Welcome to the club. Blacklisting is overused and without any apparent reason. People love power and they always want to show it. ;P
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but i like to talk,im always saying thanks in giveaways and talking with the people,maybe i have to be a muted statue xD
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People tend to have different opinions from other people, but some people don't like other people having different opinions. Capisce? ;P It's not bad to say thanks, but some people don't like it. :P
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You mean, with great power comes great responsibility. :P Still, it's not about the responsibility that we are talking about, but about the lust of power that every person has. :P
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Not everyone has a lust of power in real life, i'm an example of that. But i do have partially a lust of power in certain games, not sure if that makes any sense. Games that are competitive based in leveling, etc. Such as MOBAs for example.
I simply associate money -> power -> messed up society, i don't want to be part of any of that. People who want money, want power, they forsake what little honor they have left for extra money in the end. People who do this contribute towards a more corrupt society, a corrupt society is what makes us see the lack of humanity these days.
Blacklisting in this community simply shows the lust of power from some people, and this lust of power usually involves greed or selfishness. Like people having different opinions about something is enough to make them go to blacklist, i pity the people who do this.
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First of all, what you mean, about the lust of power in certain games, is that you want to be the best in these games? That's what you mean? Well, yeah, people always want to be better than someone else. Thing is, when you get there, what will happen? You feel complete by that? Still, I understand this. I was extremely competitive in chess and I'm still extremely competitive in backgammon. I really can't stand losing there (or especially getting a tie in chess). xD
About the other things you said, you are right. But still, when people get power and/or money, they still want more.
Blacklisting, without any serious reason at all, probably means they want to create a little master race here in this site and give the gifts only to them. Then, why not just whitelist some friends and do only whitelist giveaways? It's the same thing. If they blacklist almost everyone, then who are the people that they want to give the games away? To their friends? The exceptional members of this community? Well, then they should just whitelist the people they want to give the gifts to and only make whitelist giveaways from now on. xD I'm caustic, but I'm really wondering about all these blacklists that go around in this community.
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No, i don't want to be the best in a match, while gaming. For example, if i play a moba, i have a lust for power early ingame, because power early in a match usually decides the outcome of the battle in mid to late game. I usually aim to win when its team vs team, i try my best to achieve it. If it's me vs someone else, i really don't care the outcome and simply play for fun most of the time, unless i have a specific goal in mind.
I just think that blacklisting should have a description which you must write down a reason as to why you blacklisted this person. Some people are blacklisted and are clueless as to why it happened, giving a reason would clarify the problem and take of the burden of guilt from them. Because it sounds really nice of a person to randomly blacklist a winner without giving them a heads up first. It's like as if the gifter has something against the winner, and if the winner is a soft person, he will have guilt of something he has no clue about and these people doing random BLs simply just contribute towards a bad day, despite giving gifts to people who they blacklist.
What's the point of being generous if you are going to act like this and ruin peoples days?
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Exactly. Generosity should be towards everyone.
And the blacklisted people shouldn't really feel bad. Blacklists are usually for no serious reason at all, so why should a person feel bad if someone blacklisted him?
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It is for serious reasons, if i was to use my BL, i would use it against regifters/gift traders mostly. People who annoy me would be depending on how annoying they are in the end (the kind of people that annoys and won't let go, aka trolls).
Not everyone is like you or me, if i got blacklisted, which i already have been a few times, i really don't/wouldn't care about such acts. I simply keep on moving, i'm used to seeing worse things in my life. This is my way of thinking and acting. I'm a cold person to a certain point, but i wouldn't still be capable of being a douche to a random person for no reason. It just doesn't seem right in the end. It's like you are sharing your frustrations with random people on the internet when they have nothing to do with how your day has turned up to be.
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Yes that is true about OP's case. But there are people who still get blacklisted with good ratios without a proper reason, i even saw a forum post like that recently in the forums. Which is sad, really.
If you are going to blacklist without giving a proper reason that looks kinda obvious to figure out, at least put in the GA description or something. So people are somehow ready for this, if they read it. There is also no harm in contacting the person via email after sending key, or send the gift via steam with a message giving a heads up.
There are many ways to solve the issue, people just need to adjust their way of thinking/acting. If you BL a person who hasn't done anything wrong and is clueless as to why he got blacklisted, would you feel good knowing that you possibly made that persons day just a little bit worst? This can be avoided if people wanted to, or cared to.
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Yeah,you're right there... sadly that i cant listen that song now) my dog was broke first pair of headset) and then after about hour i broke secont)about 2 days ago) but Back To The Future really good film.
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So many years of therapy and here you come, destroying all the progress. All the kids were calling me Bugs Bunny in school. I had to visit a psychologist for many years to overcome this problem (and a dentist too). Why, why, why did you have to remind me? :'( I'm kidding, of course. xD
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You have been here for 9 months, should have noticed this earlier. Talking in this community is a reason to get blacklisted. If you want to avoid getting blacklisted, don't talk. Or do so when necessary and try to avoid public commenting.
The cyber police is watching us, so be carefull.
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The cyber police do not agree with your message.
Blacklisted.
You don't want to see what happens when you get a second offense.
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That's quite untrue, that merely talking can get one blacklisted. Or if it's indeed that ridiculous, why should one care?
Don't trashtalk. Don't claim that your opinion is above everyone's else, and don't mock others' opinion. Question them maybe, but never go head-on against someone. Don't tell others what to do with their time / money. A lot of cromfrontations can be nagated by asking it as a question, politely.
Do you really think it's common to get blacklisted because talking? Are you sure you're not generalizing from examples, where at least one of the two person was rude / childish?
Sounds considerably better than " fcuking twat,stop being poor and give back some more you disgusting leecher of course you get blacklisted wheneer you open you damn mouth". I have to say that I have no problem with your ratio - it can be a reason for some people to BL, I just wanted to look for a point.
Of course talking can get one blacklisted. Also, you know what can get one killed? Getting out of the bed / walking on the street. Just because both can happen very rarely and usually someone's made a mistake, and that caused the thing, it's not common. It's damned not common to blacklist anyone for talking. Not to mention that lots of people's BL threats bring as just menace as a serene fart of a butterfly . (People who made 5 giveaways in a year, but feel like they actually punishing one by blacklisting)
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Untrue? Haha, nice joke there! If you want people to be polite, then at least give them a proper judgement rather than jump on the hate wagon like some people do. It's easy to put it in words, but it's hard to act in the same way as described in words, this is what i have to say. Being polite is a good thing, but it's also something not to be expected here as a common sight, from people who blacklist randomly. I see blacklisting in the same way as joining a server and getting banned for "no reason". This is power abuse, sometimes you can figure out why you get banned, some other times you are clueless because you probably haven't done anything wrong to diserve the ban and have to live with it. (unrelated to OP, related to the people who use/abuse blacklist)
When i mentioned "talking will get you blacklisted" it's generally based on opinions on certain topics, people blacklist others for that. In OP's case, he had his doubts and talked publicly, doing so got him in some blacklists. I know he won more than he has given, but im' pretty sure people wouldn't even be bothered by that if he simply said "thanks" instead. Nobody would give a F about him and moved on.
So yes, in general, talking can get you blacklisted, even if it's a question while being polite or not. Some reasons to get BL'd are justified, some others aren't. Which is why i gave this guy a heads up, if he wants to say something, do it wisely, if he cares about not being on blacklists. Which is what i assume since he made this thread to begin with, which most likely got him even into more blacklists than he was before. This makes me laugh, now that i think of it.
This whole blacklisting reminded me of the unnoficial blacklists in the old website, when people were like "oh, i have you blacklisted but seems like i have no reason, you are now out of the blacklist!". This right here, a huge facepalm to the people who did this frequently. And i've seen quite alot of them do it, some of which were long term members like me. At least, in the end the unnoficial blacklists would be something to laugh at most of the time, because each time i read something about blacklisting back then in the forums, it was some user who randomly blacklisted another user without having a clue as to why he even do it in the first place. They would be like "oh, i see no problem with your profile, why did i blacklist you to begin with?". How can a person be this clueless with what they decide to do?
Also, not trying to be a douche or anything with this but you have been here for a year or two tops, you still have much to see. My point with this is, you can disagree all you want with what i have to say about this, but the things i write down, is what i have seen in the past and continue to do so today.
One last thing... before someone jumps in and says i hate blacklisting and tries to counter what i say, no i don't dislike blacklisting entirelly. I just dislike the people who abuse the feature for everything that crosses their minds. If you are blacklisting someone for winning something from you, be a nice person and give them a heads up, for example. Blacklisting works in a similar way to kicking and banning in games (not so extreme as some cases, but works identically), there are people who will abuse it no matter what, some others will use it properly to bring justice when necessary. No one here in this community can deny this.
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Blacklist isn't a "power" to abuse why everyone thinks like that? I can judge you for only making group giveaways cause basicly you are blacklisting me it's the same. Making a rule for a group is equal to making a rule to blacklist people. You are choosing a group of people to give your games and others can't join it. All restirictions on giveaways are basicly blacklist expect it's not taken personally i really don't understand the drama behind this. :(
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It is a power that is abused from time to time and you think wrong to consider it in such ways. Judge all you want, but most of the group giveaways i made were in public groups when i joined them, so your argument is invalid. (very few exceptions with my own private group which was first 50 posting on thread got invited and other groups like S. Cherry poppers)
Besides, making group giveaways falls under a different category, it's not the samething as being blacklisted for no reason. But i could agree to a certain extent, that private groups could be bothering to some.
The day when you win something in this community, and suddently get blacklisted for that or some other reason you have no clue off. Perhaps then you will see it as to what it truly is in the end.
Forgot to mention, blacklist and banning are actually the samething if you think about it, just different words, kicking and blacklisting/banning are similar in some ways. If banning can be power abused, how does blacklist not fall under the same term of abuse?
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Banning make you unable to use site but blacklist makes you just don't enter certain giveaways and there is so much giveaway here to compare that two. If this was a little community like 100 people only then maybe you can say ban=blacklist cause when most of the people don't like you, you won't be able to participate most of the giveaways but this isn't even close in this scale. And even with that it doesn't stop you using sites other tools like trade, sale tracker or forums. If you see it's equal you are only here for to win games nothing else. That may be different perspective we have. Btw i am not juding that was just for an example. Still i don't believe you understand my opinion about "restiriction" means blacklist. And i said what i want to say so i won't discuss it more so thank you for your opinion.
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(if I'm not member of your groups I can't even check which public group need I join to access your giveaways - it can be just as well be closed)
Honestly, a simple(r) question, about BLing in general: why does people think it's power abuse? If I say hold a birthday party at my home, I should let everyone enter? Or the ones not getting an invite will run around crying out for judgement and blacklisting? Blacklisting is no more that " dea human being, I don't want to see your face and spend my wealth on Earth on you, goodbye". Why are people crying because of it? How's better an invisible, yet unottainable giveaway in a private group better than a visible, yet unottainable one in public besides people are fucking mad because they see something, and they want it? How's worse for blacklisting someone for bad ratio than flipping a level 7 limit on the giveaway, as both can say " F you if you haven't given enough"?
This is why blacklist drama is ridiculous. People are greedy. They don't want THEM to be left out. They are okay if hundreds, thousands are left out, but their precious little selves can't be left out alone, or it will result in an outcry.
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Again, i'm not here for the people who get blacklisted for "ratios". I'm here debating about the people who get blacklisted for winning and publicly talking, like having different opinions from someone else can lead you to be on a blacklist, even more so, if you have a crap ratio on your profile. OP's case fits in with this, despite him being blacklisted mostly due to his ratio probably. If he really did only ask a question and get flammed + blacklisted, then i actually share some simpathy with him for being flammed at for what it seems to be no apparent reason? Well i can't really judge his case entirelly, i don't know how it started but from the looks of it, he simply made a question and nasty stuff happened from there.
Then again, private group giveaways and public group giveaways aren't the samething at all. Private are meant to be quiet so people in the group know about it, yet there are people posting those in forums topics all the time (this is what i consider to be identical to blacklisting, making it known to the public but restricted to a select few from a private group). Hidden public giveaways can be posted in the forums, which is what usually happens so you can promote the group and it's what i did the last time i made group giveaways. It was for Meow's giveaways, was looking for a new public group to put in all my gifts that i stockpiled and call it quits, i joined hers and helped her reach her early milestones within the group by bringing more people in with the giveaways. If you missed out on those, it's not my fault you weren't there when it was posted, they were still public for everyone to join, as long as they entered the group.
I'll even get to the point of telling you, i was part of one of those private groups that wanted active people making giveaways every few days/weeks or once a month with certain value and non bundled. The experience i had there wasn't the best despite being part of said group for a few months, i had to try it before judging it, i tried private groups of that kind and didn't like them. I did take part of other private groups with different goals for the group, goals like bringing luck to the unlucky and kicking them out with a warning after winning + activating for example. There needs to be more groups like this, the experience was great, it was like a small portion of the community put together to help those who needed the most. Just like most good things out there, the group started out strong and with decent people, it took several months to get tainted by some greedy users and eventually closed down shortly after 1 year of service. You had liberty in this private group, gifters would gift whenever they could, unlucky people would join whatever they could but were restricted to 1 win from the group, people still abused of such a great idea and ended up ruining it for everyone else that could have used this great experience.
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I think the problem is that there are a lot of people complaining about getting blacklisted for 'winning and talking' or even 'no reason' but that generally isn't what happened. In the case of OP his ratio likely didn't help, but what most people actually probably blacklisted him for was the rulebreaking that he is now suspended for.
He didn't really only ask a question and then get flamed and blacklisted. He was telling people in somebody elses giveaway of a 'complete' pack not to enter if they already owned the base game. Until somebody mentioned that he had multiple wins of the same game on his account. At which point OP became abusive. And then made a topic that he got blacklisted for 'no reason' to get some sympathy...
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Eh, i was mostly clueless about OP's case, which is why i wanted to avoid defending him entirelly without having the knowledge of the situation. There's always two sides of the story i guess, anyways, what i said still stays the same (the stuff not related to OP and what he has done). I didn't even know he got suspended untill you mentioned it. Guess he had it coming.
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So, let everyone know what you think - it's not bad. :D
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I interacted with a person who claims they blacklisted another individual specifically just because they like an online novel named "Homestuck"
That's incredibly stupid.
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And they actually blacklisted him? o.O Did he check it out?
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looks like he actually got BL'd
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/PzKtN/what-is-your-dream-telltale-game-ga-added#qM97S94
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probably joined that same ga and i'm 100% sure you're not in my blacklist xD
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i was checking and i saw 5 guys blacklisted , sure are more :(
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as far as i'm concerned i'll soon make a gibes and u're free to join it xD and yeah u're probably right
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I just want to react to your original story about XCOM: No reason to tell anyone no to join, and let people without the base game win it. That would be the normal, that would all of us do - there's a reason people don't limit base game owners. XCOM goes on sale repeatedly in suck a messed up way, that complete pack is cheaper than THE DLC ALONE. It's just crazy. There are like no giveaways for the main DLC as one could get the full pack for cheaper :\
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Sometimes it happens. Good advice: don't care about it. Sg is full of people, it doesn't make the difference if one or two people blacklist You.
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Oh wtf why i remember when u whitelisted me fkn shit i really have a bad mem huh
http://imgur.com/sCpBilr
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Hahaha :D and indeed, You are on my whitelist :D and this was a time when I jad Deadpool on my avatar :D
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The SG reality is that blacklisting might, can and will be used for just about anything.
Btw you do have the possibility to return the favor.
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but has to be more serious,like blacklist scammers or hard flamers,not just blacklist people that think different or say something that u dont like
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I hear you but what I said is what it is, blacklisting does happen for everything you just mentioned.
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I suppose you could return the favor,but then you are not better then the person your complaining about blacklisting you...
Never solves anything and road rage proves that...guy almost hits you,so you return the favor then said guy gets mad and tries to run you off the road,or worse the person you almost hit tries to run you off the road.
Though like a lot have said though the blacklist can pretty much be used for anything people want...so they are free to return the favor
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Returning the favor has also another dimension. I had have several instances were people that blacklisted me silently and then did enter several giveaways of mine while I have a distinctive avatar and nick. I don't care if one blacklists me but I do care when such persons enters giveaways of mine. I find it low down and sneaky.
The other way around (me entering giveaways from gifters that I blacklisted) can't happen because I always click on the giveaway creator his avatar prior to entering and so in one glance I can see if I blacklisted or not that gifter.
I cannot know for sure but I don't think that a lot of giveaway creators would like that their giveaway winners are persons that blacklisted them?
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Fair enough,though i was just merely trying to point out that being annoyed someone blacklisted you for no real reason other then just because they can.Then blacklisting them imo kinda defeats the purpose of speaking up about blacklisting for no reason other then just because i can.
Though i did think of those who may not want those who blacklisted them to enter there GA,but still was not my main point,but i also did say..
"Though like a lot have said though the blacklist can pretty much be used for anything people want...so they are free to return the favor"
I guess i just view it as i have better things to do then waste my time for an eye for an eye and i have a different view on things and i am not the the type to do revenge,oh you blacklist me,well here is a blacklist for you,it that is all.Though if others want to return the favor they can do it and i could care less.
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Lol this reminds me of the people on PayDay 2 who complain about randomly being kicked before match starts. Yea it sucks but there is plenty of other fish in the sea and chances are that boat you were on was leaking anyways.
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Its actually way better then being kicked seconds before match ending :)
"Thanks for playing with us! Bye bye! <you were kicked ... >"
Payday 2 community during free weekends is cancerous :)
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Ha I can only remember in all my hours being kicked at end of game once during final day of Rats. We all loaded up the chopper and began running towards the escape host was the third furthest away all of a sudden "User X has been kicked" the dude next to me disappears. "User X has been kicked" the guy behind him was gone. I couldn't even type to him fast enough before "You have been kicked".
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People blacklist for whatever they want. It's their prerogative.
Best to not let it bother you and move on.
Life is too short.
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My take on this is. Never leave your "Zen" if someone blacklisted you for any reason whatsoever, how does it matter?, there are many other kind souls who will add you to your whitelists as well, find your peace in that. For me I don't believe in blacklist and never blacklist anyone.
My request, always try to stay happy, stop worrying about trivial matters. Universe has a way of correcting every situation and hang in their. :-)
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So because I've blacklisted you in the past, I'm an "angry blacklister"?
Solid reasoning there, bro. Seems I'm not the angry one here.
If I blacklisted you, there was a good reason for it. ;)
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There was. :P
But remember, the problem is always with the blacklister, never the blacklistee, no matter how poorly the latter has behaved. :P
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Yeah I found it but can't say why due to the "calling out" rule.
And yes, it's always our fault. We're intolerant and greedy game dispensers. ;)
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if you win a game, it must be activated and redeemed to the Steam account used during registration.
Can't activate a game twice, so you break the rules if you win the game twice, and mark both as received. What you should do in this case is to request a re-roll. If the gifter won't re-roll, don't mark it as received.
Yes, things could be automated so that once you mark a game as received, all other entries for it should be removed (though this should not be the case for just winning it, due to things like fake gifts and such), but as such a system is not in place, it's up to you to follow the rules. It's not like it's a particularly hard rule to follow.
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if you win a game, it must be activated and redeemed to the Steam account used during registration.
so no, you cant activate two versions^^ you can just mark the second one as not received and probably one day the ga-creator will change his mind and ask for a reroll^^
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okay so I legally could activate both and mark just one? great rules, gentlemen. great rules.
You can't activate both, so moot point.
And before you try to argue that you could remove the game and activate the new key, no you can't, Steam still thinks you own the game, so you can't activate new keys for it, all you can do is restore it.
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Back off my nuts before you fall off, kid.
Judging by the tag I've given you on SG++, multiple wins isn't the only reason I blacklisted you.
Get over it and move along.
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Oooo kid. Looks like the mad blacklister is you and not the other party. Scaaaryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
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He's a massive bigot, entitled out the ass, and entitled to being an ass.
Your sg++ tag in line with mine? :P
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You should probably avoid age-related mentions in negative comments, though- never comes across well.
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You should know me by now, Sooth.
I'm not in the habit of mincing words or frosting them with even a thin layer of finesse. ;)
Right to the point, like a hammer on a nail. XD
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Using an age-related slur isn't about mincing words- it's a negatively minded, bad habit that demeans youth. While it's intended to be an indicator of lack of maturity of the other party, such a thing would be readily self-evident, and doesn't need to be emphasized.
Finally, the people that use age-related insults generally are the most immature, so even though you likely don't [and I personally have no reason to think you do] fall in that category, it does give that impression.
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The thing is, you're viewing it more as a dismissive way of saying a general term like 'dude', but it actually comes across more similarly to ", woman" or ", you mexican". It's just needless and self-evident and intuitively seems based on an irrelevant characteristic.
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Moreover, it's incredibly demeaning toward youth, since it associates immaturity with youth- which, as any reasonable person is aware, is hardly a reliable correlation.
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Just, there are better words to use, and since I assume you don't have an actual reason to favor the word other than habit, it seems like a minor thing to swap it out with another one- one that people won't as readily assume a negative impression of you using.
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Well, my point wasn't to point out a negative act, but to point out that it did weaken your position.
I just wanted to make sure you were aware of how many people view the use of that word, in that manner.
Certainly up to you if you think it's worth using despite that.
And now, in your honor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pey29CLID3I
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rules are rules, doesn't matter if the game's worth $0.05 or $800.
and don't blame sg for your errors, honest people don't need an automated system to behave properly, they just do it.
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since sg provides us the keys immediately upon winning
False, the creator can input the key but it's not visible until clicking on the "send key" button.
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Don't remember, so I unblacklisted you.
EDIT: You broke a rule. That's why.
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was time mysteries 3 but the giveaway creator had an error with the keys,next time ask before blacklist pls,i dont want 2 times the same game,hasnt sense
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Mark it as "not received" then, to avoid confusion.
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It's not my responsibility to ask to be sure you broke the rules. It's your responsibility to not break them. ;)
You should not have marked it as received, then asked for a re-roll.
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but she gives be another time mysteries 3 key ,so i marked it because i won,and the another 100 guys do it the same,i think that dont break the rules because i talked with support
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surprise, he's suspended now. guess the blacklist was 100% right.
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do u denounce me for win the game 2 times?
i won 2 times the same game, like i said because marie,the giveaway creator change the game,she gave time mysteries 2 when had to be time mysteries 3, not my fault :(
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Don't bother about it. Let these dickwads blacklist you to feel good about themselves. That's usually the only power they'll have in life. Go and enjoy your own life brother.
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There is always reason, but sometimes is that reason stupid.....dont worry about that, i am also blacklisted by few people here and i really dont have that need blacklist them back. Just move on. :)
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Tats life :S just ignore it but i know that blacklist is quite annoying :l
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With great power comes great responsibility. Those who couldn't do that are not worth associating with. Leave them be.
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spiderman ^^ yes ,i leave them be but would be better a blacklist with reason :(
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More blacklist drama? Why does this not surprise me?
You said that you always say thanks in giveaways. Some people here seem to have a problem with that and assume that everyone that does so is a bot so they blacklist them. Just move on. You don't need to associate with people who act like entitled ass holes anyway.
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I am aware of his multiple wins that he has now been suspended for. My comment still applies. Obviously someone finally reported him instead of ignoring him by blacklisting him and moving on. I commend that person for stepping up. They have helped to remove a rule violator rather than just ignoring them and leaving them to be able to continue to break the rules.
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when it is a description with : "pls dont say thanks " , i dont say,i always try to dont bother :)
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I got blacklisted for saying thanks AFTER I won a game. There was no warning in the giveaway description. I was later able to add the person on Steam and they said that they will blacklist everyone who says thanks regardless. How's that for using your blacklist properly?
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Let's say I have a present in my hand, and I'll hand it to the lucky person I meet today. I meet you, you get it. I say something totally ridiculous that makes no sense and you think I'm crazy. Do you still want to get gifts from the crazyperson? :) Don't overreact - if someone has so stupid habits (rules in this case) that you could call them crazy, would you like to meet them again in real life?
Simply if someone acts in a way that you wouldn't like to meet them again in real life, feel free to blacklist them / feel okay for being blacklisted. Blacklist is not worse then " I don't want to meet you / talk with you, stranger", at least in my opinion.
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Who is overreacting and who said that I wanted any more from this person? I'm glad that I don't have to talk to them again now. I think that they are a douche and they did me a favor by blacklisting me. I was just giving an example of someone using the feature beyond the norm and commenting back to someone who said something about being blacklisted for saying thanks.
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I'm just talking in general, that's why the "Let's say" in the beginning. Plus I already fucked up with this a couple of times because apparently when in hungarian you're telling an imaginonary situation using "you" instead of "one" people don't always think that I'm blaming/mocking them :\
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Why would a bot say thanks? lol
It's not poker, not saying anything when you enter a giveaway won't raise a suspicion. And there are addons for browsers that auto-enter giveaways, so why would anyone need a bot for that?
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I've often wondered that myself but if you've been hanging around these discussions long enough you will see that excuse being used often. Bots and addons can be set up to be used without any dialog at all or they can say other words or complete sentences so I don't understand the mentality of blacklisting people who say thanks. I guess that some people feel powerful when they can control what others are allowed to do and the blacklist feature enables them.
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True. I've only been on here for about a week (despite what my registration date says - at the time I was unable to use this website). But in the end essentialy it's their giveaway so they are free to decide who to blaclist (and others simply do just private giveaways; is that any different?). Unfortunately, I'm one of those people who can't simply get over something if they feel they have been treated unjust.
P.S. I guess I need to stop saying "thanks", because of my 1250 comments at least 1000 have been exactly that.
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It's not about saying 'thanks'. It's specifically about using the exact same generic response in every single giveaway that person enters. eg "Thank you!! May the sunshine tickle your toes!" being repeated on every single giveaway is a sign of bot use OR of just not caring enough to put in any effort, and thus intentionally spamming.
sometimes people just don't like being spammed by messages that the writer put absolutely no thought into, past copy+paste.
Though, I did a test on the matter once, and talked to some of the people after, and the majority of the people involved admitted to bot use [via comments like "Why shouldn't I be allowed to use bots to enter giveaways? It's not my fault you don't like thanks!"]
so empirically, the evidence is in favor of the matter.
And thus, the conclusion is, people are either not against bots specifically, or they just grit their teeth and bear the bots they can't determine. Rather, they're against bot use that involves mindless spamming, for one reason or another.
I don't see what's wrong with that outlook, myself- it's not like most people tolerate that kind of behavior elsewhere in their lives, either.
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I did spam "thanks" everywhere.
Thank you for enlightening me, Sir!
May the sunshine tickle your toes!
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I laughed. =P
But yeah, try and change it up a bit each time- consider saying something about the game and why you want it, if the creator didn't give you a prompt to reply to. some people like to link related movies, music, or news articles, instead.
Otherwise, if nothing creative comes to mind, lean toward not saying anything at all [unless they say they welcome comments, which several put in their descriptions], just to be respectful and not spam them.
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I'm torn apart - I want the person to know I appreciate the opportunity, but at the same time I'm too lazy to put any effort into it.
Thanks for advice though.
And may the moonlight tickle your nose!
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And may the kegnecter tickle your bros!
see, you've got a unique shtick, now. :'P
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Can't understand the problem. I never blacklisted anybody. So welcome to my blacklist free zone.
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If they blacklist you without a good reason:
Take a deep breath and move on :)
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There's is always a reason, in fact thats exactly why i stopped defending people who got blacklisted.
so yeah...i'm just going to sit down and enjoy yet another drama thread
PS: im not one to blacklist for 2 wins of the same game, some people are and i see it as a valid reason
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He was on mine too, I guess for something else as I don't check sgtools for random people
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I used to state given the power to do so, some people would be eager to use the blacklist system, for no other reason as to make them feel better
And although revenge blacklisting along with blacklisting for different opinions are definitely an occurrence around here
slowly, i realized, threads like this are always riddled with lies
so really who knows what else he might have been blacklisted for
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Every time one of these threads pops up- that is, a thread where people state their opinion and outlook is more valid than others, and that others should match THEIR outlook instead; that people are 'abusing power' and 'being selfish' when all they're doing is putting filters on who can enter their giveaways- I notice the vast majority of people defending the matter are on my blacklist already.
Furthermore, it's almost always the same people arguing the topic..
so unsurprisingly, given how likely it is I'm not alone in having them blacklisted, these "anyone that blacklists me is a terrible power-abusing person" individuals have a vested interest in trying to convince people to feel poorly about using their blacklists.
As you say, it's all about lies.. and selfishness and entitlement, that makes people make hypocritical arguments that only favor themselves.
Nevermind that, even if someone is applying their blacklist to arbitrary things, 1: That's not abusing the blacklist anymore than 'post an image of a duck for an invite link' is abusing private giveaway access, and 2: Who the heck cares?
It's their games, and their right to apply what filters they want. It's not punishment- though given the behaviors of some of these blacklisted individuals, perhaps it ought be- but the right of the people freely giving away games to customize their filtering. It's one of the best things about sg.
If someone wants to blacklist you for your gender or religion, then good, you probably didn't want to win from them anyway. Flip side, there's a bigot up above arguing vehemently against blacklisting who most certainly deserves the blacklist.
But hey, as soon as someone doesn't let you enter their giveaways, they're power-abusing and just all around wrong, right?
strangely, leeching, rule-breaking, hating on others, and being an entitled ass are all acceptable behaviors, though :P
Even if there could be a social argument to be made over casual blacklisting, with the majority of the people involved having been blacklisted for "actual" reasons, that concept is going to be limited in its effect while such individuals defend it- and often, do so rather insultingly.
And that's assuming casual blacklisters even pay enough attention to these spammy blacklist threads to not take them seriously, in the first place.
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It's a strange one. There are people here who boast about about having 3000+ plus games but have only given away one piece of DLC (to get entry to level 1 giveaways). There are people here who make region-locked giveaways for ROW keys. There are people who only make private group giveaways for ratio but also loot every public giveaway they can. There are people with crappy ratios who also go about scamming people for dozens of TF2 keys.
But it is always blacklisters who are in the wrong, abusing their dreadful power of giving away free stuff and blacklisting people for absolutely no reason (that often can't be mentioned because of 'calling out') and generally making a mockery of a site that should be about gifting games to everyone even those that want that want to give it a good kicking like a vending machine in a dark corner when nobody is looking...
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It is from a really good webcomic called Oglaf (not safe for work at all). It just seemed like a good illustration of the concept of fairness being entirely relative.
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Oglaf is a strangely alternating series of crudity, inanity, cheap porn, and outright brilliance.
At times, it can manage several of these things at once. :'P
It's one of my regularly checked webcomics. ~,^
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http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/LEJ5e3Y
Yep, lies. He was blacklisted for randomly insulting people and trying to speak for the giveaway creator, apparently :P
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Probably a combination of those 2:
- Only enter to win games you do not already own, and do not enter to win DLC if you're missing the required base game.
- Won gifts should be activated to the Steam account used during registration, and they should not be regifted, traded, or sold.
You cannot activate the game twice (unless you ask Steam support to remive the first one :P), although I think they don't fully cover it (maybe it's a translation issue, but for me "should" in the second one doesn't force to do anything).
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no no, the system is bad.
like, when people get arrested for stealing, the blame is on the victim that let thieves steal from them.
people with unactivated and multiple wins are victims here!
steamgifts opression!
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How can you make someone pay because they don't want to "give" something to you. Giveaways are not sales people don't sell anything here what kind of logic is that. :D
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it's not discrimination, it's right of admission. and i would do it if i owned a store and someone robbed me.
and again, you broke the rules and you are the one complaining? deal with the consequences like a mature person.
don't like getting blacklisted? behave nicely on the forums instead of treating contributors like idiots...
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I think it can't be easily automated, at least I can't think of a good approach to do this - remember that if you're a winner, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a (working) key, so you shouldn't be automatically removed from similar giveaways (until you mark the gib as received). This means that there is still a chance of winning multiple copies of the game in a short time (up to 2 weeks: 1 for getting the key and 1 for activating it).
The rules should be more precise, but for me the whole problem is just a matter of honesty.
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That rule is pretty much all over the place
You should only enter to win giveaways for yourself, and if you win a game, it must be activated and redeemed to the Steam account used during registration.
If you need activate a game in the same account you registered, its obvious multiple wins of the same game are against the site rules
As to how to proceed, you could have either contacted support or searched/asked in the forum and you didnt.
So...i wouldn't put all the blame on how the site displays its rules/guidelines , it should be at least obvious you cant win the same game twice.
if it happens again and the GA creator is too lazy to hit reroll. Dont activate or mark the key as received, its possible to leave it unmarked
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Are you trying to hide your actions behind badly written rules? If you know you are not supposed to, it doesnt matter how many holes you find, its still not justifiable, as the intentions in this site are very clear.
And YES it does mention multiple wins, you only have one account, so you can only activate one copy, thus multiple wins are against the rules.
Ill read the all thing tomorrow, today everyone seems to be responding to me with huge walls of texts : /
EDIT: upon winning? or after marking something as received? the latter would make more sense
you cant just remove someones entries without knowing first if he actually got the key for it or not, and by that time, its really not to difficult for someone to just sync his account. Only way to reduce this from happening would be to contantly force users to sync their accounts
Also, as i mentioned, you can enter for multiple giveaways for the same game and thats not you trying to find holes in the faq
Ill make it even more simpler, what gets you suspended is activating and marking both games as received
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just nitpicking words to excuse bad behavior.
instead of just admitting "i'm sorry people, i wasn't aware i broke the rules."
nah, better to keep ranting.
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Just remember that not everyone thinks the same way as you. I'm definitely against using holes to bypass the rules. but on the other hand it would be good to make them more precise - just to remove all "doubts" :)
There is also another problem - not all users read the rules :|
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yeah that's a problem, but the worst part is not adtmitting being wrong and instead getting offended. because, like children, it's never their fault
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i explained a lot of times ,and is not your job to blacklist for this,talk the next time :
i won 2 times the same game, like i said because marie,the giveaway creator change the game,she gave time mysteries 2 when had to be time mysteries 3, not my fault :(
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You should give a fck about it and move on, there are plenty of GA here and one person blacklisting you shouldnt bother you
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some people can't handle the fact that they are not the center of someone else's world.
don't you worry and don't be the center of their world. just wave and return the favor. :D
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Well, OP is suspended, so the basis for the suspension may have been why people were blacklisting him.
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he just helped the multiple winnings have the necessary attention.
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It's too bad that those who blacklisted just did so and moved on and it took someone reading this thread to finally report him. With those multiple wins he shouldn't have even been around anymore to make this topic or enter other giveaways. Of course, if developers who did massive giveaways were held to the same standards as the rest of us they wouldn't have awarded the second gift anyway since it was for a game that the person had already won from the same developer prior.
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For developer giveaways, the sending of keys is automated, so there was no way for the dev to actually not send the key. And you can't expect someone to check 100+ winners anyway.
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Actually a solution to the issue has been stated in another part of this thread but it's a programming thing that has to be done by cg.
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You mean a system that checks to see if you own the game when you win? Yeah, that would be ideal. It would still have issues,. due to the steam API, but it would cut down on some of the multiple wins. I wonder how hard it would be to implemented, and how strain it would be on the SG servers to have to sync as soon as someone wins (they've had issues with being overloaded in the past, that's why some features have been removed)
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Plus making it so that if you are entered in a giveaway for that same game it removes it from your entries and syncs your profile when you mark received. I was just looking at my entries and noticed some coming up from almost a month ago that I forgot that I have even entered and I can't remember how many times I have had to go back after a win to make sure I wasn't still entered in other giveaways for that same game. The OP wouldn't have won the second giveaway if this system was implemented.
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I am for removing all your entries for the same game if you mark a giveaway as received. But based on what OP said, it would in fact not solve the issue, as he got the key from the first giveaway after the second one entered (due to issues with the first key).
Removing all entries when you win a giveaway would be a terrible idea though, as fake giveaways are not uncommon.
But about automatically syncing, I'm not sure if it is a great idea, considering the issues SG has had with server health.
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I agree. Removing based on a win would not be smart but based on marking received should work just fine. I must have missed the part about the OP having issues with the first key but having this system in place would prevent it from happening in most situations.
I would also hope that people sync after a win anyway. I know that I do so I don't accidentally enter for it again. After a few hundred games it can be hard to remember if you already have a game or not sometimes. I wouldn't think it would be too hard of a hit on the server load if it was only done by the winners when they marked received. IIRC cg upgraded the servers recently too so it should be able to handle such a simple request since it won't have to happen for every member simultaneously.
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CG both upgraded the servers, and cut down on some features that could cause issues, but I've still noticed that the servers something struggle. And I don't sync after every win, for the sake of the servers. If I win something, I darn well remember winning it ;) I just sync when I feel it's needed (like when browsing through my wishlisted games give me a long list of games I already own)
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TempeteJoachim addressed the issue of removing entries upon syncing: It causes issues with free weekends, that's why no such system has been implemented.
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I'm pretty sure that the issue of a couple of games on free weekends is a lot less of a problem than what we have going on here. A simple disclaimer about free weekend games in the Announcements section of this board will be enough. The lesser of two evils IMO. It's no different than people not being able to enter for those free games because they had synced during the free offering time. They can get over it. It's just a few games and for a short period of time. This problem has been ongoing and growing.
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Tempete disagreed, and I would have to agree with him. There is already a solution in place if you happen to win a game that you already own: Ask for a re-roll. Removing things on sync would create an issue that has no solution, and it could hurt people with active giveaways, as they could get entirely depopulated due to a free weekend happening.
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i won 2 times the same game, like i said because marie,the giveaway creator change the game,she gave time mysteries 2 when had to be time mysteries 3, not my fault :(
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First rule of blacklist - Don't talk about blacklist!!!
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Second rule of blacklist - you DO NOT talk about blacklist!
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Exactly. Someone probably blaclisted him just because of this thread.
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calm down. people could even blacklisted you only bcuz your avatar is too handsome.
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I'm surpriced I haven't seen anyone blacklist me yet, with all the giveaways I've entered without thanking, posting something or bumping when they want that... I expected at least a few.
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You need to thank more. People blacklist others for saying thanks, not because they don't.
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Very reliably, if you're respectful toward others, noone you'd care about having you blacklisted, will blacklist you. :P
The people pushing another agenda have generally been mass-blacklisted for their behaviors and attitudes, not simple comments.
Which isn't to say that there aren't casual blacklisters out there, who don't write proper descriptions stating what they blacklist for.. it's that they're not on the 'anyone you'd care about having you blacklisted' list, because anyone that capricious isn't worth the effort of catering to anyway.
so don't take the naysaying comments in these kinds of threads seriously, the people making them have a vested interest in trying to convince people to blacklist less.
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Came here to flame and blacklist you! (kidding)
Can't get along with everybody and chances are the ones you won't get along with are the same ones that are blacklist-happy.
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Sorry to hear.
Just curious, but how can you tell if someone has you blacklisted?
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Trying to look one of his gas? Should say: Error
You do not have permission to view this giveaway, since you've been blacklisted by the giveaway creator.
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ah, so that's the only way to find out. Glad I've not yet seen one. :)
Thanks
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I said in xcom complete pack that is nice that the people who hasnt the base game win the game to play it,but the people who enter just for dlc flame me and blacklisted me , is normal ? maybe is my bad, but i wasnt rude or similar
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-i won 2 times the same game, like i said because marie,the giveaway creator change the game,she gave time mysteries 2 when had to be time mysteries 3, not my fault :(
-i just create the post to solve the problem with the people that is angry for something,if bother to anyone im sorry :)
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