, refreshing the site every five minutes is one of them. But mostly I was referring to trading cards and crafting badges.
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Poor? It may not have beign the best "Steam" sale but it wasn´t bad. Also in this sale you had Trading cards that could be sold and used to buy games, aka, free money.
And you WILL notice the difference.
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I don't really like having an option for reselling games or trading games from our library. I have this (irrational) fear of having my account hacked and having everything sold/traded. Since the Steam Market is non-refundable, it would mean losing everything without a way to get it back.
Again, it's a fear that's justified from my parent's lack of care for their computers. My dad especially keeps downloading these pc optimizers, anti-viruses, and pc speed up programs from questionable sites on every single computer he gets his hand on even though I keep telling him to just pay the $20 or so for Kaspersky or other.
So yeah...my (irrational) fear of having my account hacked and everything sold/traded away. :/
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I have a similar fear when it comes to my Steam account.
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Does your father's computer have an ATI graphics card? Because mom.exe is a process inherent to the Catalyst software.
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It's a netbook with an AMD CPU with intergrated graphics so I guess it would be. Hmm... Thanks :)
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Yeah, Steam has to be more consumer friendly! And to all ppl that compare Steam Game Licenses with Film-License, i think its not exactly the same. If you pay for a film to watch you can only watch him one time/one day and the license is gone. On Steam you own the license for the game, as long as Steam exists, so why the hell you cant give it away. Remember Pre-digital-area? You bought a game on floppy disks and could give it to a friend.
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And the Floppy would break eventually or the trade is a lot harder than digital media.
Thruth is you can´t treat physical media the same as digital media.
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Anyone else think that Steam will no longer be available in Germany soon?!? o_O
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highly improbable given Germany is a huge game market ;)
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Yea but it'll be EU law soon after it gets passed in Germany and then Valve will have to pull Steam out of any EU country, which is a big loss of customers... Not likely.
If the law gets passed, Valve will do what they can to stay legal in the EU.
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I don't care about this. If I buy a game, I just want it, no matter what. You should use pirated games before buying them if you are afraid they will be unplayable. Valve won't have any problem with this sue. What I wish they were doing was to sue Valve for not having Steam as a DRM free application. Well, a DRM free application would cause problems, but at least it would be awesome if Steam allowed you to download installers and play games without the need of Steam, even if it is ONLY for offline use...
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I can use Steam with no internt connection , even if i haven´t set it on offline mode before...
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Yes it would be awesome if Steam allowed you to download installers and play games without the need of Steam.
WHAT?
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Well, basicly it is a good idea.
But with Steam prices it is unnecessary. If you do not like a game you just gave out 5€ and that is not bad, but if you hate an xbox one game and if they had their "non trading" thingy then you would have lost 60€ and would like to trade it.
But where is the border?
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What if valve implemented something like online passes, You can trade the games but the buyer in order to use the steam service have to pay something like 5 dollars. It will help both the consumers and developers if valve gives a cut from the 5 dollars, that way people will buy more games new,because they can trade them, after a year or so the price of games becomes low enough that there is no real advantage for trading. so the developers have more sales.
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That kinda thing is pretty much out of question. It's about the basic rule that you have to be able to resell whatever you own (be it a license, an actual product, ...). The EU ruling made it clear that it may not be prohibited to sell used licenses as long as they're still valid and the same thing applies here. You got a bunch of licenses (called subscriptions in the SSA) and you should be able to resell those.
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We're already looking into suing Obama for spying on us ;)
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And then they'll just get their games off foreign sources like they already do because the prices are ridiculous and nobody wants censored game - where's the big difference? :P
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It most likely would - you still obtained a license and consumer laws are a local thing and it doesn't really matter how you got what you got as long as you obtained it legally.
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Yeah, it's a really bad thing to limit copyright, right?
That's why it would be horrible if publishers couldn't limit prices after sale, exactly? Oh, hold on, that's nonsense. Seriously... what's your issue with getting things back on track that heavily derailed over the past decades (and the whole software license nonsense is exactly that - trying to circumvent customer rights by trying to name it something that it isn't).
You bought something, you own it, it's your right to resell it. You can do it with books, shelves, houses, cars, but dare you if the same should apply to software?
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An increase in the level of control is not what I would consider "heavily derailed". Times change and so do markets.
If you look closely at the Steam Subscriber agreement, we don't actually own anything. We're buying the rights to play the game. Steam refers to this as a "subscription". It doesn't affect my gameplay, it doesn't affect my experience. I'm perfectly happy with that level of control because it stops people exploiting developers and the system in general. Gaming has never been more convenient for me.
While I can understand that people would enjoy the convenience of getting back some money spent on those games, you can't expect Steam to simply open the doors. From a customer's perspective, the price would be even worse when it comes to buying the game first hand. From Steam's perspective, many people would simply stop buying the game first hand, thus decreasing sales. I mean a business is a business and I think that Steam have done well so far to give me a good deal for my gaming needs. I don't want that to change.
Console games have a huge market for second hand software, which means you can get the game you want for a cheap price, but you have to wait 6 months. Steam key sites sell retail keys, except instead of second hand games for cheap prices you're buying pre-orders for cheap prices. Which do you prefer?
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I have the exactly the same opinion, if that becomes true we say goodbye to summer and winter sales, there will be no pointon price cuts and sales, and say welcome back to online passes that costs half the game price.
But Valve still getting a cut on all sales, I expect that steam market fees goes to 15%~20% value of the game.
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And I thought that this would have been forgotten in our bureaucracy. And since they are just enforcing EU law, Valve can't screw us (even more) since that would mean that they would have to punish everybody in Europe. And I think, Valve knows this. I doubt that they've made the community market just to let us sell trading cards...
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Funny.
Valve can do whatever they want with their software, site etc.
If you use it you accept their rules. And no one forces anyone to use it.
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Haha! Not where I'm from and not, precedent would suggest, in Germany either...
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Which is how it should be. But ignore this guy, most Americans are brainwashed to believe corporations manufacture sunshine and rainbows and are deeply concerned about your rights and well-being.
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I guess we live in really different areas then. I'm surrounded by rednecks so who knows?
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This post is more entertaining then it should be, because you're american ^_^
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Why would i want to resell my games or share them with anyone? :(
Sounds filthy
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Even though i doubt it will happen, it would be awesome if we could cheaply buy games from the market from players who don't want them anymore. Still, Valve would take a huge hit, because no one would be buying games on sales anymore... or maybe some people would stack hundreds of copies during a pricing error or really low flash sale, and then sell the games for much higher price. Either way, Steam would be exploited, so it won't happen.
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In order for there to be used sales, there would have to be new sales. Given how compulsive most consumers are when it comes to spending money, I don't think lost revenue would be such a big problem for Valve.
Regardless, there would surely be ways for Valve to make the most out of a used-games system if they were forced to implement it -- credit only with a percentage going to Valve and the pubs/devs, for example. I'm sure they'd be able to figure out a way to profit from it.
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Of course it would be a big deal for Valve.
Imagine I bought a game on release day, paid full price of $59.99 for it. 6 months later I'm tired of the game and i want to sel it. The game is now $39.99 on sale. I'll sell mine for $29.99 and beat the Steam price. That's $39.99 loss for Vavle, as the buyer didn't buy the digital copy on sale, but from me.
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Don't forget that Valve takes their cut of Market sales.
Let's pretend it's 15% for sake of argument...
To get $29.99, you would need to sell it for $34.49 on the market. You get $29.99, Valve gets $4.50.
Also, we don't know this, but how much of a cut does Valve get for typical game sale anyway?
That game on sale for $39.99 might only net Valve $6 (Using again 15% for sake of argument).
So, ultimately, how much is Valve really losing?
$6 from a Regular sale versus $4.50 from a used sale. They lose $1.50? I'm sure they'll be okay with that, since they're making up from Market transactions from the new implementation of Trading Cards.
In no way are these numbers accurate, just food for thought
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I think you're forgetting the important people in this: The Developers.
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I stopped caring after I got to this part of the article - "A judge previously ruled in 2010 that Valve's refusal to allow users to trade in their games did not violate German law."
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Instead of selling individual games like this new EU law states they should just ask if they can sell the accounts since they are taking steam/valve on as if its a license.. then let people sell there license(account) and be done with it.
I don't care either way lmao.. I love steam, I love games.. So, whatever. I believe as long as I keep getting to play my games they can dress me as a duck and call me Sally.
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So, what do you think?
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