Will you grab this bundle?
With Dojini (lol for being in groupees too) and Haunting Billy, i'll groupbuy if i can find one.
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Cheers shakti for this thread but its a simple skip for me. Nothing enticing from this bundle.
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Wow, all those games are utter shite! One of the worst Go Go bundles ever. :D
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considering the quality of these titles, it must be very limited
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Just had George's Memories revoked. Was given it by a friend so not sure where he got the key. Two last times it was in a bundle was this one (Go Go Limited #79) and Indiegala's Monday Motivation #56.
So will not point fingers (just going to look funny at Go Go for a while).
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A Steam Product code you activated has been removed from your account.
11 Oct, 2018 George's Memories
so it's 100% this bundle, IG was in August
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bought 3 keys (to share) of George's Memories Ep.1, at DIG.
purchase was made on 2018-10-02.
can't be 100% sure, but i'd still say keys weren't there (at DIG) since August (IG bundle), cause i usually buy "new" keys as soon as they show up on DIG.
seeing that we're back at these sucka-seller-adventures... i've tried to redeem a key and it works.
kinda glad, cause this could means DIG pays developers/publishers/etceteras...
so, i still have two 1 key. if you've created a giveaway and winner got his key revoked, shoot a comment below so i can send it to you
(= no need to file two tickets for deletion)
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My key brought from DIG has been revoked, I'm sure DIG just buys from bundle sites anyway.
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just checked, mine's still there.
(i think to know what happened, but i'll keep the guess for myself)
tip: write a line or two to DIG Support (add the revoked key in your message, if you can)
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On the positive side, I only gave away one key of this game from this bundle. And on even-more-positive side, I had an extra key from Indiegala to replace it.
On the negative side I have 11 more useless keys of this game left over now.
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beware, man. you're still missing the even-more-negative one!
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On the even-more-negative side gogotaku is ancient history by now and key replacement from dev is going to be unlikely in most of these cases. Especially as they realize the gravity of the situation.
Dev will likely never get paid from gogotaku, and revocation of already activated keys sold to innocent customers seems rather heavy-handed and punitive. But it's within their rights.
If I unknowingly buy stolen property from a thief, I don't get to keep the stolen item. Police will make me return it to its rightful owner. I will lose my money paid (I can try to recover it in court by suing the person who sold it to me illegally.) At least in the USA.
However, Steam keys are not even "property" in that sense, they are digital subscription licenses and may be revoked at any time for any reason. Every time we activate a key we accept the agreement without reading it..., which says something like "subscriptions are valid until they are terminated" and Valve can terminate it at any time for any reason. In this case the reason is that the dev/publisher requested it.
I realize 99% of these devs dealing with gogotaku are probably not professionals and do not have an accounts receivable department or a lawyer on retainer. They probably don't know the procedure or have the resources to file a claim as a creditor in liquidation proceedings of a French court anyway.
In my eyes the real anger of the customers should be with gogotaku, they were the facilitators. Whether Bacq Stellan or Chris Hede or whoever was running gogotaku in the final months was knowingly and fraudulently engaging in contracts with devs with the intention of taking the profits and going into liquidation, we may never know. But on the surface it sure looks awfully suspicious to me.
Did I buy games that got revoked? Yes. Does that disappoint and inconvenience me? Yes. Am I going into a rage about it? Nah.
I feel sorry for the devs who got scammed. I wouldn't revoke already-used keys if I were in their position, but I understand why they do it.
Buying trash games for pennies from shady sites moving keys at bulk discounts carries a certain risk. As the old saying goes "if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas."
I've probably had dozens of keys revoked over the years and the Earth is still spinning. Life goes on. And that's the positive side of the negative side. :)
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:) (<-- my answer for you)
can't sleep. like, won't sleep. kinda tough night, here.
maybe i'll keep on thinking about this in a couple of days, so, this is just a.. placeholder, a personal reminder, and while we are here:
the more this happens the more it kinda shows a pattern. i'm thinking about "timing", mostly. also why IG ones are good.
guessing... all this has been done truly better than initially thought.
and a pic:
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Agree, part of the problem comes from us buyers paying next to nothing for the games in a bundle. Drives this cheapskate bundle seller (and trash games) business.
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I won George's Memories Ep.1 in October and the game was also removed from my account.
Does anyone know if I need to contact support/ the giveaway creator?
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You should contact the giveaway hoster first and either he provides you with a new key, or he asks support to delete the gib (with your permission).
If you fail to get in touch with him, then you can contact support and request a change of feedback to "not received".
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This key revoke from Developer must be cancelled by Steam .
If i buy a Bed from a Seller and the Woodworker got not paid from the Factory the Woodworker can not come to me and get my Bed ,
but Steam handled it so its ridiculous .
I see more revokes coming if no one set a Point .
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That is an Agreement betwen the Woodworker and the factory when he get Paid and it don't concerns to me .
i work sometimes and get paid afterwards and if not i have to take proceedings against the Party i have an contract .
I have a Contract with Go Go Bundle and not with the Developer .
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I have a Contract with Go Go Bundle and not with the Developer .
Then go get your money from Go Go Bundle. :P Or, try filing a chargeback if that's available to you?
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the Point is not to get my Money back the Point is it against Law what the Developer did !
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it against Law what the Developer did
I doubt it.
They sold access to a product to Go Go Bundle.
Go Go Bundle didn't pay.
They removed access to the product.
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I don’t know the laws in your country. But in Denmark it’s also against the law, and guess it’s the same in many other countries.
You cannot sell a product on credit, and just drive out taking it back from hundreds of private persons, when you don’t get your money from the company you sold it to. The credit you give the company is at YOUR risk, and does not concern the end user.
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it would depend on where you're situated and what type of consumer laws they have.. So some areas revoking a key someone paid for could be considered unlawful.. Pretty sure in the EU they can't technically remove a purchased key
Although nobody is going to care about a few hundred cases of a product that probably barely total'd over a hundred bucks..
In all honesty most of these developers are better off explaining the situation to their players and releasing a piece of DLC content to recoup the money.. I know many people would be on board with helping out in that way, rather than feeling like they got ripped off..
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but you can't get ownership of something stolen... so if you buy something, that the guy you bought from did not pay for, you will have to give it back. Sooo yes the ppl producing the bed can force you to give it back, or pay for it.
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edit * and yes this is the way in germany, so i guess also in whole of europe. Ofc, if this is the case you are allowed to also get your money back if the seller does not provide a new key(they will even have to buy one from the store if they have none laying around).
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edit 2* also stlpaul descripted the whole thing a little longer ( https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/H6HGk/gogobundle-go-go-bundle-limited-79-apr-02-dojini-revoked#puJJVby ) für the us. for the eu, the only change to that is that eula parts that are surprising are not legal. I would count "subscriptions are valid until they are terminated" as surprising.
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It wasn't stole. The dev willingly authorized the reseller to distribute it. If the dev has not been paid (not proven), then it is a contract dispute. The only wrinkle here is that you don't actually buy or own a game. It is liscenced for use.
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Yes, actually had a chat with that dev last week, about some broken achievements, he seemed nice enough willing to fix it, to feel this might been an accident and he will give a solution, also he would have revoked other games of his.
I mailed him again just now about this thing.
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Rofl, that shit doesn't even give +1. Like anybody cares
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here I am too, revoked even for me yee ahah at this point, who even cares.. =\
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Response from Dojini dev.
"Thanks for me letting me know of the issue
I made a mistake all I can do it learn from it "
Here is a new key xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx.
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Well this time the developer didnt like me ...
"Hey,
I need to be more careful with the way I distribute my keys I understand you bought a group by but I don’t want these keys to be resold or distributed in weird way I need to know how my keys are being used.
I am sorry "
My reply:
"What?
I didnt bought a group. What i did was a groupbuy for this bundle, if you cant send me the 150 keys tell me , and i will contact all the users of the groupbuy to contact you thenselfs to ask for a new key
What i did was not a profit nor to be resold later, was just a groupbuy to get the best price to all the users that participate in the groupbuy"
His final reply:
"Yeah thats fine
could you get them to email me"
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rOt 2
Just got revoked from my account. I had traded for it 8 months ago. Developer revoked all keys sold/consigned to GoGoBundle for non-payment. Wouldn't be surprised if keys from other sites are revoked because they sourced them from GoGoBundle.
Go Go Bundle Limited #79 https://barter.vg/bundle/3731/
Looks like it was a bulk buy bundle.
Developer claims (copied in case dev edits or deletes):
IF YOU GOT YOUR CODE REVOKED
Dear users,
If you got your code revoked, it was bought at GoGoBundle. The owner of this website didn't pay my share of the sales, and as part of the agreement, the keys were revoked. Also, the owner now owns a website of cheat bundles.
Cheers,
Lospi
source:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/932250/discussions/0/2269195350116935905/
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Me too, I've won here about a year ago in January 2019.
I imagine he got it from this bundle, I can't believe they've waited that long after the fact to revoke it.
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Do you understand that you're trying to punish the developer who got scammed just like you? It's the bundle reseller who should take responsibility and face consequences.
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You know, that is how businesses works... If you sell something with credit, you will risk never getting your money. If you do not like this, then get the money upfront.
The problem is between the two companies, not us...
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The problem is between you and the site you bought stolen thing from. Not the developer.
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You are totally right, since the developer just made it between us and the bundle site by revoking the keys.
But the developer just admitted to fraud in the thread posted on Steam. That's why I reported the developer and the game.
If what you were selling were a physical thing, you wouldn't go out to all the customers and take back your product... It's illegal even if it's a digital product.
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They would if they could.
If you buy a stolen car you don't get to keep it either. I don't see why it should be any different for digital product.
And you have lot of ways to solve issue, contact the seller, contact the payment provider, take them to court. Simple.
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So what is the big deal then? If they aren't ready to take minimal common steps to reclaim their money. Why do they expect to get stuff for free?
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No you are wrong. Why should developer be one to suffer? And the scammers profit?
The buyer by keeping the fraudulently acquired product and the seller the money?
Isn't it justice that the product gets disabled. The buyers reclaim the money from sellers. And the seller doesn't get to keep his criminal gains. If the developer is lucky they might even get some money as people rebuy the product from legitimate source...
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And it's customer's fault they dealt with GO-GO in first place. So their should own up to it and have them sort it out for them.
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Look for laws in your country regarding owning stolen gods. Everywhere you're not "owner" of something when you bought it from thief. Even if you paid for it. Police will simply confiscate goods you bought and you're not given any refund. You'd need to go for money to thief. Not original owner.
If developer made deal with HumbleBundle to get 1$ for every sold bundle with their game and didn't get a penny - they have every right to revoke all keys they gave to HB. And customers need to contact with HB, not developer, as it's bundle site at fault.
If you buy stolen goods, the general rule is that you are not the legal owner even if you paid a fair price and didn’t know that the goods were stolen. The person who originally owned them is still the legal owner.
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If you discover you’ve bought stolen goods you should stop using them immediately.
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If you know who the legal owner of the goods is you should inform them that you have their goods and let them take them away. If you don’t give them back and the owner finds out you have them, the owner can apply for a court order to make you return the goods.
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In the first part you are talking about stolen gods. In the second part you are talking about breach of contract, which is two totally different things.
In this case the developer sold games to GoGoBundle on credit. Then GoGoBundle went bankrupt, and the developer didn't get his money. This is the risk you are taking when selling things with credit. If you are not willing to risk losing your money, then you have to get the money upfront.
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Did you just call me a scammer? I've reported you to the mods.
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Yes, I mean you scammed Steam by calling a non-scam game a scam?
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If you have to buy it twice to own it, its probably a scam.
developer deliberately sold his keys through this retailer,
if anything he takes responsibility to where he decides to sell his keys.
furthermore his word is not proof of not receiving payment,
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Developer got his wares stolen. He did only right thing and disabled those wares, just like other stolen property with remove wipe. Customer complains instead dealing with shop who is his direct contact.
Really the entitlement in this age... People really want the original owner to give their stolen phone or car to them for free if they purchased it from the thief...
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It´s not stolen the Developer gave the Keys away to get paid later .
He get scammed and now he scammes the People who paid for the Keys,
and who knows if he got Money or what kind of Contract he had !
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And now only thing the people who knowingly bought from shady source have to do is to go after that shady source. Doesn't seem too complicated and too much to ask.
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It was such shady site - why did people buy from them? Their fault, now take the responsibility and deal with it.
For all we know the contract might have included provision for revoking keys, which the site failed to inform it customers. Still issue between customers and site not in anyway involving the poor developer.
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and the Developer tradet his Keys to a shady source to get more Profit
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To get even some money really. And now people want to keep their stolen stuff even if dev received none... Absolutely no personal responsibility...
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You might have paid for it but the party you got the game did not. Thus fraud. Thus the chain moves to both directions. You deal with the seller and dev deals with seller by disabling the fraudulently acquired products. Easy and simple.
Why should you get away scot-free from buying fraudulently acquired product? I think it's entirely reasonable for you to deal with the party you originally dealt with.
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Question is, did he?
Or was he paid poorly due to low bundle sales
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Dont know how the entitlement front works against me.
As explained below i already skip these bundles and developers, precisely to avoid dealing with such problems.
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People really want the original owner to give their stolen phone or car to them for free if they purchased it from the thief...
I would like to:
- The original owner giving proof that it's their phone or car and that it was indeed stolen. Preferably by going to the police in order for them to catch the thief.
- Deal with the police (in this case, Valve/Steam), not the original owner.
I don't see myself waking in the middle of the night with someone standing right next to me and saying "oh, don't worry, I just came to get my stolen phone back, you can go back to sleep now".
There's a lot to discuss about Valve/steam's responsibility in all this, too.
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Personally, i only trust fanatical and HB
don't know why people keep buying these bundles. The bundle provider cant find a single non trash game, the developers are scammers and broke.
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Discussion thread is now gone. Nice way to do things.
I asked him two things there. One was why would he go through all the hassle of revoking the Steam keys if he is going to make his games free. And the other one was regarding his first comment, because he said that the owner of Gogo/Otaku is running a new scam bundle site and I asked him which one is it.
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He also changed the name of his company on steam (developer and publisher) from Lospi to LaPlace
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Lospi is the correct spelling.
Developer: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Lospi
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Changed the to and lospi. my head wasn't working while I typed that message :P
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Go Go Bundle Limited #79
1 Tier, 19 Games + 2 Soundtrack
11 October 2018 - 19 November 2018
View this bundle on: ITAD - Barter.vg - Lestrades
Purchase Options:
$0.99 per bundle (if you buy x1)
$0.75 per bundle (if you buy x2)
$0.60 per bundle (if you buy x5)
$0.50 per bundle (if you buy x10)
$0.45 per bundle (if you buy x20)
$0.35 per bundle (if you buy x50+)
Jun 04: Z: Escape revoked from your library. Send an email to ervenstar.games@gmail.com for a replacement key. source
Apr 02: Dojini revoked from your account. (complaint thread)
If you bought this via a GroupBuy, you'll need to email de developer yourself. source
George's Memories Ep.1 unused keys have been revoked. (complaint thread)
rOt 2 keys have been revoked (already activated on your account + unused keys). (complaint thread)
☠ - Game was free at some time and does not grant any CV if given away.
⚙️ - Steam is learning about this game, therefore some features will be limited (no card drops, achievements won't count, the game will not give a +1 to your library etc.) More Changes Addressing Fake Games
Retail:
CV:
Group buys:
Kenshin - Asia
Manueluis - EU
PrinzVonBillAir - EU
GroupBundl.es - US
Are you interested in knowing other ongoing bundles? Feel free to check out the new master thread!
Wondering what games you already own from this bundle? There's an extension/UserScript for that! It's called the RaChart™ Enhancer!
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