If you had kept an eye on user feedback and considering the majority of comments being against a drastic point per day limitation, you would have never made the change like that. Therefore I have to assume whatever better suggestion is made (since there were plenty that were much better then this) you would - again - just ignore it.
I mean... even over a full day we can't reach the full 500 points! Sorry, but in my opinion this is just ridiculous. Instead of taking the time to come up with (or just take someone elses) elaborate idea for a good change this just feels like a poor hasty "solution" that tries to fix a synthetic problem (people complaining they couldn't spend all their (possible) points and therefore basically complaining about winning too few giveaways).
While I spent A LOT of my free time on this website to get the most out of my points, doing giveaways myself as well as socializing with other members but at the same time generating ad revenue for you, I'll be spending considerably less time here in the future if things will stay like you now made them. So instead of keeping people on the site this change does the opposite, it pushes people away. And where people before whined they couldn't spend all their (possible) points per day the same people now probably will complain they by far can't enter all the giveaways they really want - which is exactly what some already did when talking to me about the issue before and after.
You definitely screwed this one up... After all this is a platform where other people can give away their game keys - it's not like all these giveaways are made by steamgifts with sponsored keys and you want to restrict how many giveaways people can join; so you basically just punished people for giving away their games.
As someone else said: From one extreme to the other... almost never a good thing.
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Hate it, best giveaways won't be affected, only the least wanted games will see decent improvement in odds. Rate of point growth is too sluggish.
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CG, I see and read a lot of I'm for or I'm against the new SG point system on the SG discussions. Why not make a community poll about this change with a simple question and a simple yes or no answer?
Because this change is the talk of SG right now and most probably for some time to come.
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I think it's a good idea, but we should wait at least a month to let things play out (for example, old giveaways made before the chance to end) before coming to any conclusions yet. After the shock of the change wears off a bit and people can get used to it. :)
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After the shock of the change wears off a bit and people can get used to it. :)
This could go both ways because if one has a look a this poll besides the people who are for or against the changes there are also a number of people who are indifferent\undecided about the new points changes.
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I think that CG is gathering valuable data about ga entries/users behaviour with new system and he will decide what is best with that. Users voting in poll/reading forums are about 1% of all users anyway xD
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Users voting in poll/reading forums are about 1% of all users anyway xD
True, but then one would have at least an indication instead of both sides now claiming they are the majority of users either for or against these changes.
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True. But that poll will only tell us what majority of that 1% think xD
Also - this change is here for less than week - people should actually get some time with new system to judge it properly.just my opinion
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True. But that poll will only tell us what majority of that 1% think xD
On the positive side: it will be 1% active SG users. :D
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And as a bonus it would extinguish the wild thread fires of those saying that the for or the against side, concerning these point chances, are a majority without any substantial evidence.
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Yeah it would extinguish more.
It's human nature to dislike changes. And these kinds of rigorous changes can have a big effect on people.
The community can become divided which can have a very negative impact on the user base especially long term.
Especially when their beloved site seems to slowly turn into IndieGala, which would be very bad if it happened.
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I agree because now it's more like a contest between the no and the yes side in how much noise, threads and comments both sides can make. In such environment a community poll wouldn't be a bad idea especially knowing that at least the active SG users could vote.
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My opinion on this is that the only change needed is for the 5 points at 15 minutes to become 10 points at 15 minutes. This way people would visit the site twice a day and allow for a full sleep schedule (12h and a half) without worrying they reached their point cap while also keeping some of the enthusiasm of entering many giveaways. 28,800 points per month are still noticeably less than 45,000.
I'm not for the old system, it wasn't predictable and this was causing some anxiety about visiting the site more often because sometimes it was increasing with 10 points, other times with over 100 over a similar time period.
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When you disconnect the points earned from the number of giveaways made.
You will end up with either having too many points or too little points.
And obviously, the higher your level the more likely you will suffer from too little points.
And who is too blame for all this, bot users.
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After good bundle comes out we can get 300 points in around 1 hour.
Now no matter what it's almost 24h. It's bad, it's too damn slow. Previous system was better
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woooooow, thats why i have like 0 points to spent now oO
i joined 2, TWO GAs... pffft, now the chance to win is more 0 than ever :D
ok, didnt participate in the discussion mentioned in the first post, but im no fan of the new system...
now the GA makers have to make them longer. 2h or even one is way too fast now! we cant get enough points to get into those oO
i have a personal rule for my GAs: 2 days.thats a reasonable amount of hours for a GA i think :)
sayonara to everything under 6+, not whitelisted and not region restricted from me now! :(
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Hey, let's think further much much further and make a new hot point system change:
Let's give every user just 1 entry ticket per day. So, nobody has to worry about any points, can sleep the whole night, higher odds to win giveaways and less autojoiners. It's so frustrating to enter few giveaways per day and see some closed group giveaways and giveaways from whitelist are running out, because you don't have enough points for those giveaways. It makes no fun being on this site anymore.
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This part is out of date too.
How do I receive or earn more points (P)?
All users on the site are given an equal number of points, and you cannot do anything outside of waiting patiently to increase your number of points. The number of points being distributed to users is based on the number of giveaways being posted to the site, and you'll frequently see your points automatically rise throughout the day.
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Whole FAQ needs to be re-written. We can make GAs with free games for past 2 months, and FAQ still states that they're banned.
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These changes will surely lead to new interesting behaviors and ways to use the site. That is for sure. I personally find it fascinating, and I hope the changes are for the best of the community, the integrity of the service, and people behind it
I am wondering if the 1 hour giveaways make sense now, if the game given away is worth more than 20p (what you receive in one hour). I think it could be interesting if there was a minimum time required on creation of the giveaway, based on the points necessary to enter that giveaway.
example 1: if the game is worth 40p, then the giveaway should be at least 2 hours long, so that anyone could have the points necessary to enter, during that time, if they decide to get the points and use them on that one.
example 2: if the game is worth 20p, then the giveaway can be set to 1 hour or more.
lower than 20p, the current behaviour is still valid: the system defaults to a minimum of 1 hour
Developing on this idea, we could go even further, and provide the option to set even less time, based on the points:
example 3: if the game is 10p, minimum of 30 minutes
example 4: if the game is 5p, you can set up a giveaway that lasts for 15 minutes or more
less than that could be overkill, but who knows.... we could go as far as 1P min 3 minutes giveaway
This way you could avoid giveaway sniper bots (not going for max expenditure, but catching the shortest and most valuable giveaways, hammering the site constantly), and also the sentiment of 'missing good GAs' many people look like they are having now, because they don't have the points
Other than this, I find it a really interesting change, and discussion. cheers
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Maybe, but remember: If have no points, you probably entered a lot of giveaways recently, which means you can just withdraw from one of those to get your points back and enter the new one.
(On the other hand, short giveaways have the same problem that rapid point gains and a low point cap had in that they reward people who check the site obsessively, plus bots that do so automatically without getting caught, so it might be worth getting rid of them for that reason.)
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Thanks for the reply
I understand your point of view, but I think you need to take into account that withdrawing from already entered giveaways has the same issue: number of website accesses, or what I refer to as "sniper bots" in my post.
If, instead of that, you have the possibility to get the points needed for a giveaway just by sitting on your points, from a number of accesses perspective, you basically have none.
example: 20p giveaway that you want, so you can withdraw 20p from other giveaways you have entered. that could mean one to six accesses to the website, to withdraw those points, and another to enter the desired giveaway. Now automate that using a bot, and you have a sniper bot, that hammers the website not by spending, but by moving the points from different giveaways
Now what I propose:
example: 20p giveaway that you want, it lasts for at least 2 hours. You can just wait for the last 15 minutes of those 2 hours to get those 20p, and use them. Hammering the website? none, because the time a giveaway lasts if sufficient to get the points it needs
The extreme cases I posted could benefit from the same idea, but I agree and as I already wrote, they are pretty much overkill
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I was wondering too if the minimum of 1 hour should be increased. But in a bit different way than you.
Part of the reasoning behind the new point system is so people don't need to check the site so often to spend their points. But if there are 1 hour quick GAs, they will still miss those if not checking regularly.
A relative minimum time like you suggested is good but I'd make those times bigger. You're right that 1 hour is enough to get 20 points but more than 1 game is given away in an hour. I imagine like minimum 6 hours + 2 hours per 10 points or something similar.
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I think I understand your point of view, and I agree. The thing with missing GAs is interesting, because it is now basically a given. Before the change, you could always get more points, so every visit was fruitful, to get into more GAs, and avoid topping your point wallet. Now that the points given are set, no matter what you do, you will always end up having the same and the opportunity of joining more GAs is gone (other than your daily task of spending your entire point wallet). So if you make the giveaways last longer by default, you are just skewing the point expenditure into the future, but the possibilities are the same. The difference is that you are sitting on those points because the giveaway lasts longer.
I guess we agree on the minimum threshold for big point GAs, but in your opinion being more time. I find it a pretty interesting topic. Thanks for your reply
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Hmm, I guess you're right in this thing: if the total point value of created GAs (that you want to enter) exceed the point regeneration amount, you will have to give up on some of them, increasing their deadline will only delay it.
But a longer GA time can still have some advantages:
- If you are only interested in a few games so their value is below the regenerated amount, my version holds, and you don't need to check the site that often.
- You have more options when choosing which GAs you enter, and which you miss.
- If GAs last longer, more people can enter them.
I think these arguments have little to do with the new points system, only that my 1. point aims to decrease the need for frequent checks, which is one of the motives behind the new system as I understood.
I'm not sure what's the site owners' view on this, as their ad revenues are higher with people checking in more often, on the other hand, if people get addiction or feel that wasting too much time here doesn't worth it and leave instead, that's maybe even worse for revenues than less frequent visits.
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I agree that having longer GAs could palliate the sensation of missing out good GAs. Today, I found myself refreshing the site, and entering 1 hour wishlist giveaways, and re-arranging my points accordingly. The outcome, at least after 24 hours, is that I have entered meaningful GAs, instead of wishlist + point overhead in games I don't give a fuck about. I hope it is for the best, but it is clear the change will affect how many use the site. The thrill of checking if you maxed out your points is pretty much gone. cheers
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At first, it sounded like a good idea, but as days pass with the new system, the website seems less exciting to me. There was more incentive to visit the website before, so while I was around, I would browse the discussion topics, find about(and often win) games I didn't even know existed, check a trade or two and maybe vote in a poll. All these made me feel more at home and part of the community.
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This is great! Less points means people will be more careful about entering games they really want.
I do agree with the people that say it makes the whole thing a little less exciting though.
I guess it will take some time to see how this transforms the community in the next few months.
I think it will be for the best though!
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loosing the interest to visit this site... the new system is a fun killer for me... baddest change i noticed on SG...
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So far this seems to be working well to me. Going over the list of my wishlisted giveaways, all of them have fewer entries (presumably due to fewer people entering them just for a +1), which makes me think giveaways are more likely to be going to people who really want them.
And at the same time, the 500-point cap seems to be leaving me with plenty of points to spare as long as I only enter giveaways for stuff I really want myself.
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I have 500 points. I'm now going to go enter a few giveaways for some games I'd really like to play. I'm going to be very selective about what I enter, because I no longer have never-ending points.
And when I do win something, it's going to be something I really want to play right away, because I carefully chose which giveaways I entered, to be sure I wasn't wasting those points on something I really didn't want as much as I thought..
Thank you CG, for making sure that when I do win something, it's going to be fully appreciated and something I truly want to win and play.
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Even if I had 500 points I could do it and I have 200 wishlisted games... More than average.for the first time I went to the recommended section and entered for Escapists 2.
So +1 thank you CG for making a really good change to the system. I can have a higher chance to win and appreciate my wins further.
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Add a current HB monthly game and you'll find something to enter ;-)
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You can't run out of points if you pre-buy everything you'd want to enter that sounds like a pretty crap pro-tip (¬､¬)
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Yeah but if I want the bundle I need to pre buy it! If its a normal bundle then I will enter like crazy and aim for higher levels and quick giveaways when and if I have points!
Kind of like your tuna compared to my salmon :3
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Yeah, I know the feeling *looks at the pile of monthly games sitting in the corner*
Also please no fish-shaming, every fishie is beautiful and delicious
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Yes! The ever growing pile ;-;
Except from tuna... That is not beautiful or delicious D:
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Well, as you can see I'm still trying to win bundle games from a bundle from weeks ago... Even when I had unlimited points I couldn't win.
Most games I end up buying cause I'm not lucky xD
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A self-fulfilling prophecy ^^
Points are clearly not relevant in your case but owning/buying most bundles, so skipping a few should significantly increase your chances ;-)
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Even still, that release day you may lose out some chances. Its the same with me and regular bundles. I'm not arsed about missing a few level 0 or 1 giveaways... Like when I am Bread was last in a bundle... I missed so many giveaways.
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That sounds fair enough tbh ... the whole point spam cause a bundle with 50 games for a dollar came out was kinda ridiculous .
Now i just know i can check out daily and be fine on the point influx ....
Also that should fuck the scripters ... which seem to complain here quite a bit ... a big time .
So yeah ... get rekt kids .
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I say that system doesn't couple well with bundle floods. the new system is good in general, but it should be coupled with the old (probably just a fraction) so when more GAs come in people have a bit more points to spend
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I lost my respect to you cg. New point system much limited than previous for top active users like me. Feel sad :(
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My ratio is ok enough for my time and activity which i give this site. So please be quiet if you cannot say something clever.
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I don't use any scripts of this site. Btw scripts was be banned here more than 1 year ago if you don't know kid.
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141,327 entirs in 2 years, for suuure... :'D
try to fool another one...^^
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I don't care about your childish opinion. Tnx for adding me on blacklist jealous cryboy!
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don't hate... just point out you are a script user... anything else is a big fat lie... :)
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If you haven't any proofs please keep silence. You have more than 3 years exp on this site and so dumb.
I hope you find wisdom in your life.
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Your number of entries compared to the 2 years of membership...
Only people using scripts have that high amount of entries, normal users have not...
Keep up you lie... :)
EDIT ooohh, you made such a nice comment on your profile... <3
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- 2.5 years. 2. You're really autistic person without any logic and expierience on this site. Shame to you. I have clear conscience in real life and internet space so jealous person like you haven't any reason to blame and judge me. Karma overtake you! Cheers!
P.S. Yes, I marked you as a slanderer person which pissed strangers instead of keep love and friendship!
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Talkin about karma and logic at the same moment is very cute... and im not jealous on your 500+ cappy wins... :P i have enough to play and only games i want... good for you you have so many games, why not, i dont want you anything bad... BUT YOU ARE OR WAS A SCRIPTUSER... :D
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Repeat you again - SG blocked any scripts more than 1.5 years ago. I never used any scripts and if you stupid troll it's your problem, not mine. If you cannot visit SG 3-4 times everyday it's doesn't mean what another one cannot do this. Leave me alone please, slanderous kid! People like you will have your reward soon! I don't care about blacklists from greedy and disingenuous persons like you.
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When you are done with insulting and bible like phrases you can start to admit that you used scripts... :) and you can still use scipts on this site, your info is just wrong... why do you think they made this change...? one reason were people like you with unlogical high amount of entries compared to their time on SG... did you read this...?
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/kGtHd/point-distribution
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Leave me alone! cg or another moders can check my honesty. I hope in your pathetic life you will paid full price for your slander and lies without proofs & evidences.
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Stop calling 140k+ entries in 2,5 years honestly/legit...!
And i have no need to insult you... :) Just this^
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Your little brain cannot accept true reality. You need a doctor. Please don't write me anything. This discussion is over!
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Why you still reply then...? Feeling guilty...?
BTW: even most script users have fewer entries than you in this time and you try to say you are such a pro SG user that you make more entries like most scripts...? :)
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Jealous kid I told you - leave me alone. Proof your pathetic theory or end your exist!
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you have more entries in a specific time than most scriptusers wich all have more entries than normal users... your logic still failing on this...?
I still have no need to insult you... :)
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I understand that 140k entries seems incredibly suspicious, but reviewing a sample of logged data, it does appear FallAlone was not using any scripts, while joining giveaways at a daily rate to reach 140k.
So, I don't believe FallAlone was doing anything wrong, he was just using the points that he had available. That's part of the reason for this change though, I feel we need to put a cap on the rewards of user activity at some point.
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Ty cg for your confirm. I'm really appreciated your site and don't leave it even after points restriction. Wish you best ideas in the future and hope someday SG will rise as never before!
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We still think you use scripts... :D Cg just can't confrim you used scripts... but everyones with logic and math will see your entries and time here on SG and realize that you use scripts...!
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People trust cg more than pitiful nonames like you. Your's and other nonames words cost nothing. Keep living your pathetic life and judge other people which better than you. It's your pitiful destiny! Nodoby loves you coz you deserve this for your evil and lies!
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Nice insults but what about you using scripts... did you stop using them or will you continue since Cg can't see you run some...? it's not hard to code scripts that are not visible for admins on sites like this...
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Sorry but 140k+ entries is not close to anything normal... he has more than every script user, maybe his is just better coded or whatever... some scripts are modified to act like normal users and don't spam entries... some have a setup to just enter specific ones wich will look like normal user login... nice you try to defend him but comparing to users and the script using ones nobody can tell me he is not using scripts and is doing this on its own...
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This discuss is over troll! You're lose! I skoro tu sgniew 4erb' navoznui!
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Don't try to argue with a "paranormal investigator". You will lose.
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Doing this could mean i allready lost my mind... :P
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Called "Jealous trolls will die for their slander and lie".
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Why do you always want people to die...? Is this bad site effect of scriptusing...?
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Liars and slanderers like you deserve this for evil which they bring to fair people. Did you see cg confirm? Awaiting your apologizes!
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You are a script user, stop telling lies...!
You can't see if someone uses scripts if they are well coded... :3
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Facepalm. I almost trust your high school expierience about script coded ) Accept reality! You're pathological liar! You're need help! Visit expensive psychotherapist before is 2 late! Farewell!
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I don't need all this trash talk like you do and insulting and...
you are a script user and everyone can see this... :)
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ONLY if you use american system to write numbers. Otherwise this dot in the middle of solution looks weird.
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English in general, actually. The sensible system of using dot as a thousand separator and comma as a decimal separator is mostly for continental European languages and for territories that fell outside the British influence.
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I thought that it's the same as with metric system. Everyone normal uses it except America.
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I'm not perfect but I'm on the side of goodness. I don't lie and fight for justice. I don't use easy ways for everything. Before you judge me make sure what you are perfect!
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Ty for 75 blacklists. I still keep go on my road with clear honor and kindness and you will gone on your way of judge and hate! Cheers paskydu kulavi! Vengeace is my!
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damn, i'm even blacklisted by top users ;_;
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He started to post on my profile now <3 (Don't know in which language, but I think I get the idea about what) Got to love people who take SG personally.
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man-up if you're gonna insult someone.
Liars and slanderers like you deserve this for evil which they bring to fair people.
hypocrite.
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U trolled me first. I delete you from blacklist. I'm not hypoctite like you and other 75 empty people which judge and blacklist me for my achievement. I can whitelist this 75. I'm better person in action! Hate me, coz you're all don't!
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Yep, as much as I hate this new system, it's suddenly started to make sense to me.
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Hello Mister 140k+ entries in 2 years but i dont use scripts... :)
How is your day...?
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there should be a poll about that, not only discussion
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There was an informal one here fwiw...
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/B89x5/sonew-point-systemdo-you-like-it
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The new system is plain boring. It was more fun to discover games giveaways through the web. Now we have so few points that we can only enter a few whishlist giveaways and there is no search for new interesting giveaways.
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i like the new system (the idead that u dont have to check the page every hour), 20P/h are way too few points though...
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I think having GAs costing between 1P...50P to enter is too large difference still.. So this problem could be better fixed by lowering the maximum entry point requirement even more. I think it should be lowered from 50P to 20P, or maybe even to 15P or 10P.
Another idea is to remove the connection to Steam Store price and use some other metric to determine how many points are required to enter each GA. Some ideas I posted earlier that would be better aligned with the fixed rate of getting points: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/mg3twcv
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Interestingly enough, I enter the site every hour now, because the points are less and there is a wishlisted giveaway every hour. I have wishlisted only games that I will play 100% in the future, but I have a lot of work and I don't play much per week (I also play online games while there are still servers, because I've seen them close some - like Batman: Arkham Origins for example). Still, I can never reach the new cap of the site because there are too many giveaway I like to enter - and since i win usually once every 1 or 2-3 months on average (although I have been entering for a couple of bundled games I wanted the last few months)...
If your aim was for people to enter the site less - the opposite effect is achieved for me, personally as I see I am literally entering every 1 hour instead of every 4-5 hours...
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I like the old system more :( Now i can barely enter few giveaways from my wishlist.
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sooooo, why not doing a captcha for entering a GA? i know, i know! WE ALL HATE CAPTCHA´S, but wouldnt that stop the bot spam? why making a crapy system bots still can abuse, but hurts all the other normal users?
for the: "i dont have time to check every half hour to spent my points!"-problem: there is no good solution! one has 24h time in a day to be on SG, another has only 1h, thats life! its like crying you cant be in a raid in an MMO every evening because you have a life! good for you! but demanding a change so there is only one raid on the day YOU can be in, and killing the fun for the others isnt going to work!
change the maximum poiints to a limit based on online time maybe, so the always on ppl can only have like 100 points at max, so they HAVE to spent them, and the others get more, maybe to a max of 1000!
but this system now is BS! :)
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This is exactly what I was thinking too, captcha would indeed help with scripters more than the fixed point system. People wouldn't like it at fist of course but they would have way better chances at winning than right now, they would start to love it in the long run I bet.
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I liked the old system, actually matched the activity on the site, would have gladly accepted a captcha on here rather than this. Killed much of the activity to me.
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A simple captcha and the old point system will works for the best
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Hi SG,
After the recent discussion, updates to the point system are now live. They are as follows:
I think these adjustments will provide a number of improvements for the site. However, I'll keep an eye on user feedback, and try to make sure the changes are working as intended and meeting the needs of the community.
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