Capitalization is a waste of time
It's snowing in UK currently, don't come and tell me that it's because I don't wear enough clothes that I got unwanted attention...
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Saw this.
I've personally had to stick around my older sister on public university grounds because she's had cases of strangers following her around and people trying to hit on her. We're five years apart, by the way. I'm (unfortunately) not a real intimidating guy; I'm barely taller than 5'1" and the only muscles I've built are from four years of track & field - the type of guy other guys don't take seriously. The fact she needs a guy around her just to discourage people from becoming bold when she's alone says enough, and I've even met some of these bold-ass people. The ones I've met were never pleasant.
Then there was the times I wasn't around. She noticed this one guy who would come around during the times she was going out of or toward class, and every time she saw him, he was following her. It was the same guy, and eventually she had to take other routes just to see if he was following her, and he still did. Eventually, she ended up having to walk around the back of the buildings, out of sight, just to get anywhere without him. There was another guy who went up to her, was hitting on her, and when she refused him several times, he just tells her, "Well, you're ugly anyway." Another time she's been grabbed by the arm and pulled around, and she's had to drag her feet and pull herself away from him. And this is out in the broad daylight on public university grounds.
While the topic is something I'm real aware about, it's good for someone to share something in hopes someone gets some understanding out of this. By personal experience, just waving this off as a "feminist idea" is just downplaying the reality that there is not only a serious problem with people feeling entitled to someone else's body, but there is also a serious problem with failing to recognize a problem because people have been conditioned to recognize that an issue is by what it's associated with.
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I wish some of the "naysayers" in this thread, who claim this sort of thing doesn't happen, had the opportunity to hang with me last night at work.
You see, I was personal security for a very high profile female professional wrestler (not allowed to say who), and the things I saw and heard made me want to crush some skulls (in a purely humanitarian sense, of course - to keep them from procreating and polluting our planet with more stupidity winkwink ). They groped and grasped at her, many times inappropriately, and cursed obscene sexual remarks and insults at her if they didn't get a hug, or the autograph they wanted, or a second selfie. She was already running late and had limited time, and still took plenty of time out of her day to address her fans. The wrestlers actually get fined if they're late, and the later they are, the higher the fine. Multiple times I had to step in and forcibly stop men from "misbehaving" (there was also a sizable police presence on-site and several arrests were made), and several of them did this in the presence of their spouse or significant other, not to mention in the presence of her bodyguard and other enforcement.
More surprising than anything, most actually felt they were entitled to behave this way. I get paid to remain calm and cool, primarily for the safety of the client(s), but I tell ya - I was utterly appalled and disgusted by some of the behavior I saw.
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The bottom line is she shouldn't have to defend herself. That sort of harassment should never happen in the first place.
And why did a wrestler have security? First, she was barely above 5 feet tall, there were thousands of fans, and those wrestlers are multi-million dollar assets -- the company doesn't want them getting hurt. Why would you send a Ferrari into a demolition derby when you could send a tank instead?
For that reason, I've also worked for 7 foot tall, 300+ pound wrestlers before. I'm not a multi-million dollar asset. ;)
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You must be one of those "expendable extra wrestlers" WWE secretly hires.
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Hang on! You are telling me the average grown up Wrestling fan is less educated and cultured than the average sports fan or just people in general ?
I am shocked. Shocked, I tell ya.
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It happens nearly every time I work for a woman, particularly performers, though.
But yes, I'd say it takes someone extremely uneducated and uncultured to behave in that manner.
What disturbs me is how some of the women have normalized it - become used to it, believing it "comes with the territory" of being a popular public figure. Needless to say, it shouldn't come with any territory and shouldn't be tolerated on any level.
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I saw this happen in both rural "hangout spots" and cities where a group of guys are just playing cards by stairs or ledges staring at people. I was raised to never catcall others and if I'm looking for a partner then I should go to a matchmaker instead. Catcalling is 100% a nuisance and unwanted interaction. How is catcalling acceptable in any form??? The only place catcalling was somewhat tolerable was in the Red Light District where it was full of love hotels, sex shops, brothels, bars, strip clubs, and host and hostess clubs.
I honestly want higher fines for this type of behavior like littering, catcalling, stalking, loitering around a business without purpose. There was actually a group of male activists who went around catcalling the guys who were heard catcalling the women.
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Because I'm tired of getting catcalled and watching others in the street receive the same treatment, I decided to share some information with everyone in SG hoping that they can stop doing it and/or talk to their friends to make them reconsider their behavior.
Street harassment is unwanted and unwelcomed public attention, most often directed at women, which is demeaning and damaging. Itβs not a private matter but one that should concern everyone.
If you have trouble empathising with strangers, then think about your mother, sister, or girlfriend. Would you enjoy watching people catcalling and telling them nasty things? How do you think they would feel about it?
On an average day I go out twice and I get at least one guaranteed catcall. On weekends or when I go out, for example to a club, it gets worse because groups of people feel more empowered to do so.
A few months ago I was walking with a friend and one guy said things and started to follow us. After a while it ended with me turning around and pepper-spraying his face, then running away in case he could fight back. This is the kind of violence it generates.
We had a rough rest of the day and were shaken up. I didn't enjoy doing that at all, but he had to be stopped. I also like to think the guy didn't enjoy it either.
So in the end, what did he achieve? Nothing.
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OK, I'm gonna clear this up since some people like to assume things just to blame me for defending myself.
For the backward people, this was in june when I wasn't wearing "provocative shorts and t-shirts" clothes. These are the "nice compliments" I got amongst others i don't even want to repeat here and/or I want to forget:
hey girl nice butt
does your friend wanna F with me too?
hey reply bitch
come here lesbos!
GONNA EAT YOUR ASS
Walked one block with that guy which was 1 meter away from us. He wasn't shouting from the other side of the street, he wasn't half a block away, he wasn't sitting in the sidewalk. He was right behind us.
He got warned to leave us alone during the whole 1-block fast-paced walk. I didn't stop to "discuss" because I'm not a 1.9 meters 120kg guy, so I'm not putting my friend and I at risk at 8:30pm in the street.
You read the "You're not alone" thread?
Well, most of the stuff that I shared about me is linked directly to an experience related to this, but I wasn't walking with a friend and there were two guys instead of one following me. You can guess what happened next since I wasn't able to defend myself.
But of course, street harassment is harmless and nothing else can go wrong, nor it can trigger unhappy memories from past experiences.
Think a bit before judging others so quickly assuming they overreact when they feel in danger.~
I know I probably won't convince anyone catcalling to stop by posting this (it doesn't hurt to try), but if your friends or co-workers do it, you can persuade or talk to them and see if they get it. There's nothing worse than being in a group of friends and allowing them to act like idiots.
It's disgusting and demeaning, stop it. You're hurting people with your actions and makes you look like a fool.
β€οΈοΈ FAQ, in case you're gonna post one of these comments I get all the time.
- But some women like to be catcalled!
Yes, there's also men that like to get hit in the face with a hammer. So using the same logic, I should go out and hit all men with a hammer in hopes they enjoy it?
- Don't be so sensitive, ignore it.
No, it reaches a point it can't be ignored. It's not an isolated issue once per month or in certain situations so you can avoid it. It also affects me a lot depending on my mood, so when you feel like crap and you get catcalled, things get worse.
- So you want others to come to your rescue when some stranger catcalls you? That will end up with me getting in a fight!
I'm not asking people to fight for me, just them to stop doing it, spread the word, and discourage people in their group of friends from being disrespectful.
- If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
1: Don't blame the victim.
2: I dress as I please. It's my body, not someone else's.
3: It doesn't matter if it's winter and I'm wearing a jacket, or summer with shorts and a t-shirt. Some people will be idiots anyway and say things.
- I bet you like it when a handsome guy catcalls you!
Irrelevant. I expect respect from everyone.
- What about men? They also get harassed!
I'm very aware guys also get harassed by both men and women, but this thread is about girls. Feel free to create another thread for that issue, and I will support it.
- So this is just a misandrist rant!
It's not. If you feel targeted by anything I said, then it's not because you're a man, it's because you actions ressemble what it's said here.
- Meh, it could be worse.
It could be worse, but it SHOULD be better. Also, normalizing this behavior makes it even more painful for victims.
- Women also catcall!
I never said they don't, but for each woman that catcalls me, i get 500 guys. So the issue at hand is the one I shared.
- This thread offends me!
That tells a lot about you. Log off, take your time, and think about it.
- This thread is inappropriate for SG, please close and delete it!
Go tell that to all other threads about awareness, politics, religion, sports, disasters, etc.
π Some info and articles:
Stop Street Harassment
Wikipedia definition
Documenting women's stories of street harassment
Why we need to take street harassment seriously
Dutch woman faces down her catcallers by posting selfies with them
π Videos:
Au bout de la rue (Court-mΓ©trage) - france
10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman - usa
Woman is filmed walking London's streets for secret documentary - uk
Male actor dresses as woman to experience sexual harassment - egypt
Sons React to Their Moms Getting Catcalled - usa
π And some pictures:
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