What is the best Led Zeppelin album?
Yeowch! That lady can sing, but otherwise...yikes. [shudder] :D
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Locked in a porta potty and kicked down a hill?
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You've never seen Eight Crazy Nights have you?
Also, there are plenty of good DJs.
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Ha, yes, I've seen it.
DJ != musician
It makes me crazy when someone says they're going to a "concert," and I ask them who they're seeing, and they rattle off some DJ's name. That's not a concert, because there are no musicians there making music. There is a guy playing [usually other people's] music, and that's not a concert...that's just a party. Now, there's nothing wrong with a party. I like parties. I just can't stand that people don't know the difference.
I have friends that are DJs. But, most of them were musicians first, and they DJ because it pays well...they don't need to be concerned with paying 3-5 other people in a band...they can take home the entire paycheck. So, the popularity of DJs continues to increase because they're essentially a 1-person act, and the crowd usually doesn't care that they're not watching several skilled, creative people come together and make some amazing via synergy and synchronicity...as long as they can jump around and it sounds ok to them, that's good enough. I get worked up in general about people's ignorance of all kinds of things...but music is a very personal and important thing to me, so this specific ignorance is particularly frustrating to me. It's admittedly a personal hot button (we all have them).
DJs are all fine and good, but they're not musicians. It's kind of like the difference between a guy who swings a hammer at a construction site and an architect...one of them is just following instructions, and the other is the creative force behind what's getting made. Don't get me wrong...we need the first guy in that metaphor, too, but pretending that they're on equal footing is really inaccurate, and unfair to the person who invested all of the effort and training to develop a specialized skill set.
But yeah, Eight Crazy Nights. lolz Don't make me start quoting Don't Mess with the Zohan, too. :D
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You've apparently never heard of the DJs I have then, such as Cascada.
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I'm so dazed and confused, someone is still listening to Music ;D
have a bump ;)
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Rock and roll. \m/ (and thanks for the train)
and yes, as a drummer, Physical Graffiti, definitely :X
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I know of Led Zeppelin and some songs, but not enough to say which album is the best, so portable toilet it is... T_T
Thank you for the choo~~ 🚅-🚃🚃🚃🚃
Bump.
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Sooo.... (in)Famous Superfabs Mini-Wall™️ incoming. Here we go: No offense meant at all as far as my opinion of sound, but just what I believe after going over mounds of evidence, listening to and breaking down the actual technique and replicating it myself, and drawing conclusions based on other musics written at or before the tracks Led Zeppelin "claimed" were ever released. To be completely honest, and for many good reasons, I don't really like Led Zeppelin.... in the least. Weak talent level/artists in all spots aside from bass (I actually have the most affinity for good drummers over anything else). I think Robert Plant is the worst vocalist in the history of music, unfortunately. It reminds me of a dying cat, for some reason?
They also stole a lot of their music from other blues bands that were lesser known, and should have gotten some serious financial hits for plagiarism on many of their songs. I think there were some cases at certain points... I didn't really follow or follow what happens/happened. I am kind of biased since I like other more original progressive bands of the time much more, and I don't really like mainstream stuff generally - have a musical ear, since I play prog and power metal and on the whole, more technical stuff because I needed a bit of a challenge... once I could play about anything I heard on the radio with ease. I kind of pay attention to each part of a band, rather than if the whole thing is catchy or not, since I don't generally like catchy or popular music. There are bands from back then like Kansas, Rush, Yes, Jethro Tull, Scorpions, Uriah Heep, King Crimson, Genesis, etc. which I liked a lot more for the era for their creativity, mastery of instruments, and originality, since they did not steal other peoples' music. Definitely not really a rock fan though, unless it is very progressive. I get bored listening/playing it since the drummers are very weak...
Stuff changed a lot in the mid 80's or so up until now (won't name bands, but this period really influenced my playing and what I listened to more than any other period). In comparison to older stuff, live stuff is a lot more polished once the late 80's/ early 90's period hit, even when completely dry of effects - not sure if it has to do with the natural evolution of music, or just better equipment and teachers/schools today, but it has a life of its own, and nothing can stop the growth and continual improvement from a talent/technical/complete mastery and knowledge of the respective instrument standpoint. Shredders are definitely a lot more skilled than the older Malmsteens and Van Halens, for instance, and there are prodigies everywhere on every instrument one could think of! I like how music continues to grow and evolve, and has a life of its own.
I play mostly 6 string bass these days, but I am not well, so it's difficult to play. Just my opinions above.
People will gravitate to what they like, and I definitely have a pure musician's ear, rather than a regular casual listener's.
Can I pick this? It's old, but still my favorite thing associated with Led Zeppelin.
On a purely SG-related note, I do appreciate the train very much! Thanks for being kind and contributing to the community!
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So yes, you can absolutely pick that! I listen to a ton of prog and prog metal myself (HUGE Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson fan, dig Dream Theater, Symphony X, Fates Warning, Rush [I saw them on every tour since 1985], Kansas [own everything they ever recorded], etc., etc.), but I still find Led Zep especially important based upon the timing of the band and how they altered the sound of rock in general...we wouldn't have any of our modern prog metal without them, at least not in the form we see today.
And nope, I don't believe that you have to like them. I think that it's important to KNOW about them, and clearly you do, so consider my judge-y checkbox officially checked there. :D
The only thing I'll argue about is the plagiarism thing...this is a common retort to Led Zep 1 and their early success, and I feel it's pretty far off-base. It's important to keep in mind how the blues and blues culture works. Blues artists play and record each others' songs all of the time...it's usually considered a sign of respect, and very often important blues artists that we all know and love are more well-known for remakes of other blues artists' songs than their own (and vice-versa). Long story short, I see the blues songs that LZ covered on the first album as tributes...keep in mind that these guys formed in the late 60s, and were essentially young British white dudes that desperately wanted to be old, black American bluesmen (same thing goes for the Stones). They are wearing their influences on their sleeves, and making no bones about it. They are essentially showing where they came from, and what they love, but evolving it some and taking it to a new level. So, I disagree with the Led-Zep-just-ripped-off-blues-artists argument that is frequently made with regard to LZ1.
On the other hand, I totally agree with you about the bass sound...John Paul Jones is the most overlooked member of that band, and it's his production on the later, deeper albums that truly makes that Led Zep sound. And they definitely had a studio sound and a live sound that were very different (much like Queen did), because the studio production produced more parts than they could cover live, among other things.
I agree about the progression in skill level of musicians as well. There is so much to talk about there. I can tell you that I had the opportunity to hang out and have beers with The Aristocrats...Guthrie Govan was mind-blowingly stunning on guitar...the accuracy and art of his playing was bucket-list-worthy...and that dude can drink properly, too! lol Govan, Minneman, and Beller are all freaking nice guys.
Thanks for the long and thoughtful post. That's why I do these polls...I believe that all of these conversations, debates, commentary, etc., are really valuable in continuing to talk about what I think is one of the most important cultural facets of humanity: music. :)
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You also make good points about much of your own ideas here. The stuff that is similar... yeah, it's not identical, but can be pretty close. If in fact they were paying tribute to others' work however, they should have mentioned it somewhere, instead of saying it was theirs. That would be my only issue, if it was music being borrowed, covered, thrown around, etc. Again, it isn't identical, but close enough to make me raise eyebrows at around 10 or 12 pieces that are kind of popular. Like art though, each of us interpret things differently depending on many factors. I probably could've gotten into some LZ if they had a different vocalist, like more a Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden) sound, or something gruffer or softer to my ears, like Dio/Steve Walsh. I totally forgot about Rainbow also! Those guys were incredible back in the day, but a tad later than some of the others. Deep Purple as well. Again, I didn't like the vocals much, buuut, the keyboards and guitars were pretty nice back then at the time, and they had a lively drummer. The moog synth was just getting going at the time, and keyboards were about to really make some real headway in music...
Porcupine Tree... okay, but I've only found one song I really liked by them (Deadwing). A band that is kind of similar in my opinion would be Riverside, but they are a bit more psychedelic. Magic Elf is good for a more experimental flair, and they have some rock guys collaborating together. Same with 7 for 4 - good experimental stuff that's a bit more rock, but yeah.. most experimental has no vocals really. Something much heavier and shreddy would be Spastic Ink and Electrocution 250. Really good artistry in those two. I'm definitely more on the heavy side, and even hard rock is a little bit lacking for me, but there were some exceptions here and there for whatever reason (Running Wild, early Jag Panzer, and others). I think Cacophony really set me up for shred stuff when I heard them for the first time. I don't think I'd heard anything that crazy and extreme. It's too bad Jason Becker had the ALS problems almost right after the albums with Cacophony. He got the deal with David Lee Roth and I think only managed the one record with 'em. He had insane potential, since he was only around 20 by that time, and in his teens with Cacophony, but the shreds are absolutely stunning for that period of time.
So... I like extreme talent now as far as that stuff goes, for whatever reason. Could be just my autistic brain, or maybe it's just how I am. Some like jazz for that same reason too I suppose, but yeah, I like guitars over horns, and a tiny bit more structure to the chaos. I think that's what is so nice about many prog bands. They make chaos into order, where most people would not be able to, with the time changes, and roller coaster of high and low points. Of course, power metal is usually just speedy (especially Euro-influenced), there is some slower that is good too. My favorite power metal era is mid 90's to mid 00's. I have too much music from that time period. Dream Theater... I liked their first 3 albums (and have them), but they got a bit too relaxed and commercialized after Awake.
I am glad there is so much variety of music out there, and that there is so much underground stuff these days. Without internet, I'd not be able to find much of it, so that's another aspect that's really helped me to branch out and find other artists that I like similar to what I was already listening to. My father was a bit of a musician, but he was more glam/hard rock 80's style stuff than I am. He did work with Armored Saint a little bit years ago with March of the Saint, and knows a bunch of guitarists and whatnot from those times of playing here and there with his other bands. He still played after getting into the military, since they have a DOD kind of thing. Not sure how it all works really. We both cover some Dream Theater here and there though... I can play all the older stuff. John Myung is a fantastic bassist. I'm blabbing a lot, but music did a lot for me, and still does a lot for me. Nothing yanks me into it completely the way music can... Helped me get sober years back. I have about... 14 years or so off alcohol now, and power metal and the positive lyrics of overcoming things really gave me an extra little bounce in my step, physically and mentally.
Nice of you to take my post thoughtfully, since it could have come off as a bit harsh. I did bash LZ a little bit, but I definitely cannot deny their influence on rock and the direction it was going. Some of the early bands I mentioned along with Led Zeppelin really changed the history of music in a good way. I have to give them a lot of credit for that, and continuing and keeping true to that direction. So many bands today lose what they had, and they totally sell out or find a big contract and have to churn out this many tunes that have a particular sound in x amount of time, and the soul is gone. It's just not the same once there are big demands put on a band. It becomes a chore for them, rather than a creative outlet. I am glad some power metal labels are owned by others who created power metal, for instance. They can keep cutting tracks they want, and there are not all the same restrictions, generally speaking. I can enjoy an entire power or prog metal album beginning to end, and most other styles I can't do that with.
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So, I decided it was time to clean out a few more lists and make a new train. I've finally leveled up a little bit to where I can create a decent-sized choo-choo (I think this is around 38 games). It starts out with some trash, but it gets better, I promise. :D
So, for anyone reading this that is at least level 2, hop on board and take a ride!
My third and biggest train so far
Please bump when you're done (well, at least if you had fun at all). :)
P.S. I used joonatoona's excellent train script to build this train! I might like to build in a couple of enhancements, but this worked really well (and saved me a ton of time listing URLs in a spreadsheet to manually create links), so thanks!
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