Should spam posts and referrals be allowed or forbidden?
Because you give someone a gain with a referral and if it was allowed people would spam it in all places.
1 people posting deals atleast is just as it is, 1 person, not saying that makes it "better" because if every store would do it, it's still spam.
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I'd say if you gain from it (either it's your ref link or your store) then it should be forbidden. If you are just sharing a deal you think is good or a gleam giveaway with ref links which are not related in any way to you, it should be allowed.
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The difference is that we do want threads about deals and we get one thread per bundle / sale.
What we don't want is that everyone starts dropping their referrals here, because you'd see far more than just one per event then. And that is the difference between acceptable promotion / information and real spam.
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This is pretty much it. Some user posting about their own store is annoying, but nowhere near as bad as hundreds of users spamming ref links so they can make themselves cash. At least people want to buy games for their libraries or giveaways. We don't want to be making money for people posting useless spam.
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I think, he meant this game is really gleam legend. There were thousands of giveaways for this game, probably is still free somewhere.
Edit. For example here: https://gleam.io/WlVcO/cortexgear-or-woddle-tree (this is random, but you probably receive Woodle tree :))
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I consider the chrono ones spam. Don't really need a new thread everyday for a not so good deal on one game. They should dedicate one thread to the store deals and update the title and op each time. If there's a storewide sale or a bundle then a new thread would be ok.
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I think you're looking for the third option. 'Allow spam only (the way it is now)'
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Like hippo said, there's the "Allow spam only (the way it is now)." option. Maybe your eye-brain wasn't expecting the word "spam". ;)
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I don't really mind but what always puzzles me is that the deals are always horrible since it's mostly games that have been bundled before but at 5x the price and there still will be people saying it's a great deal just because they like the game. I mean I love Terraria but I wouldn't call 50 % off an amazing deal considering it had much steeper discounts. But the problem would be how to distinguish between good informational threads about deals like Rachel's threads or when DIG used to make their own Bundle threads and the ones we're talking about.
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The one he is mentioning has had a few recently that are un-bundled and while not 80 - 90% off, I think some of them are good deals for those who don't want to wait for a big sale or potential bundling down the road.
I don't mind these threads. Maybe people would be less offended if it was all one thread and it just kept getting bumped each day?
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Yea if they handled it like the Nuuvem thread that would probably be better. Not that it really bothers me as it is now. But just imagine if Opium Pulses, Lazy Guys Bundle, WinGameStore, Flying Bundle and HotRandomKeys started to make a thread everytime they have deal on a single game (not sure if all of those have a Store though beside the Bundles). That would make it quite annoying to find the really relevant deals.
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The only thing is.. that store only has one thing in it's store at a time.
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I see. Well it doesn't really matter. Since hardly anyone bumps these threads they tend to disappear from the front page within an hour or two anyway.
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An amazing deal is an amazing deal regardless of context. Recently for the Humble Bundle E3 thing, amazing gave $5 of app credit to everyone that got the $1 tier. That's an amazing deal, for anyone who gets apps through amazon. However, if someone did a "Get $3 in amazon app credit for $1", that would still be an amazing deal, since the past deal is dead and gone already.
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It is spam in principle. Are we entitled to one referral link a day/month/lifetime? :D
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no because 1 reffereal per day can mean 100s of spam comments from 100s of different users. Each referral promo generating 100s of comments. Informing about sale/promo (as long as it is gaming related) is 1 comment per sale/promo/ See the difference?
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Rethorical? I find them pretty dry and clean (you might question the choice of the word "spam" though, I'd undestand).
Maybe I didn't think it through, so why don't you help me? I mean it. People post links to hardware and software deals all the time anyway, like I already wrote, I don't see the difference for the community between:
Guys, there's a great deal on Doom! http://www.keyshop.sg/products/doom
and
Guys, there's a great deal on Doom! http://www.keyshop.sg/products/doom?ref=itsamemario
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^this sums it up pretty well
There are not so many digital stores, so even if they post once a day, it doesn't really hurt. But there are thousands of users, and if everyone puts his own referral link on every deal out there, it's a nightmare.
Bottom line is, if you want profit, open your own digital store, haggle all the deals with publishers, handle all the keys, risk your own money by paying for servers and bandwidth and buying aforementioned keys, put up with all the cr*p users will throw at you when something goes wrong and then you might legally profit a little from SG community. Strapping your own referral to a random link is far too easy to be allowed here.
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Perhaps you're right, I'm picturing a scenario where people just post the same links (in content and amount) as now, but that might not be the case.
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I see a lot of posts about the fact that it's just one guy making one posts about one shop, while referalls would be thousands or something. I don't think that's how you design rules, but maybe that's just me.
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I'm interested, do you accept copies of free games as payment?
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I stated clearly what I am talking about. The threads I took as an example always have 0 or 1 replies.
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There are referral links that only benefit the person who created them and there are referrals that benefit both parties. The first one is obviously bad, the second one isn't that bad but people would flood the forums with them. I don't think stores should be able to promote here since they're still profiting from it, but on the other hand people want to know about deals. I don't agree with those Gleam giveaways that have referral links in them either, but people here go crazy over any free game. In conclusion: the benefits from referral links aren't good enough for people to tolerate the spam.
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I rest my case. My thought was that since SG is so strict about referrals, it should also be about openly commercial posts. In practice, wild referrals would become a mess of a scale commercial posts currently couldn't reach.
Thanks everyone, it was fun! :)
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You might want to reconsider hiring a better painter :D
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Not my hire, neighbor's renovating and caused a stain on my ceiling. He sent his painter to fix it. I went to check what was going on, he said he rang my bell without answer. I called bullshit. He eventually did the job and I went to work just in time for lunch break. Don't we all love happy endings? :D
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If people could freely post referrals here then the site would soon be overloaded with people spamming referrals in the hope of making a fraction of penny from stuff most likely cheaper elsewhere through a thousand different links in a thousand different topics. But people generally want to hear about genuinely good deals at least once. I'd say just leave that up to the mods.
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You're probably right, after all. I'd still treat the two cases equally.
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I didn't want to call that guy/shop out too hard, because I have nothing personal against them. Look for theads in the deals section with 0 or very few replies.
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It's different because it's made by the shop's staff. And it rarely ever sparks a conversation.
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Let's just say their deals are usually good but not great and people here tend to have high standards on deals. :)
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It's an affiliation program many online shops offer. You get a unique code you can attach to links and when someone buys stuff from that shop following your link, you get some cash (or store credit, or something like that).
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So let's say a website gives you rewards (like games) for points. This website gives you a unique link for your profile to put on the web elsewhere so they know who to give the points to. You then acquire points by getting as many people (or rather unique IP addresses, there are ways to abuse referrals by spoofing/proxy IPs sometimes) to go to this same website and signing up or just clicking and going to your unique link and seeing what this website is offering/advertising and generally just driving up traffic, and therefore revenue, for this site. Honestly a lot of these referral sites operate as pyramid schemes too.
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So I never really understood what's wrong with referral links and whom they harm
If they were allowed, they'd be spammed constantly, and not just by one person ... they'd quickly become an annoyance and clutter the (already cluttered) forums ...
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You're probably right, after all. I'd still treat the two cases equally.
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How would you intend to police referral links? Should ones from these illegal underage gambling sites be allowed? and if not, should they be allowed to cry that you can post your referral links and not them?
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I'm talking about what referral links should be allowed, that's the point of this thread,
What happens when someone posts a G2A Referral link and someone uses it and gets a revoked key, who's responsible? G2A or SteamGifts for adverting them.
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G2A referral links aren't allowed either ;), if I'm right the thread OP basicly says this: Why aren't referral links allowed like you click and buy from a store and I get profit (I think it's fair that those aren't allowed). But why are those daily advertisements of websites allowed? I mean like someone posted about, why is this allowed? I personally think it shouldn't be allowed, maybe 1 or 2 advertisements are allowed but this much? Way too much.
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Allow both, but referrals only with disclosure! So the GA creator would need to write near the link that it's a referral link. (Not that it isn't obvious by looking at the URL, but still, some users may not notice, and transparency is best.)
Edit: sorry I assumed you were talking about links in GA descriptions, on the forums both should be forbidden imho. In the GAs at least you get something in exchange for being exposed to the link/spam, while in the forums it's just clutter.
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So I never really understood what's wrong with referral links and whom they harm. Then I noticed a user from a minor digital game shop posting every single time they have a daily deal and wondered: how is that any better? I mean, of course users post deals all the time here, luckily so, but this is straight from the shop so why make a difference?
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