I guess only politeness.
Part of Steamgift TOS:
If you enter a giveaway, and are randomly generated by the Website as a Winner, you understand that:
SteamGifts is not responsible or liable for providing the Gift, and it is the sole responsibility of the giveaway creator to send the Gift;
SteamGifts cannot guarantee the accuracy of giveaways, and does not warrant you will receive a Gift, or if you do receive a Gift, that it will contain the game represented by the giveaway;
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also something for giveaway creators:
If you post giveaways to the Website, you will be entirely responsible for providing an unused Steam redeemable gift or unused Steam redeemable key (gift or key, further known as "Gift") to a user ("Winner"), who is randomly generated by the Website for each gift represented by your giveaway. You warrant that:
...
within 7 days of the giveaway ending, you will use reasonable efforts to send the Gift to the Winner using the Website services, or the e-mail address the Winner has provided; and
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WTF? Even talking about "forcing them to deliver" will make some GA disappear. In my opinion no "dirty trick" (WTF again?) but a really nice way to give out keys to someone who will maybe have use of it. I also gave away keys of which was unclear if activated or not. As this is the second time I read this question within a few days, these will be group-only in the future ;)
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A I told, it just a politness.
Personally if I see this info I agree to delete GA if there will be problem with working key.
Also - everytime when GA creator asks me for my agreement to delete GA - why don't agree?
This is share-site (steamgifts). If someone have a problem (key doesn't work /etc.) I don't want to make any further problems.
Currently we going to "demand-site" instead of "share-site".
Problem can be spotted by everyone and personally I got situation like this very rarely.
If I created 1000 GA and failed with one = it's a reason to block this person?
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The thing is that you're supposed to do it. Those are the rules. Also, you should provide people with actual keys, not just guesses and estimates.
But if someone said "I don't know if this key works", then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and allow them to delete the giveaway if necessary. But just because I'm willing to do so, doesn't mean that anyone else has to be.
When you join sites and communities, you'll have to abide by the rules. When you make a giveaway, then both sides will have a risk. The receiving end might get a duplicate key, but the giveaway creator might get a "not received" tick on their account.
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If it is truely about sharing and not about cv then you don't need to make a giveaway at all, you can just do a key drop, or randomly give that key as an extra to a winner of another giveaway. The fact that people put a note saying that the winner agrees to delete the giveaway if there is a problem just shows it IS about the cv in which case they are really on the wrong site imho.
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Group-only I think is the best way to handle this situation.
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I don't really have a problem with this if the user is upfront about it. You know ahead of time that you're entering for a key that may be used already. I don't see a good reason to be rude about it if the key turns out to be useless. You can always just skip the giveaway if you don't like the gamble. And if you don't want to see that type of giveaways, blacklists are reciprocal now, so you can just blacklist them and never have your time wasted again.
As far as an official comment goes, though? I notice that a certain staff member makes a ton of giveaways with "I would appreciate it if you let me delete this if something goes wrong" type wording. Since they haven't banned themselves yet, I can only assume that they're fine with it.
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There's a huge difference between "I would appreciate it..." and " By entering you accept...".
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If you post giveaways to the Website, you will be entirely responsible for providing an unused Steam redeemable gift or unused Steam redeemable key (gift or key, further known as "Gift") to a user ("Winner"), who is randomly generated by the Website for each gift represented by your giveaway.
Not expecting people to deliver what they say they're going to deliver not only defeats the purpose of the site, but it also creates more work for support dealing with deletion tickets. IMHO this sort of thing should not be encouraged. The more common it becomes, the more problems it's going to cause. This all started because it was allowed in whitelist giveaways. It's moved well beyond that now.
If I even suspect a key may be compromised, I won't make a giveaway for it, because I feel it's my responsibility to deliver the win. Others may be okay with disappointing their winners. I am not.
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I agree with that last paragraph. The only reason I've had this concern myself is that I've seen that disclaimer come up more an more with people saying it's an old key, and reports that Humble was of no help, and saying keys were for personal use only (not trading). I have had no problem with old keys being honored - to my account or as gifts - and many of my keys are years-old now. I've also had no issue with Humble support, they've been helpful the times I've had to contact them on other issues...it's just that seeing more and more of those disclaimers (particularly ones made on the basis of them being older keys) raises some anxiety.
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By reading this comment you agree to never give me "Not Recieved" ticks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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There's a topic in the forum for orphan keys, to use exactly when you're not sure a key works. If you want to gamble with your key for CV, you should be ready to accept the risk - when I enter I giveaway, I expect to receive something; ideally something I really want, so winning and then not receiving anything... well, it's sad.
Tha said, if I enter a giveaway with this kind of disclaimer, in the end I accept the possible deletion, because I don't like arguments and stuff.
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One significant problem is that if people keep agreeing to deletions for a certain user it could be indicative a greater problem with said user. However deleted giveaways don't show up when looking at a users profile so you'll only know they have them if you have a direct link to them. You could agree that the problem is self-correcting in that they'll lose slots over time but it's not exactly hard to build those up. I currently have 217 slots available, losing a bunch of those to "possibly working keys" really wouldn't impact my ability to use the site.
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No official statements.
For private ga to limited of selected people it is ok. At least they know they risk spending point for null GA, so they can decide not to enter it.
If you make a public GA or to promote your youtube channel it is not... people likely won't read and can legitely report fake GA.
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For private ga to limited of selected people it is ok.
It used to be. You can't place limits/restrictions/requirements any giveaways of any sort now.
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You can get around it, actually, by making a private giveaway and making people post in the thread "I agree to deleting the giveaway if the key doesn't work" before you send them the link. Support is totally fine with people pre-agreeing to the deletion.
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You can make an invite-only group and post GA there or make risky GA to you WL... it is not like people won't agree deleting GA... ^^
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Makes sense to throw the key in the Orphan Keys Drop Thread if there is a chance it may have been activated previously. That way there is no risk of the winner marking the GA as not received. It also doesn't hurt to create a spreadsheet to keep track your keys.
EDIT: In the case of keys that expire (like the HB freebies for example), there should be should be an exception to the rule I would think. Thoughts?
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Since Yirg has not left a comment yet, i´ll just post a link for the Ninja Retreat group. It´s for creating GAs when you´re not sure if your key is still valid. Be aware of the group rules, in the OP of the linked thread.
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I see more and more giveaways with a disclaimer like "By entering this GA you agree to delete if key is duplicate" in it. Is there any official statement about these disclaimers?
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