That's all, folks!

todo

Minutes are inseparable from hours.

At the beginning... Zeros are not important.

tools

Salt

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I think information on this page enough to pass to next level.

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Well, I made it to the next part, and am completely stumped.

11 years ago
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Second step is much easier than first.

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Ha! Not for me. How did the person before me get both in six tries? I don't even know where to begin.

11 years ago
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You can try to search.
UPD: Bad idea

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Without searching, I can already think of lots of things that fit the description. But what do I put? In what form? Is it more stuff like in step one? Or should I be trying words? How are the two sections connected? Is it one split in half, or two distinct wholes? The nature of the site inhibits guessing, but I'm trying.

You see my problem(s), haha. I can't even pose proper questions here.

The lack of other players at stage two actually makes me think I might have taken a wrong turn somewhere somehow. I knew stage 1 was too easy...

UPD: Too late! I tried searching and now I'm more confused then ever! :-P

EDIT: SOLVED

I was way overthinking EVERYTHING, haha. I'm a derp.

Was this puzzle really made 3 days ago and only two solvers so far? What am I missing? I'm not the sharpest bulb in the tool-shed (obviously; it took me half an hour to get through part 2). Based on past SG puzzle experience, there should be way more entries by now.

GUYS, THIS IS COMPLETELY SOLVABLE

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The current economic crisis of the United States is also solvable (and quite easily), but many people seem to have trouble with that, too.

At least you made it to the second step. I'm still stuck on the first.

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The second step really is easier than the first. It was my own fault that I took so long there.

What I'm saying is, if you can get past the first step, you should make it easily to the giveaway.

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once the giveaway is over, mind sharing how you solved it?

i am really curious

11 years ago
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If kpetob doesn't (and doesn't object), I certainly will.

It's really much simpler than it appears.

And you still have three days left!

11 years ago
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I'm not getting anywhere with this...
I've tried many things, all have lead nowhere, the best I get is some random characters in parts of the decoder.

11 years ago
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I think I am naturally bad at this - I've been at this for 2 hours now.

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Don't give up! It is completely solvable, all the information you need is there.

And I cannot stress how rare this game is. It's no joke.

In the entire history of SteamGifts, it has been given away fewer than 100 times. For public giveaways, it averages over 1,000 entries each time (people want it). Only 2% of users have this game (you probably don't have it).

It's rare. And so far the only entry is mine, so your odds are GOOD.

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Thanks for the motivation, but it doesn't help with the lack of brainpower.

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It's tricky, but you can do it! Cams02, I believe in you!

Plus, you still got days and days. Just remember to come back tomorrow and take another look.

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I know it's solvable - I'm just having trouble getting from point a to point b on this, I've tried nearly everything, which means all I have left to do is the right thing - which I can't figure out.
I'm totally over thinking everything.

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Probably. Overthinking is my main problem as well...

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I am doing it as simple as possible, and nothing is working to my advantage.

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Take a break and come back to it. I looked at this puzzle yesterday and was instantly discouraged by the lack of entries, and no obvious path to take. I didn't even try.

Today, I looked at it again and got past step one in moments.

You've got time. DAYS, in fact. Don't keep beating your head against the brick wall, give your head a little time to recover and then come back. You WILL get it! I have confidence in you!

REMEMBER to come back though! Bookmark it, or leave the tab open, or something. You've already put in all that effort eliminating wrong paths, you can't stop now!

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The thing is, I've been at this for three hours now. I don't think I'll be getting it any time soon. I've read the comments page over 50 times, I've read and reread the original post, and nothing has come to mind.

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If I knew the game, it would maybe motivate me... I dont know how people have time for puzzles to be honest. Work and life is time consuming already.

11 years ago
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Arggh. The wake and sleep ones seem easy enough, but the food ones never come out right.

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After a good sleep I prefer the red herring for breakfast.

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Red... herring? Hmm...

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Arggh. Now I hate fish for breakfast. You tricky fiend!

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Maybe after I have a good sleep, I'll of the answer over breakfast. Goodnight.

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Stuck in the same place :(

11 years ago
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blarg...

All I've managed, so far, is a forward slash and seven characters, but even that part isn't right because eight are needed.

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Where did you get this slash?

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All the groups, listed in order, give the slash with seven characters. Specifically, the first group results in the slash and first character. Were you wondering where it came from, or were you trying to straighten me out?

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How is everyone else getting anywhere with this?

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Carefully re-read the thread

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-_- I did... Like 8 times... All I've got is a 7 digit code with a slash in front, like everyone else... I keep trying to work with that little bit but it doesn't work... I saw three distinct hints in total, and only two of them actually helped me...

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Okay, I've re-read the thread again, and again, and again... And I still can't find anything of use... Any hints that a 5 year old would understand (I'm not five but I feel like it since I don't know the answer)...

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Well I managed to get 8 char code it looks like it should but it doesn't lead where it should... Damn what do I do wrong? What do you mean by "some digits other way"? Like the 1337 code or some other crazy stuff?

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All what you need on this page.

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Ok solved the first part :) but now every answer I put is wrong so probably I'll fail anyway, but thanks for the brainbraker ;)

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You're doing better than I am. P

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I think I've gotten around 4 different 8 digit codes, but none of them have worked! :p

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I still don't have anything.... I don't know where to even go from here, I've gotten so many 8 digit codes, but none work.

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I have 22 unique 8 character codes.
I've been working on this for at least 14 hours of screen time.

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eh the first part is easy (smug) but the second.. wut. unless I went some misdirected way but I seriously doubt it :3 we'll see maybe some inspiration springs later on but eh, dunno

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I have no idea how you even figured it out, I've been at this for longer then I should have been.

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I've been stuck on the first part since the original posting. I lost track of how many hours I've been working at this, but it's over ten.

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I'm at 14-20 hours of nonstop work on it.

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Any chance of a hint as to which box to look inside for the answer? Not what to put the stuff into, just what it'll come out under.

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You forget to ask the giveaway link.

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Got past step 1 at last, but stuck on step 2 for the time being. Easier than step 1, you say? Hmmm...

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Much easier.

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i NEED a hint or 18

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Basically BASE.
Including a sports,with a base? BASE BALL
The Balls Volume is 3.14
So I'm Guessing : 3.14... becasue the number is infinite and still finding new numbers,regardless it's never gonna end,like the numbers.

11 years ago
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Lol
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What we need to input is given to us. How we translate it is given to us. Some of us obviously figured it out because they got to step two. All I've managed, thus far is "/xxxxxxx" .... How many people have actually managed to solve both parts and enter the drawing?

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I got like 3-4 different codes, and none of which work on Its Too Hard, which is where I assume part two is... I wish he would give hints that are better than "All you need is on this page" and other random stuff that doesn't help me...

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I actually got a lot of information from those hidden clues, but it hasn't helped me get to the second part. Maybe I can make a deal with someone where I help them with the second part if they help me with the first part. P

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I just gave up...

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Well, I'm not giving up, yet, and if I can figure it out, I'll help you get it, too, God willing. I dunno, though.... Time is running out and I'm still stuck on only the first part. I think God is making a point about how it doesn't matter how smart you are if you lack the relevant information.

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I need a hint for the first part. I'm playing with the numbers in the BASEment, but I'm not getting anywhere.

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There are a lot of hints in this thread.

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Yes, there are. I've read the entire thread at least twenty times. I could even rattle off all the things mentioned in the thread, but that obviously isn't enough to help me out because I'm missing something important. I'm guessing it's something that other people know because they've done these kinds of puzzles before, but I haven't so I'm stuck.

11 years ago
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Well, this puzzle isn't for you then.

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Already have Prey, so I don't mind not getting a chance at it.
I would like an explanation of Part 1, though.

  • The raw numbers are 0509 0105 0114 1115 0610 1504
  • The cryptic hint "At the beginning... Zeros are not important." suggests zeros in the first set and/or zeros as the first numeral of any set were not important.
  • Of course zeros as the first numeral do not affect the ASCII, and as kpetob seemed genuinely perplexed about people getting a "slash" (resulting from using 509 instead of 59) and a seven-character code, it seemed all zeros in the first set ("beginning") were unimportant.
  • Since we were told that all words were unimportant, and that the numeral order would not change, I (like some other posters, I see) tried various techniques like removing zeros, using real ASCII codes, etc. resulting in numerous eight-character codes which were incorrect when plugged into a itstoohard URL.
  • Since nearly-randomly stumbling upon a correct interpretation of the number sequence would be a pretty crappy puzzle, I'm assuming there is some logic that we are haplessly missing.
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The logic behind the puzzle is that it isn't a puzzle at all, it's just a way for him to give gifts to his friends while getting credit on steamgifts for giving it away. It's not too uncommon for people to do this. Considering the very first person that says "solved" is his friend, its pretty obvious.

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If it really is a case of someone trying to "game the system," that's pretty crap, alright. But it seems that what you say isn't actually the case when we look at the the people who (seemed to have) struggled with this puzzle and finally figured it out.

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Seeing as there are only 4 entries I am also a bit suspicious. While complexity of puzzles here varies widely, we do have veteran puzzle solvers who seem to get them all in the end. At the very least, I would like to see a solution to this supposed puzzle since the giveaway has now ended.

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I'm not his friend and I solved it. I was the second solver and the first entry. I'm sorry that you couldn't find the solution, but you're way off base here.

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Solution?

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Since it has been almost a full day since the giveaway ended, here is a completely walkthrough of the solution.

First, the OP wasn't trying to trick you, he/she just has bad handwriting. It's a 9, not a g, a 10 not a 1D, etc. Take the numbers for what they are. Ignore everything else; as OP hinted, the rest is just distraction.

This gives you the following:

05:09
01:05
01:14
11:15
06:10
15:04

Does something jump out at you about these numbers? What is the highest number here?

There are no numbers here greater than 15. If that doesn't immediately shout HEX, I don't know what would.

SO, put these numbers into the HEX box on the linked xlate tool. Remember, you are inputting hex digits, so 10 becomes a, 11 becomes b, 12 becomes c, etc. Ignore leading zeroes, as the OP also hinted.

This gives you: 59 15 1e bf 6a f4 (The spaces are not necessary and don't change the outcome).

Hit "Decode". OP basically spelled out that you're changing the BASE here. Look at the other bases (boxes). Is anything 5 or 8 characters long? Well, 8, because by now you should know from the other comments that you are looking for an itstoohard link code.

In fact, there is an 8-character code in another box, Base64 (BASE again): WRUev2r0

Use that as the itstoohard link code takes you to here the two-word answer to which should be obvious. In case it wasn't, it's a drum roll. Easy peasy, yes?

That gives you the 5 character giveaway code, here.

Perfectly logical and no tricks. I think most people were overthinking it.

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Even with reading the solution, the base conversion seems confusing.
I get the general idea, but just some details about the process.

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What part trips you up? Is it the decimal-to-hex? Is it xlate? I will gladly clear up any confusion.

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It's fine now. :)
The more I read it, the more it made sense.

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I'm glad. ^_^ Sorry if I was confusing; I'm a programmer so I guess I might tend to think of this stuff as easier than it actually is.

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Damn, I tried everything I can think of for that two question puzzle, but didn't come up with drum roll.

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No tricks? Hardly.

The OP clearly stated, "Minutes are inseparable from hours." Inseparable, as in "together, without separation." That would mean your starting numbers are actually: 0509 0105 0114 1115 0610 1504. Plug this into Hex and you get...nothing useful. In this case, the OP's hint is total misdirection. That makes this puzzle more difficult.

The OP also said, "At the beginning... Zeros are not important." Only this is misleading because, at the beginning, the zeroes ARE important. One way to get from the original numbers to HEX would be to translate from ASCII and that will give you the correct HEX input, but it is only THEN that the zeroes are to be dropped. This bit of misdirection makes this puzzle more difficult.

Finally, the OP said (regarding manipulation of the digits), "As you see it but some digits have to write another way." If a person actually tried to apply this "clue," it would go against the previous two originally mentioned. Trying to follow this "clue," then, leads to confusion, which makes this puzzle more difficult.

Given all that I have mentioned, I am not surprised that most people failed to get past the first stage. (It took me all of two seconds to solve the second stage on my own.) Congratulations, however, to those few who managed to solve the puzzle despite the original posting.

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No, you interpreted "Minutes are inseparable from hours" to mean that your starting numbers are actually 0509 0105 0114 1115 0610 1504. Your interpretation is wrong. They are inseparable, but what you start with are the decimal representations of hex digits. The hex minutes ARE inseparable from the hex hours. See?

You said that one way to get from the original numbers to hex would be to translate from ASCII and that will give you the correct hex input. I honestly don't know what you are talking about here, as that does not seem possible at all, as the numbers are already hex written in decimal. I would very much like to know what process you used.

(Are you talking about alt-codes? As in, hold down alt, type the numbers, release, a character appears, look up that character on an ascii table, and write down its hex representation? (Rather than put the text in an ascii converter) If you're talking about alt-codes, that's just a roundabout way of going from decimal representation to hex, which you can do in your head (a = 10, b =11, etc). AND you don't have to type in the leading zeroes either. So probably not this then.)

The leading zeroes ARE not important. 05 is 5 is 5. 09 is 9 is 9. 10 is 10 is a. This isn't misleading. If it IS misleading, you did something wrong.

I don't know where the OP said "As you see it but some digits have to write another way" but it doesn't matter. All you needed was in the original post. If you misinterpreted the OP, no clue would have saved you anyway. I believe that the OP was trying to tell you that the starting numbers were already hex, but written a different way (decimal), and you should write a for 10 etc.

However, you're definitely NOT wrong that most people were tripped up by the first puzzle. I can see now how lucky I was to go down the right path the first try, because any other path would SEEM like potentially the right one, if I just tweaked things a little... and then I'd be lost for good. I only looked at the numbers and ignored the clues, and noticing that the numbers were already hex (but written in decimal) I think were two big boosts. Especially the not reading the clues part. I think the OP's clues may have hurt rather than helped, especially if you were already down a wrong path.

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Regarding "inseparable," I'm sorry but you're wrong. I could write a three-page long post on why, but let's skip that. It turned out that "inseparable" was the wrong word to use, I'm glad you figured out the puzzle despite that, and I think the problem with this part was that the OP does not know proper English. This is hardly surprising when you consider how many people are native speakers of English yet still can't speak it properly. That is why we commonly hear non-words like "irregardless" in conversation.

As for what I said, above, about getting hex numbers from ASCII, if you plug the numbers into ASCII as they are given, you will see those numbers written in HEX form in the HEX window. In effect, you have simplified the raw data into the HEX form you need to work the puzzle. I hope I was clear....

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"I think the problem with this part was that the OP does not know proper English." I believe English may not be the OP's native language, so yes. And yes, this does indeed appear to have caused problems. OP's English is still better than my Russian, so...

I see what you mean about the ASCII/DECIMAL to HEX, but leading zeroes are not important at either the decimal step or the hex step. If you drop them from the decimal box, you still get the proper hex result, and if you drop them from the hex box you get the proper base64 result. I see in the OP's Salt solution that the leading zeroes are still there in the decimal box, but they are NOT necessary. You can ALWAYS drop leading zeroes and still get to the end. I would chalk this up to more accidental misleading from the OP.

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Ah, so it was drum roll! I tried drumroll at some point. Hah. I was very close. Thanks for the puzzle and the giveaway. :)

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Same here. I hadn't realized that it was two words, and the two "questions" were one answer, and when 'drumroll' didn't work, I moved on to many many dead ends, haha doh. I feel your pain.

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At least you can buy a disk copy of Prey and have it activate on Steam. That's what I did :)

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Hahah I tried "drums" :P Nice puzzle btw, firt part was pretty challenging and I hate you for second :P And these hints? WTF?! :P Hahaha :D Peace dude

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"Rare game"? Donkey Kong Country? Conker's Bad Fur Day? No, wait, is it Goldeneye? It's Goldeneye isn't it? IS GOLDENEYE COMING TO STEAM??!! W00T!!

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