Its actually useless said by this guy.

Here quote.

People are in for a MASSIVE disappointment if things don't change
Let's face it, the people reading the headlines on Kotaku/Forbes are cheering Valve for implementing a great system, however if you look in the FAQ, you'll find the biggest downer imaginable.

http://i.imgur.com/ChSbAbu.png

Launch a game while your family member/buddy is playing and it will kick them out. Even if you're playing a completely different game. I understand not allowing two people to use one copy for multiplayer but not allowing someone to play Assassin's Creed while you play Bioshock?

What's the sense in that? No developer cares. No publisher cares. It's an arbitrary restriction that does nothing but annoy and drive away the consumer to other sources of entertainment if the time comes when they want to play a game.

People may be chanting VALVE in the comment section of Gizmodo right now but imagine what's going to happen when people find out that the fineprint makes this pretty much useless for people who actually play their games?

Now is the time for change, if you want things to change, show your concern. It's not too late. If you want, sign a community made petition.

Petition.

In short, the thing that whenever the borrower opens a game, the other device which is currently playing a game gets kicked out.

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A Steam feature is useless? Oh, I thought you were going to tell us something new...

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^ This pretty much sums it up, not the first useless steam feature we have and won´t be the last.

The entire sharing system is still in beta and no one has access yet, so we do not know how the release is gonna be or the updates.

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and the thing is if you don't provide feedback the product won't change am I correct,

anyway I'm not butt hurt about this but it is certainly worth sharing this proposal.(and yes the feature isn't even out yet)

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(@avce but also @zyddie)

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Lol no , just because some people lack common sense it doesn't make it useless .

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Because they can't abuse system if it's like this. (ie. renting games for a price)?

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I don't care about renting nor borrowing games, but valve idea of a sharing of just 1 steam account is a bit confusing.

renting/borrowing = high game prices like consoles.

and what the guy is trying to do is to take out that "kicking"...
even if its a diff game.

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Not talking about you, but generally.
This very much limits potential abuse (you still could loan to one person in different enough timezone).

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If you trust them enough to hand out your password to.. since the PC needs to be authorized to share your library.. by your account.

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and yeah that too,

also wouldn't this expose your username and can render an account more hackable...?

the target would be now is the e-mail...

Forgot password?

send code to e-mail.

change password and e-mail.

hacked.

screwed.

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You can authorize by email too.

Username can be problem, but as long as email has proper password, your safe. (Also two factor authorization, if possible)

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but it also destroys the intended purpose. you can't share with your brother in the same house on a different computer if you can't play two different games at the same time.
whats the point of stopping abuse if it can't be used legitimately anymore? at that point it'd be more effective to just disable the feature entirely as that would stop all abuse and only impact usability a little bit more.
Without this feature I can easily have a sibling share on the same computer already(and any game that doesn't support multiple saves its easy enough to move one save into a folder and the other save into that slot). This adds nothing unless he can now use his own computer...which it says he can. except it functions like we're using the same one anyway because it kicks the other off when one of us logs in. Do that if we try to play the same game I get and support. Different game? no real reason for this.

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Just create new account for all games and problem is solved... ;)

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You're nuts man ._.

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The intention of it to share games on a PC with others so that they can have their own set of achievements and different save data (not just different slot)... it's not for sharing with just everyone.. I guess

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thats not what steam said.
if this was the case there would be no authorizing devices. (one pc would be one pc. not several pcs that act as one pc as far as steam was concerned)

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Yup, that's exactly what I thought.

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It's to prevent renting accounts for money. If all shared devices could play at the same tme, what would stop me or anyone with big steam library from putting an offer like "I have 500 games on steam. For 1$/day you may play them all expect from the one game I will be playing at this time. Don't waste your money on buying all these games - rent them all for just 1$ a day". With this system they make sure that if you want to share a game with your friends you can do so, but ofc they will mnot have the same privilages as you do. And one account won't be able to be used by many people all the time (because that would be a really bad move - ppl would no longer buy games on steam - why buy a game if you can just find a person who already finished it and pay him 10% of it's value so he would share the game with you? He will no longer play it, as he finished it, he would play other games, you would finish a game and never buy it).

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Even with the kicked-off limitation, one can still rent their games out this way for money. They just can't rent it out while using the account at the same time. If I were going to be busy all weekend, I wouldn't need my account. See where I'm going with this?

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sure thing - but still this way only 1 person uses an account at the time. If you wish you can already just share your account with a friend for a weekend this way by giving him your passes. What this system changes is that sharing would be much safer now (no need to give someone your pass) and will not be breaking TOS anymore.

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This. Also, you own a single license to the game - we should be able to borrow/rent/sell it but we shouldn't be able to have multiple users use it at the same time. Wouldn't that basically be piracy?

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Pirating is only if one licence is used by many people in same time. If I would play Skyrim on my account while you would play mine New Vegas and zelghie would play mine Sleeping Dogs it wouldn't be pirating.
It would be same thing as borrowing DVD on console - only one person is using license at same time.

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Just as you've written, I missed this point and you're absolutely right :)

Even so, I'm glad we're getting a feature like this since it will make my life quite easier and it doesn't bug me with its restrictions.

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the horrible thing is if M$/sony had their way that would be piracy, they sort of have a point from their end they sold you a licence, its more how retarded the development of software licensing has gotten that stupid restrictions are just fine, sooner the EU brings the hammer down and says a key on steam is the same as buying a disc the better for me

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I guess Internet made bigger fuzz about it then it should. This isn't sharing/lending games, this is "make more than one account be able to use single game" feature created for families with one PC and more than one PC Gamer, so they won't need two copies of one game to be able to get their own achievements.

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Well you can buy a DVD with Skyrim or whatever, play it and then lend/rent it to another person, can you not? You don't have to give your entire DVD collection to that person in order to do that. The critics are absolutely right.

Edit: The only problem is how many people should be able to use shared game from a single account. At the moment they have this:

"Is there a limit to the number of devices I can authorize to share my Library?"

"Yes. A Steam account may authorize Family Sharing on up to 10 devices at a given time."

Creating a separate permanent(!) list for 10 guest-accounts would solve this problem.

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In the case of Skyrim, since the game is Steamworks, no you can't. You need to register the CD-key on Steam to play it, making it bound to your account forever.

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Be that as it may, my point stands. There are games that can be shared that way.

As for Family Sharing, I'm pretty sure Valve won't let it's customers to share the fresh and popular AAA games anyway.

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permanent list?

what if I plan to re-marry 11 times? then my 11th wife can't access my games :(

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thats not that ridicoulous an idea, that a man with 11 wives can spend any time gaming is something else entirely though :)

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I feel like steam would pretty easily notice many people from many different locations signing on. a feature called "family sharing" wouldn't likely be seeing more than maybe 10 unique logins. abusing it like that would stand out.

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Really, a beta feature going into limited testing isn't fully awesome and usable at the start. That is definitely something to cry about.

I'm guessing that this is not the long term plan, but currently a limitation of how it's been implemented. Just like having to share your entire library and not just specific games. It will all likely be updated as they continue to develop it, and these limitations may be removed.

If it never changes then oh well just don't use it if it's useless for you. It doesn't change the Steam you've been using.

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I'm not being affected by this, I'm just joining to get a beta participation badge lol...

I'm not comfortable with others playing w/ my account...

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You won't get problems (sharing disabled) unless many users you loan to get (vac-)banned from what I understood.

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share to get a VAC ban, wow.

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But I wonder if that's actually true. I wonder what would happen if 1 person is playing on a shared Library,
and the lender then turns on offline steam?

Even more what if you start playing with your interned turned off, well all of this considering that you don't have to have const internet connection for it to work.

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well - steam use to derp in offline mode sometimes - not tracking your gameplay time usually and sometimes don't even updates achievments, so it may be an issue here ;p

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if I want to play the game for fun then I don't need those.

  • there are games on steam that do not have achievements, mostly older titles though
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Like "Don't starve "it has no achievements but its fun... :)

and lets keep it that way.

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it's only some of the issues, the most common ones - other include screwing save files, crashing a steam and forcing you to go online (then kicking your friend anyway) to run a game in online thenm in offline again and some others. They are not so common but they still happens - I play in offline mode a lot when I am traveling, and even if it happens not so often, imagine yourself you play a game, you're few hours in, save derps, when you go online it synchronizes wrong save files with cloud and then you have to play a game from a scratch (happened to me with Bastion lately). even if it will happen even once in a while it will totally screw your experience with a game.

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you know that you can disable steam-cloud for choosen games

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just turn off saving to cloud when you go offline. how was that going to work even if it all went right?

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I belive they'll take this in consideration and probably there'll be a flag system or something like that to avoid such 'abusing', since people are being quite creative on ways that it might be abused, even with that feature it's not even out for the public yet...

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"Blablablabla petition!"
I lol'd.

Honestly I don't have problem with this. The restriction is pretty reasonable.

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I totally disagree that it is useless. I personally think it's a brilliant move. Do bear in mind that Steam/Valve will have to take care of their publishers as well. If all games can be shared without limitations and unlimited devices then all we need is just 1 super duper steam account user where the entire gaming world can share.

Look at this scenario which was not possible before this feature. My brother and me have our own Steam account and living in different locations. I have Bioshock Infinite which he don't and he bought Saints Row 4 which I didn't. So now both of us can play both games. In fact we can still both be online and I play his library games while he plays mine. To me that is brilliant but not so good for the game publishers of course :p

Also you don't expect people to be playing 20 hours a day right?

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I think I've read that they also marked that 1 device can be shared by max 10 ppl

"IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF DEVICES I CAN AUTHORIZE TO SHARE MY LIBRARY?
Yes. A Steam account may authorize Family Sharing on up to 10 devices at a given time."

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From Steam FAQ:

Is there a limit to the number of devices I can authorize to share my Library?
Yes. A Steam account may authorize Family Sharing on up to 10 devices at a given time.

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then 10 times less people would be buying games ;p Just get 10 guys, each put 50$ in a pot, you buy 10 brand new AAA titles instead of one, put them on one account and share it with all 10 ppl.

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Instead of:
buy 10 brand new AAA titles instead of one, put them on one account and share it with all 10 ppl.

to:
buy 10 brand new AAA titles instead of one, then create 10 accounts with 1 game each and share it with all 10 ppl

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well - keep idlers in mind ;p they can play 20 hours straight ;p

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Did they ever given any official response on whether 2 people can play each others libraries at the same time?

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I agree, it's not useless. If you live with other steam users and have an htpc, this'll make managing/using that htpc much easier (rather than having to sign in/out often to different accounts to play each account's games).

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It isn't brilliant. They can and they do limit the devices. They can limit it even further without breaking the feature. They can and they do make some games restricted to sharing.

There are merely 2 problems with this feature:

  • No way of sharing a selected number of games with a specific user instead of the whole library

  • No way of playing different games from the same account simultaneously

Solve these and you can limit the rest options of the feature however you want.

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it isn't unlimited devices

and while you or your brother won't be playing 24 hrs....you do realize unless you're in dramatically different timezones you'd be likely trying to play at the same time?

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Wait so everyone was perfectly happy before they added this feature, and now their pissed that it doesn't let them have unlimited access to a friends library? Same with cards ignore the feature then.

For me, I think this is a fair compromise that doesn't cost developers anything, and may in fact help drive sales. I'm always logged in on Steam, but work too much to find time to play. I've got a library of several hundred games, thanks to bundles. I can let my little cousins play using the Shared Library feature without worrying about them messing up my hours. Should someone get kicked off they have the option to buy the game and support the developer.

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10 devices mate.. so that means your GF can play your games from her PC at her home now.

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I supose the sharing thing allow you not needing to give your password, ok you trust your GF, but if it was your brother or a friend...

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except it functions EXACTLY as if they were both using his pc so what advantage does it give?

unless hes in china and she in england they'd be trying to at roughly the same times anyway, so shutting off all other games from that account when somebody plays one(who is then kicked with all the games shut off when his gf logs in to a completely different game on her computer)
so it can be 10 devices....that are functionally identical to one device. so what?

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the difference is that now it isn't qagainst a TOS now ;) I used to share my account with my fiancee - so yeah, now it will be basicaly the same for us (excluding the SteamGuard authentication), but we will no longer have to break TOS :>

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More than that, you will have your own archivements and saves for each one, thats not possible if you share your account.

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That's a good point also!

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saves are easily enough possible without this feature. achievements don't carry all that much weight for me at least.

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+1 to this; once again, the feature is called "family share" - they should either create a real family account feature, so I can play games with my family without buying it twice if the developer is fine with that, but I'm not allowed to share my games with "friends" I don't even know in real life, or rename it "steam renting" or whatever and leave it as it is now. I mean, k - I will be in vacantion for 2-3 weeks; np, I will rent my library to someone for a couple of bucks and that's it.

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The difference is that you'll have separated saves.

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which are functionally identical to sharing the exact same computer regardless because of how its set up

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Sounds like a petty complaint of a spoiled child. Sowwy.

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I don't think it's entirely useless.
However I'm not going pro or against it since we didn't even have the chance to test it and see how it works.
There might be FAQ and official statements but as we know, many things related to Steam are often subject to change.
Remember what Steam was 10 years ago at this day. Bloatcrapmalware.

Happy GabeN day ya'll btw.

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Offline mode for the win!! :D

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I'd be really surprised they would let you use a game owned by someone else while in offline mode

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Of course not, but your friend could use your game while you're playing something else in offline mode. And vice-versa.

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It's useless -to me- because I'd still need access to my library. Being able to lend out individual games would have been great.

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I must confess that if this work that way will be less interesting than I guest, but well, it's still interesting.
I have many games, a friend of mine want to try one while I'm on a travel or sleeping, I autorize hum to burrow it and it's done, no need to share my password or anything, he get achievments and etc, if he like the game he can even buy it to play by his own.

Let's keep in mind a simple thing. Valve don't need to give us anything of that. They already giving us something free of charge, it's not a right to share games and stuff, it's a privilege they're giving you guys. If they decide to let you share while playing, even best, but if not you're still winning something new for free, a bit of apreciation?

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Haven't read all the posts but sharing will still work for me, I have a job which involves a lot of overtime and sleepovers so there's countless hours when I'm not using my account, some of my family are unemployed so they could share my account when I'm at work.

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"What's the sense in that? No developer cares. No publisher cares."

You're right, no developer or publisher would care if Steam essentially allowed people to play their games for free alongside their friends who purchased it.

Thanks for your opinion though, personally my brother, cousins and I will find great use out of this feature. We all have jobs and attend school so we aren't sitting on Steam 24/7.

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It's called Family Sharing for a reason. It's not share with the whole world. Just because you completely miss the point of the feature doesn't make it useless.

The goal is mostly to have more than one people in a household, often on the same computer, have access to each other libraries. With this I can give my daughter of girlfriend access to my games without either of them messing up my playtime, saved games or achievements. And they don't have to know my password either. It's like sharing a account but without the risks.

Sure, you can share it with friends too but that's not the intended purpose of the feature. Valve gives you a feature you didn't have before and all you can do is complain about how much it can't be abused in the way YOU want it to. Just be glad you have an extra option you didn't have before.

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"Just because you completely miss the point of the feature doesn't make it useless."
this

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Ironically this "family sharing" will work best to people on different continents playing when the other one is asleep -.-

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Will work great for family members sharing a computer, allowing them to each have their saved games, achievements, etc. I could allow my daughter to play my games, on my computer, without having to give her my password and without the risk of her messing up my saved files.

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How is this fine print, it's says so right there and it only makes sense that one person at a time can access one library.
I wish people would stop taking the whole hand when offered a finger.

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lol at the petiton... make it how we want it or we quit :O Whiners

That's would be dumb.. after I finished playing a said game It would simply become a free copy to anyone on my family/friend sharing list. So I could play anything but that game and let them play this game for free, meaning why the hell would people buy games their friends already own and played.

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Exactly this.
It may be a flawed system as it is right now, but it's still great. What, all of you play your Steam games 24/7?

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I'm happy to see that there are more than a few people happy with this feature. My brother wants to try out Alan Wake on my Library. I want to play more than a few in his Library. If we can't play one another's librarys simultaneously then it's good that we play at different hours of the day. I find this reasonable.

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It makes sense, it's like sharing a console with a sibling or a friend.

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