What do you think?
Not really a good idea in my opinion.Levels have their reason and I feel like even tho the 7,8,9,10 are really big your chances of getting games increase exponential(or whatever is the word for bigger than linear).I think people decide their level on giveaways thinking like:
"I wanna make a giveaway for this game for people that donated a few/medium amount/a lot of games"
Allowing Level 0,1 to enter giveaways for higher levels would enable bots that never give back anything to just farm high levels giveaways for cards/reselling the key/selling the account or whatever their are doing with it.
But on the other hand if you would have an option to enable your idea I don't think that it would hurt anybody since you can leave it on disabled and it would be another feature for people that want it.
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You say that but following my idea, if a level 1 wanted to enter a level 10 ga they would have to spend 512 points at the least. Which is literally impossible. Unless they find 112 point worth of give aways that are going to be canceled. The highest you can enter as a level 0 would be level seven at 256 times. so the most they could enter at level 7 is a 1 point giveaway. I dont know about you but i wouldnt spend 256 points and a ga worth 1
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You can remove your entry after your points are regenerated and get them back, easily storing more than 400.
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True. But spending like hours of time for 1 ga? And one worth like 2 points?
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I think that there would be guys like that - and with bots time is irrelevant.
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Yup, once you have 400 points to spend try to leave one of giveaway you entered.
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There is no limit on the number of points you can have on your account, but you will not gain the 6 points every 15 minutes once you have at least 400. If you remove yourself from all the giveaways you are entered in, you could have a few thousand points on your account. You get points back from removing entries, winning and automatically having your entries removed from other giveaways of the same game, and when someone deletes a giveaway that you were entered in.
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I'm level 1 rn so if i found a 60 dollar game that was two levels higher i would need to spend 240 point on that one give away. I get what you said about being meant for a certain level but the highest give away i've seen was 50 points and this is 5 times that
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Points are largely irrelevant. I'm sitting at 400 points practically all the time, with nothing (of interest to me) to spend them on.
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same here
but they are not irrelevant if you enter "everything" ;D
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They are very relevant in the topic of "omg, the leecher bots enter everything" concept. Two level difference makes requirement 4 times higher, 3 --> 8, 4--> 16.
Considering how "bots" and scripters already sweep their level for anything they can enter for, they won't have any points to enter even just 2 levels higher (because they would go for all level 1, likely. Or check level 0-2 for best chances. But points would be a huge limiting factor for the most disliked "enter everything" accounts. I don't think the system is needed, but it would be benefitial for the low-mid level users who pick carefully what they enter for. (but very, very small benefit...ocassionally)
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Oh didnt see the last bit. Thank you for spending the time to think about my idea.
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Wow people are so nice.( i mean that with all sarcasm. I'm lookin at the people that voted that i'm a pleb)
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This may be heresy coming from a level 1 pleb
Just pointing out that you said it first and provided the option, with no generally disagree option otherwise. (I didn't vote)
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True but I didnt expect like 90% of people to choose it though
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People probably vote for "I don't like this idea" but as Gaffi has mentioned you did make this answer sound like an insult yourself :P
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Disagreeing with your idea doesn't mean an individual is not nice. They simply don't want to see your idea implemented. Which is a reasonable position to take and not a reflection on you personally.
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OK guys, let's vote, here are the options I'm giving you:
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1 - Incredible idea! 3%
2 - Great idea. 7%
3 - I despise you and your ideas are bad and you should feel bad. 90%
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Wow, you guys are rough!
Honestly, that's kinda hilarious man 😁
From the other comments, I hope you understand now that nobody choosing that option intended any offence - and that this is why you must always include the "potato"!
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If the options you give people are:
1) Great idea!
2) Good idea!
3) You are bad and your idea is bad!
Then you have only yourself to blame when people who do not agree with your idea chose the third option - you literally gave them no other choice.
Anyway, happy cake day!
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In fairness, with the poll considerations you presented, the poll creator would not only force them into it, but within the context of the poll itself those options would actually inherently realize the validity of the statement of "I am bad and my idea is bad", making the option entirely reasonable for voters to pick.
In other words, the idea that is bad is the poll, and the poll creator is bad within that specific context, ergo making the poll option entirely accurate without any especially meaningful rudeness (in much the same sense that "You're a floor-pooper and you pooped on the floor!" isn't meaningfully rude if it's true. Well, it's more absurd than rude even if it isn't true, but just overlook that nuance. :P).
Of course, the actual term used was "trash pleb", which doesn't quite match up to that consideration. However, once you start using such a cringey, absurd phrase in any context, you're already putting yourself in a situation where you have to accept that any criticism you may receive over the usage is justified, so it ends up with the same end result regardless. :P
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The only way to say "I dislike your idea" is to take an answer, that insults you. It's you forcing people to be not nice. You could just added the option "Nope".
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Let's not forget: even ignoring bots and even with the multiplier, people would just be encouraged to bank points (enter for giveaways they don't want, wait for their points to fill back up, then exit said giveaways at the last moment). Nobody would need to be higher than level 2 or 3 to have a real chance at entering any giveaway (50*128=6800), and before you respond, remember that a cursory glance at any "how large is your 'hidden games' list" thread will show that most users would have plenty of giveaways to bank points while waiting for giveaways of games they want, with the only possible exception being during Humble Monthly Flood Day. Sure, it may seem silly on paper to bank thousands of points for one giveaway, but what if that's the only giveaway you're interested in? It would certainly be faster than getting a job and working to earn enough money to give away enough games to get to that level (and, in some cases, faster than getting a job and earning enough money to buy the game being given away).
Not saying it's a bad idea, but I doubt it will be implemented since 1) it kinda defeats the point of levels, and 2) the website isn't known for being updated; heck, this still hasn't been (and may never be) implemented.
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Thanks for your thoughts. I know it'd probably never happen but i just wanted to give my idea and see what people thought
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Nobody would need to be higher than level 2 or 3 to have a real chance at entering any giveaway
Barely anyone would care about banking points, bease people who want one or just a few game won't spend their life on SG, and scripters wouldn't go for anything higher than a level or two. Because you forget the "point for chance" thing of steamgfits, and also that points are already limited, the multipliers would make is just crazy.
Unless you have a lot of excess points, 2-4-8-16- (128, wtf) times the points to have slightly higher chance of winning a single giveaway is kind of funny. You get 576 points daily. "real chance of entering any giveaway" is weird because every chance is real, also - you can either enter or not. It's not chance. By your example of 128-times-multiplier a 50P game would require TWELVE DAYS worth of points to manage and distribute on the daily basis, while having just a chance for winning it.
Anyways, scripts are already checking how many points a giveaway need and the win %. Not even scripts would "pay" 4 times the points for 5% decrease in entries - especially that that 5% improvement means very, very little improvement on the already small chance. ( i.e. 900 entries instead of 1000 is a 10% decrease, but only 1% increase in chance. As entry numbers are generally higher, improvement is even less)
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Interesting insight. I didnt know that about bots. Thanks
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people who want one or just a few game won't spend their life on SG
No, I meant if there were only a few CURRENT giveaways that the user is interested in, or if it's rare for said game to be given away, not if someone only wants 5< games for life.
Unless you have a lot of excess points
Well, yeah, that's exactly what I mean. With all the hidden games everyone has combined with the fact that--as you said--we all get 176 points more than the points cap per day (but only if we spend those points on something!), I'm sure there are plenty of people who would still have a lot of leftover points after entering all the giveaways within their level restrictions for games they want. I know this because I'm one of them (I only need to worry about running out of points during Humble Monthly Flood Day, and only if said bundle has a game I'm interested in). So yes, it absolutely would be worth spending 200 points on that 50p giveaway if it's one of the only available giveaways that I'm interested in (especially since it would only take ~8 hours for said points to recover, no banking required).
As for the discrepancy in entry numbers (and by extension, their corresponding percent chances), did you just make up those numbers or can you point out public giveaways of the same game that last the same amount of time, with the only difference being the level restriction and number of entries, that support your claim of "two level's difference only decreases entries by 10%"? Cause I seem to remember the difference being closer to "4,000 entries to 500 entries" which, correct me if I'm wrong, is around 12% higher chance to win.
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Happy cake day Wolvus21. Being a giveaway creator, if I wanted to give to level 0, I would make level 0 giveaways. There is a reason why people put levels on their giveaways. Allowing people to enter to circumvent the creator's wishes seems unfair on them. I personally don't feel this is an idea I can get behind. Indiegala do a variation on your idea with the multiple entries per giveaway so you can enter ten times or more if you wish on the extra odds giveaway and maybe that might be something people will want providing you have the available points.
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If it'd be implemented I'd be like "whatever", it's not my site and I get used to things pretty quick. Plus I'm not that active here anymore so it kinda makes me even more indifferent on the subject.
If I had to choose though, I'd say that:
– respect that somebody doesn't want you to enter a giveaway and move on,
– the simpler the rules are, the better.
Oh, and happy cake day!
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Happy cake day, Wolvus!
Do not really think "you are a trash pleb", but, the way I see, when people make high level GAs, they really want to make sure contributors get the gifts, so voted for the last option.
But it is all cool, I still love you, you are still my best friend, Cather--... No, wait, what was that again?
Cheers! :D
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It seems after the conclusion.
Well, apply for a large amount to "GA with a long date for high points" ...
There is still such a thing that "cancels and gets points" on the day when the favorite game exists.
"Would it be better to suggest a specification that halves the points at the time of cancellation?"
However, Lv exists.
So don't worry. That is the best for everyone's peace of mind.
=͟͟͞͞( っ'Θ')╮ =͟͟͞͞🍰
Happy Cake day!
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Happy cake day.
The level system is to reward people for giving away games, this would defeat the purpose IMO.
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Why not with, proper multiplier... Like levels minimum CV divided by giveaway's level's minimum CV...
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Hm. Interesting idea but that would make it easier for plebs like me and bots to get higher like people are saying. Thanks for the thought
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I could agree with your idea but only if there is an option you have to choose while you're creating giveaways.
If you can't enable/disable it then it's a no for me.
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For me it's a no, for the reasons listed above. BTW, happy cakeday! :D
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Points are free, so it's like "what if I spend a 1024 times more of nothing to get what I want?". No, it won't be like this. And not because you're "trash pleb" or something, there is nothing wrong about being low level.
Also, Happy Cakeday to you!
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Well they are free in the sense that you dont have to pay money for them but they do have value because they take time and can get you a game. But i see what you mean. Thanks :D
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but they do have value because they take time and can get you a game
If they have a value, will you agree to pay for them? It's totally optional, and if you decline - you will still get points for free. But, if you really believe they have a value, please, consider donating to steamgifts.
They don't take your time, you can do anything you want with your time - work, play, sleep, and you still will get points. Even brushing your teeth takes more time from you - because you can't do something else while doing it.
And no, points don't get you a game. It's giveaway creators who get it for you, and, from some point of view, your luck. Theoretically you can spend unlimited points and never get a game (but that would be a really BAD luck).
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I have mixed feelings about the idea.
Happy cake day anyway!
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Well, no. I'm making higher level giveaways to get rid of most of rulebreakers and your suggestion would ruin this.
Also, Happy Cakeday!
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Happy cakeday!
Getting back to the subject. I wouldn't mind if levels were only about donations, but as some people pointed out they are also he only thing that allows to filter out all kinds of cheaters. Unfortunately there are a lot of them on lower levels, so basically your idea would give them access to higher level giveaways and it would simply force GA makers who are concerned about such cases to boost the minimal level by 2-4 just to stay on the safe side.
For it to work you would have to first introduce something like a receiver level which would rise with properly activated wins. On the other hand with such new way to filter out rule breakers, people who use higher level GAs as a "honesty" filter would probably switch to that new measure completely, so we get back to the point where a contributor lvl requirement would be set on purpose as a way to thank other users for contributing, invalidating any reasons for a system allowing to overcome it. Basically currently the idea is a no go due to cheaters and if you overcome that issue, it's loosing its point.
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Nope!
But please don't stop thinking about ways to make the site better. You never know when you'll get an awesome idea.
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Not a stupid idea and I like how it promotes choosing what you want to enter for, but frankly - levels above 3 (!) are basically useless. Of course if you're higher leveled then you gave more which likely means better ratio and all that jazz, but levels isn't that infinitely scaling system of awesomeness. It has an easily reachable optimum, so I'm really not convinced it is worth to make such a significant change.
Not to mention how incredibly slow change is even with basic things, and how rarely they happen. Expect any change in like 2 years, if bundles / the site will be still around
edit: also a thing. If there is a level 1 and 2 giveaway for a game of 50P, a level 1 user could enter them for 50 + 50*2 = 150 points. A user of higher level could enter these for the usual, 50 + 50 = 100 points. And while we know that the "same for higher price" would be an improvement for the level 1 user, but this would make base for the rumor (and first impression) that this site is pay to win, who is higher leveled can enter cheaper for things. And it wouldn't be incorrect from the points of a new user. So I would be against of the system, for how it would make the site look.
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Thanks to everyone i'm begining to see the flaws thanks :D
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Interesting Idea, however maybe its just me, but here let me tell you my situation now on SG. I am level 7, and probably wont reach level 8 soon. however i started to filter out all the trash and games which i consider "wont play even if i would win it". So this caused a quite interesting situation. Atm i see only 62 GAs, from which 3 are group/WL GAs. And only 1 is above my level - level8, to be specific. And i also would like to mention that i have 10,716 hidden games :D So recently i cannot even use my 400 points :D
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As far as spending an increased amount of points goes, I'd be more interested in being able to spend an (exponentially) increased amount of point in order to increase your chances. Like, for a 10P GA, 10P = 1 entry, 30P = 2 entries, 70P = 3 entries (max)
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Okay so i just had an idea. This may be heresy coming from a level 1 pleb but what if for giveaways you could enter higher levels by spending more points. Like for example if i really really wanted a game for a long time and i find a great giveaway but its one level above. Maybe i could spend like double to enter the ga. So if i really want to get a game i have a chance but at the same time its very unsustainable. What do you guys think? Following this method you could enter a level 10 from 0 by spending 1024 times as much points
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