No motorised harassment in the street thread

Reserved for no reason ;)

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wow that's quite crazy, I'm Northern Italian and here if you just cross with your bike on a pedestrian crossing without dismounting they call the police and fine you xD if you drive a motorbike where you aren't supposed to you can get some really high fines and you're risking your driver license.. not to talk about driving without helmet, I didn't know France was in such a bad condition XD

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ca va pas non? le bruit est la pour prévenir de l'arrivée, une moto non bruyante tu l'entends pas. Mais y a bien que les citadins pour se plaindre... Puis vous en avez pas marre de demander des lois pour tout? En en parle des caisseux qui zig zaguent pour eviter de se faire doubler? on en parle des abrutis de piétons qui trouvent trop kawaî de se mettre en plein milieu de la route pour faire un selfie? Je pense que les motards sont nettement moins débiles que les autres sur la route. A part évidemment les jean-casquettes mais eux en général n'ont même pas de permis.

I signed the petition - I hope that helps in any way and the situation is resolved one day...

My advice is to edit this topic (or if you can't, let a moderator edit it) so you can add your first comment with the link in the thread itself.

Yeah bikes and even bicycles and those damn motorized scooters have gone from a nuisance to a downright hazard.
I had to pull my girlfriend from the sidewalk to the street just last week before one of those a-holes ran her over. Isn't that ironic? You're safer walking in the the middle of the street than on the sidewalk now because at least you can hear and see cars coming.

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bump, we need everyoke that think cross a city in safety is mandatory.

Heu tu habites Paris ? Perso tu as raison mais c'est pour ma part exagéré.
Je pense que l'incivisme est global. Voiture, moto, 2 roues de tout type, et piétons.
Je réfléchis à prendre un tank 😅😉

that's nothing
in my country, they WILL KILL YOU...for real. even if give them your stuff. they try to kill first, ask later
there's a lot of victim these 2-3 year now
no joke here, and that happens in public road not narrow one. usually in midnight or somewhere quiet

the thing is the one who does usually just kids, about 14-20, sometimes older. mostly motor gang member
i dont even know how the police work or how these kid "minds" works

for those who wonders, they called "begal", it's a shame for my country

Tu vis dans la région parisienne? J'y suis allé plusieurs jours et c'est vrai que c'était souvent le bordel avec les 2 roues, surtout les scooters mais je trouve que dans le reste de la France ce genre de problème est plutôt rare. En tout cas je déteste Paris personnellement, je ne comprends pas comment on peut aimer y vivre x)
Vivant à la campagne et me déplaçant souvent dans la région lyonnaise je trouve justement qu'il y a un grand respect entre les motobilistes et tous les autres utilisateurs de la route, ainsi que les piétons
Il y a toujours des dangers sur la route, surtout en ville et il y en a d'autres tout aussi importants comme par exemple les +50% d'utilisateurs d'autoroutes qui ne savent pas y conduire, qui restent au milieu en roulant bien en dessous de la limite, qui ne se rabattent jamais à droite et qui peuvent obliger certains utilisateurs à doubler par la droite

What i find a hazard is those electric bikes (as in bicycles, maybe cars too but dont notice them as much) that suddenly get past you (sometimes when you look behind you, thinking they are still meters away) and you can't bloody hear them.

Not to mention all those people using their smartphones while biking (though finally people now have to pay a fine).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bL0EqlDEk

waaaait, is the title an intentional pun or just unintentional bad spelling?

First you need to carry a baseball glove and a baseball. These should make it legal for you to also carry a baseball bat. Use the bat to dismount any rude cyclists. ;)
If that is too cumbersome for you, a short metal pipe should be enough to slip into the spokes for a sudden stop. XD

So people in traffic are being assholes in France as well. Good to hear us Germans aren't alone.

Us Germans have the Asshat-Traffic-SUPER PACK!

It consists of:

• Cyclists thinking they own the streets and pavements, nearly running over pedestrians on the sidewalk and obnoxiously ringing their bell at them even though they are 1) on the sidewalk and neither on the street nor the cycle track and 2) on the wrong side of the road.
• Aggressive car drivers who honk at every shit, annoying everyone around them.
• Stupid people doing illegal car races, killing people in the process (This actually happened a few years ago. The driver was then convicted of murder).
• People being asshats towards each other.

Now for FREE!

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bump it vrouuuuuuummmmm

So, you are saying the French cannot drive and disregard the road rules.
In related news, water is wet and the Sun is a large gas giant in the sky. French being bad drivers is a trope that pre-dates motorised vehicles. It is almost as old as the adage that Italians are biologically incapable of comprehending the notion of a speed limit.

Interesting.

First Neofoxy is sharing a petition of course he/she is going to have a biased opinion, his/her aim seems to be to collect signatures (if it wasn't why would he/she share the petition?) so he/she will emphases things. What is this petition exactly? It is asking for 2500 signatures and directing it to the "candidates of the municipal in the region of Paris and its surroundings" so it's really focussed. It's a French problem and it is written in French, I think people who has to sign it should be French or at least living in France, not sure if the petition has its place on this website. The discussion maybe but it's an other point.

Secondly the discussion, it shouldn't be scooter drivers vs other French people. Some drivers are like that yes and some are respectful of the law. You are opposing "they" against "we" as if "they" were the bad guys vs "we" were the good guys. For the rest it's your opinion and as I said it's normal that you are putting an emphases on things also your experience is shaping your vision, as you stated you had to protect your son making you more sensitive to this issue.
Personnally, as an old law student, I would say that being convicted of murder, motocycle involved or not, is more than a 2 years sentence generally (of course there can be exceptions). There is a difference between what is written in the law and it's application/ enforcement, there is an adaptation, murderwise but also for the enforcement of this petition.

Thirdly, you are focusing on this issue but if you're talking about Paris where there is this concentration of people don't forget the context. It's a city where everybody is stressed and "late" "j'ai pas le temps, je suis pressé", they don't have time to sympathise for a fellow human. Paris is also a city where street harassment is normal, touching, grabbing, following, making sounds of appreciation and not solicited verbal contact, it can happen to underage girls in good districts too, I know it from experience. It's also a city where some people are depressed and kill themselves in the subway, and the users of the subway are just grumbling/ "râlent" about it because they are going to be late as usual and this incident is kind of common. It's also a city where people are often striking because they have a right to do it and they are not happy, they are never happy, and then the people who are not striking are grumbling because streets are closed.
Of course it's only a side of Paris, there is a way to live there, a way to survive in this beautiful human jungle. I just provided a context for your message. This petition is "une goutte d'eau dans la mer". You want to see a real change? Change the way of thinking of Parisian people.

Who am I to say all those things? I am a 24 years old woman. I grow up and lived 12 years in Paris. I also lived in Singapore, Hungary and Belgium providing me material to compare my experiences. I studied in university some law, communication and am currently starting psychology (focusing on emotions, manipulation and high potential/gifted people). I also almost got hit by a taxi, cars (even when I was crossing on a pedestrian crossing), a bus but never that I can recall of by a motocycle.
I hope that you will find peace on this topic some day.