What are you planning to play on it game-wise? Cause that makes a difference for the choices to make.
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I plan to play nba2k18, assassins creed origins, some other games that are not FPS games... I know the system is overkill for that but I like overkill ;)
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Definitely overkill, you could easily save a lot of cash and still have prime fps with those games. But hey: if you've got the cash to spare then it's cool :).
For the cooler: Noctua is still awesome. Hmm, something like that NH-U12S would be good without being absurdly huge.
For the PSU: I'd suggest a corsair, they're quite nice. Since you seem to have enough money I'd say an AX or HX at least. Will last quite long, and no issues with line stability when overclocking. Oh and modular, much better for airflow (and looks)
The case is totally personal. I'd suggest making sure it has dust filters, you want the case to be clean, both for perfomance (and looks.) Perhaps a sidewindow to show off the gear if you're into that.
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he need to plan for all AAA game that coming our for last 5 years that is better plan to build the PC .
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You won't be able to use the freesync feature in that monitor with a nvidia gpu. Or did you just choose it for the other specs?
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I chose it because it is having a huge black friday price cut. I don't think the cost vs benefit for gsync is worth it - but I could be convinced otherwise.
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Nah, your card supports fast sync, which essentially leads to the same result while being completely without additional costs and being compatible with any monitor.
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from my experience fast sync is not even in the same leauge than g-sync for freesync.
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I can only speak from personal experience myself, and I noticed barely any improvement of G-Sync over Fast sync, if any at all. But tbh I never was one to be really sensitive to stuff like irregular frame spacing, so maybe I am not the best example :D However, all the people I recommended to first give fast sync a try before spending several hundred bucks more on a G-Sync monitor came to me with positive feedback and gratefulness for saving their wallets :D But I can imagine that people that tend to be very sensitive about frame spacing and so on can tell more of a difference between the to mechanics
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I would also not buying a Monitor with G-Sync :)
And I also don't think, that it's worth the price asked for it. But if you fall in lover frames you can feel a difference.
But I would also never buy a curved 27" display. :D
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I have a curved 34" samsung that i got for free through work but its 60hz refresh and I can tell the fps difference between the monitor and my laptops built in display (I have a MSI gs73vr hooked up to the screen)
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but 27" and 34" is a big difference.
For me it just feels strange with such a small curved (just tested it at some traidefairs).
I would more go with higher resolution than curved.
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For fast sync to do its job you need the game to run at least 2x the refresh rate. Fast sync is useless at low frame rates (<2*refresh rate): it becomes the same as standard vsync. So fast sync is only useful for 60 Hz monitors. And the moment the fps dips below 2*refresh rate you'll get stutter (if the fps jump a lot you'll also get stutter. I've found it's better to set up a 120 fps frame limiter), exactly what gsync/freesync solve.
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Weird. Well, i dont know about the technical Backgrounds, but I Play on 4k, so i usually dont get 120fps in new Games. still, i dont experience Stutter, also No Input lag if i drop below 60fps, like it Happens with vsync.
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If you want this monitor, maybe think about going with the vega 64 or vega 56...
But since these chips are missing customdesigns i would not go with amd and so i would also not go with this screen.
for more see my answer below
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While those support freesync, they are only (lol such a ridiculously high standard I am setting) competitive with a 1080/1070 rather than a 1080Ti. Besides getting one of those at AMD's MSRP is incredibly hard anyways due to supply shortages - there's a markup literally everywhere.
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Yeah that's true. But I also think the 1080TI is over the top and is not a good deal.
The Vegas are on Stock again. The supplyproblem are not anymore. But the problem with the customdesigns stays and the cooling is not that great.
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While it is in stock, it's quite ridiculously marked up from AMD's recommended price (just like the RX580 which is imo probably the best midrange card there is atm - if sellers stuck to its recommended price tag of 200$)
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why not AMD? inter is expansive and with AMD you can get same thing game will support DX12 soon that why I work on AMD not Intel .
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i'm an amd fan but the vega are not that great and in midprices the 1060 and 1050TI is bit better because of the price (RX 5*0 are to expensive and still have stock problems because of mining)
The biggest problem with vega is, that there are no custom designs and the cooler is not that good. Also the price is a bit to high.
Vega has a lot of power but for gaming they can't show it atm. Maybe this will be different in 3-4 months but then nvidia will maybe show pascal.
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AMD themselves admit that Navi is meant to be their big graphics jump. Vega just caught them up to Nvidia (barely), but there's an insane markup from their MSRP, so if you look at cost-vs-performance, the Nvidia cards edge past for gaming use.
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That build can adequately run CK II. You've got everything you need.
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why 7700k ?
Your planning on spending some high $ here, strange choice...
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Get an 8700K. 50% better multi-threaded performance then a 7700K
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i read an article that the 8 series doesn't really add gaming performance since the games won't use the additional cores. Is that not accurate?
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With that logic, you would be better off with a Ryzen then. They have the same game performance too, but for cheaper, and if you do not plan to utilise the additional processing power of the Intel i7 for work, might as well save that 100-200 bucks.
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Needs a CPU cooler.
I'd go with a Noctua NH-U12S , which I consider the best overall air cooler on the market (There are ones that cool a little better, but they're gigantic). The Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is another popular choice, but its kind of a PITA to install by comparison.
For power supplies, I know the Gold rated EVGA ones are extremely well rated: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017
EVGA is a great brand most of the time, so long as you avoid their budget stuff (never buy a Bronze rated EVGA power supply).
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yeah, I don't know what PSU i would need really, or know if psu brands really have any difference at all for that matter?
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As someone already said go for a t1 psu, don't go cheap here. I haven't built a pc for a long time so not sure what brands are hip now. I've been running an Antec 850psu for almost 9 years now, haven't had a hiccup.
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For CPU air cooler the hyper 212 evo would do just fine. For the case, that is for the most part a personal preference. I like corsair or nzxt brands ( I currently have the corsair carbide 400c). Not sure about PSU, but get a good one, EVGA, Corsair, etc. I guess 650w/700w will be more than enough.
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Got a pretty similar rig, though 32 GB of RAM is way too overpowered if you just want to game on that PC. I recommend a fully modular PSU. If you want to check, this is my PC. The cooler is incredibly quiet, but to be fair, it is HUGE :D
EDIT: The PSU is way too OP for my specs though, 600W would have been enough by far.
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Second that. If you have a fixed budget right now, drop down to 16 GB for now, and spend that extra cash on some other parts. DDR4 RAM is very expensive right now, and it's very easy to add more later on when prices are more reasonable.
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Thirded. 16GB will last the life of the computer and probably the next. 32 is really for non-gaming stuff.
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32GB it might be too much for now but how about 2020 or 2021 ?? he better get them now if he need more over time he will don't pay for it .
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That doesn't make much sense, considering that a) 16GB will be sufficient for quite a long time still, and b) then there could be much faster technology available, and it would have been completely unnecessary to buy capacity you never used.
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Just buy it when you need it? It's not soldered on or anything. Buying two separate 16 gig kits would either cost the same or less.
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I do not see a power supply or a cooler.
I guess you will see the Hyper 212 EVO mentioned a lot. Well, you can safely forget it, that thing has been obsolote for nearly three years now, but just like how people still use WinRAR ten years after its usefulness ended, that old warhorse etched itself in the collective memory.
You can try a Cryorig H7, it is the best air cooler in the price/performance/size trio, or maybe most any Noctua tower coolers, if your case is big enough to fit one of those.
As for PSU, just get anything that is at least Tier 1 or at worst Tier 2. There are many brands and series to choose from, luckily, although the Corsair modular ones are probably the most popular (although I prefer SuperFlower or EVGA's rebrands of SuperFlower).
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+1 on the Cryorig H7!
212 EVO used to be the go to cooler for budget builds, but the H7 has tested to be a few degrees cooler with lower RPM and has better clearance for RAM. I also hear the 212 EVO is more difficult to install.
I picked one up for my build for only 32.16 after tax, they even give you a card which doubles your warranty and a tube of their CP7 thermal paste.
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See for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n47WBQI31eE
It is a pain in the ass, yes. Not the absolute worst I ever met, but ranks pretty high.
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The Screen only displays fhd and for this, the 1080TI is over the top. Also it features AMD FreeSync and you are going with Nvidia.
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have you ever tried curved displays? It works nice on big(!) tvs but at least for me, it's strange and not that great on pc monitors
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ram is expensive these days so maybe start with 16gb. It will be still enough for everything even for the next 1-2 years and you still can buy more ram later
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if it's just for gaming your cpu is way to much. Intel Core i5-8400 is the thing you should go with (or if you want to overclock Intel Core i5-8600K)
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you can find your OS for way less money on ebay and co.
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ask yourself, what do you need as mainboard. if you go with the 8400 you don't need a Z mainboard. even if you go with a "k" cpu, anything that is called "gamer" is most of the time to expensive
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i7 is not always better than i5!
For your questions:
Case: BitFenix Shinobi, be quiet! Pure Base 600, Fractal Design Core 2300.... But it's a question of taste. Window or not, more fancy design...
Cooling: be quiet! Dark Rock 3, Alpenföhn Brocken 3, Scythe Mugen 5
Powersuply: bequity, cosair, Enermax, evga... if you don't go for the cheapest most of them are great. Would never go without modular cables anymore but it's a question as taste
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The thing is, that even if he wanted to go for the 8400 he would be forced to go with a Z board as there are no B or H ones yet.
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oh. wow you are right. release for H370 and B360 in Q1/18 this just showes, that intel needed to rush after ryzen
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I can't know why, but I'd assume the same. The 8400 is a good CPU, but there is no reason as to why to buy it right now.
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I am ok with my cpu being 'way to much'. In fact, I want to ensure that it is. I would like to have a decent life cycle on this build. I wouldn't be opposed to an i7 8th gen either
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then go with 8th gen :)
but the pricejump from very good to the best is most of the time not worth it.
You'll need to change the 1080TI at the same time as the 1080 I'm pretty sure. So the TI don't give you that much more lifecycle or power (especially on 1080p)
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RAM's probably twice the price it should be ... the situation might change in the months to come. 16GB should be enough for any game + browsing. Unless you're using it for another purpose. You could easily get more later if you need it (it can't get more expensive than now).
With the top of the line GPU you're willing to throw at it a much more capable CPU would serve you longer. More games that
make use of multi-core CPU's should come out and render quad core as "still usable/good for mid range GPU's" for those games.
Even a 8600k (6c/6t) is sweating like a pig at 100% utilization of all 6 cores in A. Creed O.
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this is not a normal case.
I would bet my last penny if you will have problems with a 8600k in the next... 4 years in any game. Most of the time the GPU will be the bottelneck.
I mean, if you look at this video you see, that more cores don't do much on fps. and we are seeing 720p with a 1080ti. Sometimes the 8600k is even faster than the 8700k.
I don't own the game but from seeing this, bad optimization is not even the right word.
But on GPU I'm on your side even with the screen the op postet. With only 1080p a gtx 1080TI is way to expensive and even the 1070(TI?) would be a better way.
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Yeah just about any game is bottle-necked by the GPU and the game settings. The benchmark should the highest settings with only 720p to make sure it'll stress the CPU (resolution would be handled by the GPU). Interesting to see how it utilizes 100% of a 8600k thats barely released -> certainly not "future-proof" with a top of the line GPU. Isn't NVidia Volta "GTX 2080" supposed to launch sometime Q1 2018?
Heard about Denuvo slowing "something" down, but unless there's a measurable benchmark for it or 2 version of some game its speculation ... http://www.game-debate.com/news/22656/denuvo-pc-performance-impact-tested-doom-benchmarks-with-and-without-denuvo-drm
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I think it's not only denuvo but the put another drm system on top of it...
I would not say that the 8600k is not futureproof.
Don't expect a large movement in ghz numbers in the next few years. With coming to more cores this will be the next step. But 6 cores will be enough also in 2020. I'm still using an old i5 4440 (4 years old, low midclass back then) and can play nearly everything on 1080p.
I can understand why the op want to have a Intel and I know the game-preformance of ryzen is, atm, not on level with intel. But I for myself would go with the AM4 platform. I would be save for even 7-8 years i guess because you can upgrade the cpu later...
That's why I updated the "youthcenter pc-room" where I'm working a bit with ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1060.
If we need to update in 3-4 years we can just change the gpu and cpu (cpu prob. not that fast tbh) and don't throw a lot of money out of the window.
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Won't lie ... "not future-proof" might only apply theoretically for some over the top, CPU-heavy AAA-VR game (requiring 90 fps+).
As for right now? The ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1060 you mentioned are probably the best pick for a new build, also your i5 4440 should
be good enough until 1080p and 60 FPS isn't enough anymore (3y+?).
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will still upgrade the cpu sooner or later :)
hope op will read our little chat and can take something out of it :)
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That is only because he ran it on an Nvidia card. Nvidia, as usual, fucked up the drivers and they for some reason want to calculate everything through Core #0 only on that game. Probably once they release an update (if not already), that benchmark would show a different face.
Not that much though, since the game has a copy-protection on its copy-protection (they added an encryption layer on the Denuvo service protecting it), so it is bottlenecking any CPU on any clock speed until someone manages to crack it.
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Yup looks weird ... might be the windows system taxing core0 additionally -
had checked up on it to compare CPU utilization, not much else.
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1080 Ti is an overkill if you're just gonna use it for 1080p 144Hz gaming. 1080 is more than enough, even a 1070 Ti is quite capable of doing ultra 1080p with 144 fps.
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The 1070Ti is such a strange card that doesn't really fit into Nvidia's lineup. It's honestly better just to go for a 1080 at that point. The 1080Ti does offer a greater amount of future-proofing, especially if OP wants to upgrade to a 4k monitor in the future, or try out VR. If they can afford it, why not?
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I use a 980ti at 1440p and it maximizes almost all settings (for games with a dozen plus settings) for current SP games and with a constant 60fps. Unless you want to play something in the vein of Serious Sam 3 with a dozen people or Earth Defense Force 4.1 co-op (massive and constant explosions around other people). then go with the above suggestions. You can safely play on 1440p with the 10XX series.
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Lol that's prices before your Black Friday thing? Come to Aus where it's $1200 for a 1080ti and 70% more for that ram
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Completely useless comment but:
400$ for RAM, what the actual fuck? I never realised how much more DDR4 costs compared to DDR3 (I last upgraded my PC when DDR4 was just becoming a thing so I never bothered to check) o.O I paid 210€ for 32GB and I do not have the cheapest RAM out there.
Also unless you are planing to do something that eats up a lot of RAM it seems a little bit overkill. The max I ever managed to use while gaming was just over 17GB with 2 games open and I am one of those idiots who constantly has +10 browser tabs open with a lot of extensions.
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RAM prices have spiked in 2017, wasn't nearly as expensive last year.
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Yea I know (I bought 2x8GB for 90€ in 2015 and another 2x8GB of the same exact RAM in August this year for 120€, my wallet wasn't happy). But it is still insane.
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From your numbers, it looks like you'd have to pay 40$ more for DDR4 than DDR3 right now. The difference between those two isn't too bad, more the difference from a couple of years ago.
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Might just be that we are getting screwed over here in Europe (who am I kidding, we always are when it comes to hardware prices), but DDR4 always seems double of the price of DDR3. Prices taken from a German online store that usually has stuff the cheapest.
Cheapest 8GB of DDR3 ram: 31€
Cheapest 8GB of DDR4 ram: 68€
Cheapest 16GB of DDR3 ram: 77€
Cheapest 16GB of DDR4 ram: 140€
..... except for 32GB kits for some reason I fail to understand.
Cheapest 32GB of DDR3 ram: 256€ (buy 2x16GB and call it a day? WTF is this price)
Cheapest 32GB of DDR4 ram: 277€
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Ok this is completely relevant:
So how are you holding the beer with your little mouse paws?
Is it a tiny glass...or a tiny bottle?
These are important questions you know.
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I will get right to answering this important question. I know that the answer to it can mean the difference between life and death!
I have a tiny mouse sized beer glass I can drink from ^^ See image bellow
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Awesome, I was hoping it would be glasses.
Much better than trying to carry around a huge bottle as a mouse.
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Hmmmmm a bottle might be more handy though as it is harder to spill with little mouse paws... I should get some mouse sized bottles ;)
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32 gig kits are for the guys with too much money to throw around lmao
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I'd suggest ditching the 32GB of RAM, opting for 16GB and going for the 8700k. The prices on RAM nowadays are sky high and you can upgrade that in the future anyway (in case prices drop). I don't know what's the price and availability like in your country, but the 8700k is the king in gaming. You could also get an AIO water cooler (don't know why you are hesitating on that one). A fully modular PSU, with 0db mode under a certain load and a 80+ Gold rating, would be sweat.
I also don't see the point of getting a 27" curved monitor. Curved makes sense on big displays and it's almost irrelevant on the smaller ones. Moreover, as it was already mentioned, you won't be able to take advantage of the Freesync feature. If you are able to find a 27" non curved one with Gsync at the same price or a bit more, I suggest going for that one. Unless of course it's an extremely good offer.
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Black friday sale of that monitor is $279.99. 144hz, 1ms response time... sounds like a steal to me
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I got my 24" 144Hz one for 300€ 2 years ago. Considering that prices in Europe are 20% or so higher, I don't think it's that good of an offer. However, as I already said, I don't know what's the prices are like in US. I just believe that a Gsync 144" non curved is way better even if it's a bit more expensive.
EDIT: Now that I've checked the same monitor here costs 430€, so the deal is better than I thought. Yet, I still stand my ground :D
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2.000$ for pc specs only omg man :O 15 fps in cs 1.6 max!!!
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The last modification I made to my gaming rig was a 4TB HGST drive (~$100 on sale at the time). I love never having to even think about whether I have enough space or go looking for what to uninstall. You can always add storage later, even as an external drive, and you may already have a NAS, but given that many of us now have 60GB downloads to add to our Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Blizzard, and Twitch Prime libraries, for the price, on a $2k build, I'd recommend going for 4TB over the 1TB drive.
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Given current prices, 2TB is the minimum you should get.
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If he is being a big spender, why not get a 1TB SSD and a 2TB external backup?
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He could, would certainly improve load/install times for games. I always use my 500GB SSD for games, and only used a standard HDD for misc file storage.
But, it really depends on if hes got a data cap on his net or not. If he does, then it would be best to get a massive HDD so he hardly ever has to uninstall games after downloading them.
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I'm also in the process of assembling a PC!
Not a super high end build, I was moreso budget conscious and jumped on deals that I found hard to resist.
This is my first time building, so I've done a lot of research and I'm pretty hyped for whenever it gets completed.
I currently have all my parts except for the CPU, still waiting on that to be available at a reasonable price.
My HDD, GPU, PSU are all a couple years old, but I didn't see a reason to replace it because they still suit my needs.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HNjDGf
I don't actually have a 960 PRO, I just put it in there to see motherboard compatibility for potential future upgrades.
Please let me know if you have any questions that I can answer!
I spend a lot of time on buildapcsales these days, you might be interested in the following information:
-For HDDs, it's possible to buy a 4TB HDD external drive and "shuck" out the HDD to use in your build. External drives go much cheaper than if you were to buy the drive by itself. I've seen people buy 8 TD HDDs for $180 from best buy and shuck out the WD Red Drives (normally $280). However, from what I've read they no longer have WD Red Drives in these external drives, they now have WD Whites which require some extra work to get it working with a regular SATA cable. So if you look into this, make sure you know what drive is inside the external and whether or not it is shuckable.
-There was a deal on Corsair LPX Vengence CAS15 3000 MHz DDR4 16GB (2x 8GB) a few days ago (yesterday?) at $107.99 before tax. If you live near a Fry's, they might price match even though it's sold out on Best Buy. YMMV.
-I didn't replace my PSU so I didn't look into this too much - but I would imagine any 80+ Gold rated in tier 4 or above would be good. I'm not very familiar with the PSU tier list, but you should be able to look it up and do some more research from there.
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Have fun building it. :)
Don't forget this simple advice, if you get frustrated by something during the process just take a break and come back later with fresh mind. Build isn't going anywhere (well unless you're in a hurry to finish it, but it's never a good thing to do it that way).
Looks like a very nice build and i love my Phanteks case <3.
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Thank you for the wonderful advice! It may be simple but it can very easily be overlooked :)
I'm really looking forward to completing this build, seeing as how I'm using a 10 year old pre-built machine (Single 80mm fan for exhaust right now so it runs hot, 8GB DDR3 RAM and my system runs out of memory playing games, etc. etc.) - so I'm really looking forward this much needed upgrade and I've been all kinds of patient :) Learned a bunch along the way too!
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If you're really planning on buying that high budget of a PC you should really upgrade the CPU.
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You don't need a 1080 Ti if you go for that monitor (1080p), the sweet spot for a single 1080 Ti is 1440p resolution. You get enough frame rates and obviously a better image quality.
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That ram kits is WAYYY too expensive and make your build unbalanced. Unless you need 32GB of RAM for a particular reason, 16GB is plenty enough in most cases, if you only do gaming get 16GB.
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Add a CPU cooler, depending on your case choice (and availability), you can check out if there's a deal on Noctua D15 or Thermalright Le Grand Macho. Those are usually recommended cooler but they're big. If you prefer an AIO then get one from Corsair, BeQuiet or NZXT Kraken, those are your best bet.
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Add THIS Thermal paste.
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If you can get a good deal on the 7700k and your mobo, go ahead, not a bad choice at all. Otherwise, a 8700k and z370 (more expensive) would probably last you longer (games should start being optimized for more cores). And obviously in multitasking it crushes the previous gen.
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Get a PSU, for a single 1080 Ti 650Watts is the minimum recommended (manufacturers are saying 600). Seasonic is the best but it comes with a higher price, their PRIME series is awesome with a hefty warranty. EVGA G2 and G3 series are probably your best bet for your bang though.
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Add some fan attachments to the cooler for several bucks each. Push - Pull the heat.
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Gentlemen, with Black Friday sneaking up on us, I wanted to put together a new pc while receiving some decent black friday sales.
Please take a look and tell me your thoughts. I need some help finishing (cpu cooler/case/power supply) (Please do not suggest water cooling)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qWcf3F
This is the monitor I am looking to hook it up to:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824475003&ignorebbr=1
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