I am wondering how many of the people affected by this whole gamers gate controversy this year had actually been a longtime customer of gamers gate (say level 4 or even 3 in their "experience" system)?
Gamers gate had no issues with honoring their price mistakes in the past however this year, it was posted all over the Internet in places like reddit and CAG and had a much wider exposure; this coupled with the fact that the loss that they were going to make from each sale (since it was below what the publisher allowed them to sell for) was going to be drastic led them to this point here (let's not forget the opportunists who bought a bunch of them to trade and the ones who bought extras to give to friends, etc). I am not saying that had the price issue not be known on such a massive scale and only their longtime customers had bought the bundle, they would not have issued refunds; they certainly would not have had this sort of backlash now though. In such situations, I generally empathize and look at the situation from my point if view had I been in GG shoes. Even if one cannot do that, answer this: would you rather have the company go bankrupt from the money they stand to loose? If you were in gamersgate's place, would you have honored the purchases even if it meant you would go bankrupt because of what you would have to pay out of your own pockets to the publishers to make up for the price difference between what it was sold for and what they told you to charge?
I do agree, however, that they went about the Bethesda bundle the wrong way wrt to their tweets. Should never have implied that refunds were optional.
Ps: wrote this in the iPhone so their may be some silly autocorrect madness going on in what I wrote.
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I am level 4 (half way to level 5 in fact).
I made a couple purchases at GG before getting the IGN discount, but my interest in the site and my purchases there really took after acquiring it. I spent about $500 there over the course of 2-3 months (some of it as a proxy for others) and I recommended their site to many friends and family. After the extremely disappointing and insulting way they handled the abrupt and unjust removal of the IGN discount (and I am not altogether convinced they were not lying through their teeth about it being a mistake of wording) my purchases dropped down to almost nothing (I only picked up the latest Indie Fort bundle, and I think maybe one game for a friend afterward).
I purchased two Bethesda bundles, one for myself and one for a close friend who asked me to do so because he was working that night. While I believe I would feel disappointed and legally in the right regardless, I would have been much more understanding if they had come out the next day and said, "We had a computer glitch, we can't sell those bundles for that price, we're going to issue you all refunds." However they did not do this. They lead us to believe that the orders would be honored. With this in mind I traded a couple inventory copies I had not yet activated of games from the bundle, and I gave a couple game keys as gifts to friends. Now I am lacking those games I traded (I only got a couple of the keys from the bundle, less than half) and there is a chance the gifted keys will be revoked (a rather embarrassing situation for me).
Gamersgate has consistently not treated me with respect or honesty. They prefer to remain silent and/or to release very carefully worded and "spun" messages in an attempt to "manage" my (and other customers') reactions. They have replied to almost no support emails regarding this problem, they have hidden away the "update" post on their site rather than posting it on the front page, and they are not active on Facebook, Twitter, or their Game Tutor. They have yet to give definite word what is going to happen to the already activated keys, or to the bundles which were partially activated. They kept our money for almost a week (an inexcusable forced "loan") and they have yet to refund some people whose orders they have cancelled.
My opinion of them was extremely low BEFORE these latest pricing debacles because of the IGN discount issue. I would have been happy to see them fail, and in fact the only reason I purchased the Bethesda bundles was because I knew none of my money would go to them. At best they are extremely incompetent: failing at translation, customer service, pricing, and staffing (what other major retailer is so poorly staffed around a major shopping time of the year?). At worst they are an extremely shady bunch that are happy to be secretive and dishonest when necessary to better their position.
Bottom line, if they are going to treat me with such utter disrespect, like an enemy they are looking for an advantage over in fact, then I see no reason not to treat them likewise. I am legally in the right as far as being entitled to both bundles which I purchased at their posted prices. As far as I am concerned once I get the keys that I legally paid for they can close up shop for good. Whether incompetent or dishonorable (or most likely some combination of both), they do not deserve to remain in business, supported by mine or anyone's money.
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They could even save face and financial losses if they had just communicated with customers and provided refunds in a timely manner and communicated what would happen in the case of partially activated/gifted bundles.
I'd be less irate if I just knew what was going to happen and a timeframe for it. People can accept that things aren't going to go as they wish it to as long as they have the situation explained to them. I just want to know if I will get the rest of my keys, an approximate timeframe on this, and if I won't, what is going to happen with the items I gifted and what I was able to activate. I am only upset because I don't have the answers to these things. I can deal with waiting, I just want to know that waiting is the course of action I should be taking.
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The pricing error for the Bethesda Bundle was up for 9 hours. Many people who initially thought it was merely a pricing error eventually were convinced that it was in fact just a Christmas miracle. The logic was that if it was a pricing error the site would have either closed or fix the issue much sooner.
Yes, they are forced to work on a holydays just for you, the checked it back once they new of the problem, that's more than enough.
5 - It is illegal to force refunds after the completed purchase of a product (differs in countries).
No is not, too many people are not well informed about this stuff.. you really think that the only protected here is you, but I'm sorry, the bussiness will always be more law protected than you, and so is the case at least in europe, even if almost no one knows those laws, they do exists.
for example here, if the pricing mistake is hurting the company, they have all the rights to cancel all those orders.. since here the price was lower than the product cost, is obviously legal for them to cancel them.
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I didnt use them before because they refused to take payment from me. The bethesda pack was the first thing i managed to get and thats only because i used paypal
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This. My friend bought a copy of borderlands 2 the other day, full price.
They wont give him a refund and they cant give him a key.
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This. My friend bought a copy of borderlands 2 the other day, full price.
They wont give him a refund and they cant give him a key.
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he sent an suport ticket asking for a refund, it's been 2 or 3 days now with no reply, so he doesnt know whats going on and has no money to buy it anywhere else.
He bought it to play this week as he had the week off.
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true.
i suppose i did get that wrong. either way, its still shoddy and put me off the company completely
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I had an interesting thought a few days ago and did not think then to post it here. Has it crossed anyone else's mind that this may have been a ploy to get a short-term loan? Perhaps their business before this mess was not so good and they were in a jam, needing to cover payroll or a loan payment to a bank or utilities or some such thing. They had cash coming in, but it would not arrive until a week or two too late. So, to get that loan they post these "glitches", sit on the money for almost a week (and in some cases STILL have not refunded people whose orders they have cancelled), and then issue refunds once their cash comes in.
Some companies employ some rather "creative" bookkeeping, so this would not entirely surprise me, especially given their track record. It would also explain why they sat on the money rather than immediately issuing refunds. Did it really take them 5-6 days to figure out that they could not afford all those keys?
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Also gonna paste a comment someone posted in another thread regarding GG's "update" that is somewhat related.
"Well, they SAY that the pricing issues are down to technical issues, but there HAS to be a degree of human intervention. After all, how does the software know when to initiate a deal, and for how much?
I suspect this "explanation" is to get around certain legalities in a desperate attempt to sidestep consumer protection law in some countries. The truth is that there MUST be some human error involved, whether that is a miskeying of a discount, too many left-clicks, or simply a failure to confirm that the discount has been applied correctly.
My take is that Gamersgate are acting outside of the law, presumably in an attempt to stay viable. They cannot afford to fulfil the orders without risking financial ruin, so are hoping to get away with an illegal enforced refund, which will not be challenged due to the comparatively low value of the transactions.
Time will tell whether this brinkmanship will pay off..."
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I'm not saying you're wrong but I could see it taking 5-6 days to determine what the best course of action is. They probably had to consult with lawyers, the publisher, look at their finances, write refund scripts based on their legal/business decisions. Each of these steps takes time and 5-6 days seems about right to me.
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even if it was such a stunt, i hardly think that they are ever gonna get back credibility from customers in future, there are amazing bundles on other sites and personally i am never looking back at GG
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Sent in a support ticket regarding the "official reply" on the 29th with a set of questions that ALL users of gamersgate need to know, no reply yet of course but have a copy here for reference...
Having read through your (minimal) statement regarding the bethesda new year collection (hereby referred purely as the bundle) & given myself time to process its content it has raised several questions in my mind regarding your practices as outlined below...
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I LOL'd. :D Not sure if serious or not ("hereby referred to as the contract"'s completely wrong use makes me think it's a joke post), but definitely a funny way to ring in the New Year. I also sent their support an email, and I've copy/pasted it here:
Having read through your (minimal) statement regarding the bethesda new year collection (hereby referred purely as the bundle) & given myself time to process its content it has raised several questions in my mind regarding your practices as outlined below...
Yours sincerely,
Prince Wizard of I Read A EULA Once
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Thought some of you here might find this post interesting which I found in one of the MANY threads on this topic on the game tutor (courtesy jmaruhn).
"Since it looks like GG is being useless I'd suggest pestering one of their VP's. Meet Daniel Hjelmtorp a VP at GG and also the Partner Manager, aka the guy who keeps things nice and frosty between GG and those that provide their business.
You can contact him via Skype: daniel.hjelmtorp
Or email: daniel@gamersgate.com
I don't think GG would be too happy if his phone # was left here.
I'm sure if enough distress is sent to him, maybe citing that you're willing to complain to GG's partnerships, something might be done a bit quicker."
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GG still being retarded part.324232587867
Hi
This email is a mass reply sent to all customers with tickets including Bethesda and Borderlands tags. If your question was not about our problem during the holiday, we are sorry. Please reply again and we will try to solve YOUR problem. Unfortunately this error caused a lot of problem and the support is overrun and this is an attempt to catch up.
If your problem IS about the holiday problem, here is a link that explains the problem.
http://www.gamersgate.com/info/holiday-sale-issue
This link will be the official way to explain the problem. We will not get engaged into individual discussions about this through the support system. Not that we don’t care, we simply can’t manage that with the resources available
Andreas P
Customer Support Manager
GamersGate
And I still don't know what with the Bethesda pack that I bought for my friend, got refunded money, 4 keys were generated in that pack and the pack is still on my friend account -.-
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Compilation of reasons of why people are mad.
By kesutu (slighty edited for better wording)
In no particular order:
1 - They heavily implied that all purchases of the Bethesda bundle would be honored. If they had immediately came out and said "Sorry guys, that was a pricing error, apologies", then there would be a lot less backlash. However, they issued these two twitter statements:
https://twitter.com/GamersGate/status/282458640152141824
"The Bethesda bundle is now unavailable and we will not get new serials until middle of January next year."
https://twitter.com/GamersGate/status/282458751448002560
"if you want a refund for your Bethesda bundle purchase due to the lack of serials please contact our support. Sorry for this"
These tweets heavily implied that Bethesda bundle purchases will be honored.
2 - The pricing error for the Bethesda Bundle was up for 9 hours. Many people who initially thought it was merely a pricing error eventually were convinced that it was in fact just a Christmas miracle. The logic was that if it was a pricing error the site would have either closed or fix the issue much sooner.
For anyone that argues that the price was clearly unreasonable, here is a bundle from Amazon that has a retail value of $250 and is being sold for $30 ($25 with 2K coupon, and $20 if you include the $5 promotional credit you get for purchasing.) It's not far-fetched for one to think GamersGate was actually selling at that price.
3 - A total of 7+ (many more, including less prominent ones) pricing errors have been recorded in the past week.
This honestly seems like some sort of terrible marketing ploy. Why else would there be so many pricing errors spread out over the course of a week?
4 - They essentially break their own rules: http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/info/terms-of-use
"Prices GamersGate reserves the right to change the price and availability of any products at any time without notice; provided, however, such price change will not affect your purchase price for orders that GamersGate has already received from you and processed."
5 - It is illegal to force refunds after the completed purchase of a product (differs in countries).
6 - Things that could have happened after someone thought they'd bought the games:
This negatively impacts the consumer in a significant manner.
(Credit to yay_icade_support from Reddit)
7 - Some people have no received refunds despite having their orders cancelled.
8 - Lack of communication. The notices GamersGate has posted on their site and Facebook page lacks any sort of useful information. Consumers are essentially left in the dark. (credit to ladynadiad)
9 - They continue to sell games for which they have no stock (specifically Borderlands 2 and Bethesda games) and do not state so on the game page. (credit to Kiina)
I'm sure there are many other reasons, but these are just a few reasons why people are mad. I personally am not angry they refunded my purchase, I'm angry that they implied they would honor them, then went back on their word. These actions are not acceptable by any company. Even if this was not a marketing ploy to garner more attention to the site, do you really want to give your money to a bunch of amateurs who manage to repeatedly screw up something so basic? Next thing you know, they actually keep their accounts and passwords on an unencrypted .txt file and manage to lose it. There are many places where you can buy cheap games; GamersGate is not one of them.
TL;DR: The majority of people are upset at how GamersGate is handling the situation.
Also. IGN 15% off. Forever mad.
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