Well most people is here because HEY FREE STUFF DOSE IDIOTS GIVNIG AWAY GAMES FOR FREE.
But the community is good and I feel good too when contributing (Although I haven't done it much) so all in all I think that SG is more than leeching or not. And BTW you can always set your giveaways to contributor :-)
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tl;dr
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Aaaaanyway, given the nature of the site, leechers are a virtual certainty, but let's not forget that a good portion of people just can't afford to do giveaways, and there are many that I'm sure are hesitant about it until they win something themselves.
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You're awesome Dsc, so I'm not going to hate you even if you said tl;dr. Yeah, I know there are people who have good reasons not to make giveaways themselves, but to me it's just stunning how many leechers there might possibly be here. And many of those are probably the kind who are never going to contribute anything, no matter how many gifts they win themselves : /
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Yeah, that's just the truth of it though. Many people will continue to enter giveaways with no intention of giving anything themselves, and probably without any intention of participating in the community either. All we can do is keep on goin and don't let them bother us.
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It's a gifting community. This site isn't exclusive to people who can/want to giveaway games.
There are other ways to contribute other than gifting games, staying active in the community such as the forums and chat since this is also a vital part of the site.
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Also I guess some leechers annoy me. There are some people with 500+ games and keep buying games because all they care about is getting more games. Like there is this one person in chat who complains about giveaways being public or not being a "quality" game, and yet he hasn't contributed games and has more than 400 games. Those people are dicks.
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I really don't like calling people leechers. If we assume that you have to give one game for each game you receive - what's the point? You could as well just buy your own games. I came to this site because I had a game I didn't want, so I gave it away. And that's fine. But other people just want to get free stuff, and I think that's also fine.
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Leecher is a commonly used name for people who haven't contributed, so I think it's all right to use that name. Contributing is all about moral in my opinion. If you're getting games for free, it's only fair if you give at least something back yourself. Nobody's forcing anyone to contribute, but it's just a good gesture towards the community.
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There are also monetary and other issues preventing people from contributing, but I still stand by what I said. For example if you have lots of spare money and you've won many games here, there's no reason why you shouldn't make a giveaway. The only reason a person would not contribute in a situation like that is because they have bad moral.
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If you had won the lottery (10 million dollars for example), would you feel obliged to hosting a lottery? Would you consider it "bad moral" if you didn't? I don't know what moral code you're following, but I don't see trying to get games for free as violating the Golden Rule.
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By that logic, you should sell your house, car, and the rest of your things to feed the homeless. Morality has nothing to do with giving or receiving things from freewill. Your IDEOLOGY may speak otherwise though. If you feel certain people are immoral and thus "bad people", then fine so be it, I think your a bad person for alienating a large portion of the site and insulting them because they cant, dont, or won't do what you think they should do. Just like many people think Im a bad person because of the things I do or dont do.
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Personally I don't care. If I'm giving a game away I'm more bothered that someone who will actually play it wins than whether they are "leechers" or not.
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Holy christ YOU WON SOMETHING. How many entries did it take? Last I knew you were over 2k and 0 wins. Good to see you got into a no win group and won something cool to boot.
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Holy christ YOU WON SOMETHING. How many entries did it take? Last I knew you were over 2k and 0 wins. Good to see you got into a no win group and won something cool to boot.
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I figured I'd do the same. More than once I've seen gift descriptions where the gifter said they were celebrating their first win.
Unfortunately, I don't recall ever winning any kind of random drawing that involved more than 30 people at any time in my entire life, so I'll probably gift something long before I ever win something. I've the complimentary extra copy of Frozen Synapse (the "freebie" that comes when you buy the game) sitting in my Steam inventory, and I can't shake the feeling that it might find a better home here than amongst my friends.
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In your upper right corner you'll find a Logout button. Use it for the sake of all that's good and fertile in this world.
Why am I defending leechers one might ask. It's pretty easy - some people cannot afford to buy games and have some other necessities to spend money on. These people, the ones you've referred to as leechers, are using the main benefit of this site - free games!
For what I see, main reason this website was created is for people to share games UNCONDITIONALLY (although they have changed that with the introduction of cont. value, exactly because douchebags like you couldn't stop nagging about leechers). So, as far as I'm concerned, everyone is free to join any give-away and enjoy free games they win. I support this not because I'm coming from an ex-commie country but because I simply know that not everyone can afford to spend money on games.
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I'm allowed to have my opinions, aren't I?? I'm not complaining about leechers here (I could have made a thread just nagging about their existence), but I'm just trying to provide people some information.
And since people who haven't contributed anything are so commonly called leechers here, I don't see anything wrong in calling them by that name. I could call them people-who-haven't-contributed-any-gifts, but that's a bit long name, don't you think??
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I'm missing quote option for this: I really don't like leechers
That's not providing information, that's making a clear and sound -I FUCKIN' HATE YOU AND YOUR KIND YOU DAMN BASTARDS AND I HOPE YOU'LL BURN IN HELL YOU GAME-STEALING PRICKS- statement.
No soup for you.
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This site's main idea is that people can give games to people that don't have enough money to buy them but it would be nice if these people give at least a Fortix away or take part in the forum (that would be enough but most don't even visit the forum). BTW you also have to remove the number of the giveaways from developers and from the giveaways where people didn't really contributed (The Ship, Dota 2, Shadowgrounds, etc.).
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I don't know how people usually define a leecher. I think leecher is a person who has contributed NOTHING to this site but has won something themselves. I agree you could say leecher is also be a person who has won more than they have contributed. But just for your information, I'm intending to restore the balance and make some giveaways in the future. I'm not going to stay as a leecher.
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First of all let me state the following facts: I am one of those you call leechers, with 2,305 giveaway entered, 1 gift won and 0 giveaway created (so far).
Now, this is a giveaway site. Meaning, it is a website where some people give away stuff and others receive those stuff.
Calling people leechers just because they don't make giveaways it's just wrong.
There are many reasons why people don't make giveaway or why they are here in the first place.
For example, some people just can't afford to make giveaways. In fact, some people can't afford buying games at all and they see this website as a way to stay legal.
Some, just want to get their hands on region locked games like Batman AC or Bulletstorm.
Of course, there are people with 500 games on Steam that pretend they can't afford to buy games. Ain't that cute? BUT IS WROOONG.
But that is why you have the possibility to make your giveaway available only to those who contribute.
Besides, you can't say that every single person who never contribute so far are not going to do it in the future.
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I personally have nothing about leechers per se. I understand that not everyone has the mean to make giveaways, or even buy games for themselves. I would prefer that someone would contribute by being an active part of the community (forum/chat) but I also understand that some people don't have the time or the interest. The only leechers I have a problem with are those that come in the forums complaining about contributor giveaways are hurting their changes or that the quality of the games they can enter isn't what they'd be hoping for.
My take on this is "you get a chance at free games, and you're not even having an active part in the process, so please enjoy the chance you've got and stop complaining".
To those who can't give/participate, all I say is good luck and I hope you get the chance to play something you enjoy.
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But honestly i think Steamgifts should have been private and not public, like it was before. People would get invites to get in, slowly making it more populated.
Basically this website went from "Semi private gifting community" to "WE ACCEPT ALL LEECHERS, COME AND GET SOME!".
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I guess if your idea of generosity is giving to those who deserve it, then these calculations may be of interest.
I personally believe it should be unbiased. Whether a person has contributed or not should make no difference. Let people CHOOSE to contribute on their own accord, not because of underlying motivations which (sadly) became more prominent with the advent of contributor raffles. However, people will always find a way to limit who's essentially worthy of a game, and thus is the nature of sites based around giving away things.
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It's not a moral decision to contribute. Arguably, you do it because you want to out of generosity. If a person does not feel that way, there's no reason to pressure the guy for not doing so. A winner is able to win out of hundreds or thousands of participants, so there's no reason for the winner to feel bad for not giving away something afterwards, especially if he does not have anything to give. The point of the site is to give away games, and there will be people benevolent enough to keep that spirit alive. Making individuals look worse because they can't/refuse to contribute is not exactly a mindset you want to adopt.
Dare I say, with the logic of your statement, does this mean that if you don't contribute, you're not moral? Does this really sound right?
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You got a point there. What I mean by moral is that if you refuse to contribute even something even if you could, but you still want to have lots of gifts for free, that's not quite fair. I know many people are not able to contribute, but I think it's only immoral if you're never intending to contribute even if you could, and you know you're abusing the site for your own benefit.
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Again, the point of the site is to give away games. People looking to benefit from this are the exact people who give the site the traffic that it has today. Yes, it is sad if a person doesn't want to contribute, but fairness isn't a factor; it's probability. People with the sole mindset of benefiting may not even achieve that goal. It's all determined by luck, which is how giveaway/raffle distribution should be in the first place.
I had no intention of giving away to this site, but does that really make me immoral? Everyone's capable of making the choice to contribute, whether that may be on the grounds of generosity or greed. It's not safe to assume that some of these "leechers" are out to abuse the site, for they can choose to give away later on like several people have, myself included. Even if they don't turn over a new leaf, there's nothing wrong with it in relation to the point of the site: giving away games to those who want it. Everyone wants games, so there will be people to take advantage of that, including so-called leechers.
It's not really your place to call out people who are on the site for different reasons than your own. In the end, everyone is fulfilling what steamgifts has allowed: giving games, receiving games, and interacting with a community on these grounds. Personally, making this thread to point out leechers is worse than the leechers are perceived to be, but I'm not going to stop others from expressing opinion.
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You're making really good points and challenging my opinions, well done. You might be right not everyone feels their conscience bite if they are being leechers. It's everyone's own choice whether they want to be leechers or not. It just goes against my view of moral if a person is getting gifts for free but not willing to give anything back.
And I'm really not trying to spread any hate towards leechers. I just made some calculations and I thought others might find them interesting.
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Isn't this hard to do? I thought to make a SG profile, you had to have $100 worth of Steam games on your account.
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I'll note that you've given away 5 games, totaling 54 points worth of games, but you've won 8 games, totaling 87 points worth. You've been a net drain on the site, and the other members would have gotten more games if you'd never joined. Also, during July and August, you'd already won games without having contributed anything. So how dare you self-righteously complain about leechers?
I'll readily admit I've also gotten more than I've given, and I'm fine with that; I'm not complaining about leechers (and I really hate even the use of that term). I'm mainly here because I want free games. That's what the site is for, after all. When I have extra games I don't need, I give them away. If everyone has to give in order to receive, that's not a gift; that's a trade.
Also, your math makes no sense. If we assume every contributor has given exactly one gift, that means there are 21,000 people who haven't given anything, but it also means there are 21,000 who haven't received anything. These aren't the same 21,000 people, but there is an overlap. If you increase the number of gifts per contributor, you increase the number of people who haven't given anything. However, those gifts also aren't even distributed; if each recipient gets more than one gift, there are even more people who haven't won anything. And it's hardly fair to call those people leechers.
Personally, I didn't give anything until I won something, and I wouldn't blame others for doing the same. I wanted to be sure it's not a scam, after all. But it also doesn't bother me if people give less than they receive or don't give at all, as long as they're not being hypocritical about it.
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Wow, you really digged into my SG profile to find that info to get back at me... You're a dedicated one. I appreciate you pointing out my calculations are probably off, but I didn't intend them to be completely accurate, that would be beyond my allotted time and skills. I'm just trying to get some conversation going on. And I'm allowed to have my opinion about leechers, and you're allowed to have an opinion of your own.
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Oh I forgot... There were the giveaway of Guns and Icarus Online Beta which were 15 000 copies and the Fairy Soilitare which were 25000 copies... That's rough so you can strike down 40 000 copies at least, but bear in mind, those weren't the only developers giveaways.
Can you do it again according those statistics?
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99,99% because this is all free. There is a giveaway for Assassins Creed Revelation, and ppl who never played any game of Assassin's Creed still entering it, and look here for example http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ZNRfr/steam-greenlight-submission-fee, ppl don't have a minimal idea what i this, but still entering....I didn't entered for example because it was stupid to enter to win nothing. Because this giveaway is nothing, there are no steam games, and I think there are not games.
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BEWARE, A WALL OF TEXT!!
This thread is NOT about leechers being good or bad. I made this tread because I did some calculations and I thought someone might find them interesting.
Well I have thought about this, because I really don't like leechers (aka. people-who-haven't contributed-anything-but-have-won-gifts-themselves). I have been wondering how many percent of SG members actually contribute anything to this site, so I've done some rough calculations, and here are my results. Note that these calculations are based on high-school -level of mathematics, so I'm not sure they are 100% correct. And since these numbers change constantly, I'm just going to use rounded numbers. And I haven't taken developer giveaways into account in these.
You can see the amount of members in SG and the amount of received gifts at the bottom of this site. Let's say we have 208 500 members and 187 500 received gifts. If we assume everyone who has contributed something has only given ONE single gift, that would make 21 000 leechers (208 500 - 187 500). That's already a pretty big amount, 10% of the total amount of SG members.
HUGE EDIT: I've gotten some additional information from cg (thanks a lot), so I'll be hugely adjusting (removing) my calculations. I've been informed that the amount of people who have contributed one or more gifts is 35 873 as of now. And since there are users that create an account but remain inactive with it, the amount of current SG members is not a reliable figure. So my previous calculations were overly exaggerated. By information provided by cg, 78 198 members have been active during the past month, and 23 400 have created a giveaway. So I really can't make any reliable calculations on this issue.
So yeah, I just thought I'd write this to give you something to think about. What do you think?? If you find something wrong with my calculations, please tell me. I'm not all that good at math.
PS: I will hate anyone who comments only to say tl;dr. Don't comment if you don't have anything worthwhile to say...
PS 2: It seems some of you are getting upset since I'm using the word leecher. I just use it because it's shorter than person-who-hasn't-contributed-but-has-won-gifts-himself/herself. I can't even fit that into the thread title, so I changed that into non-contributors.
PS 3: I though this might be some interesting information. But this thread seems to be attracting much hate.. I'll close this thread if it gets too hateful
PS 4: I'm going to close this tread since I've realized how difficult it is to make these calculations reliably, and there's no point in spreading possibly incorrect information.
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