Sorry, I think that giving away loads of bundles, then consciously hunting for some ridiculously low sales on other games not on the bundle list, so you can give a few non-bundle games away to raise your non-bundle contrib. value to more than 80% of your total value (so you get full value out of those bundles you've given away while still spending ridiculously low amounts of cash) is a strategy, too. In fact, it's all I see these contrib. whores do.

$15 a week for the first two and then it drops to a crawl since you need non-bundle games.

Maybe they offer Toki Tori for a low price? :p

Sure they will - if they're entering all the 1k+ or 2k+ giveaways. Besides that, as I tried stating clearly in my original post, it's not about how much they have or haven't given away - it's about the idea of rewarding people who see higher contrib. value as an incentive, not an incidental stat. As in, whether or not they've given away 2 or 3 hundred bucks' worth of stuff, they've consciously, selfishly plotted in a way that gave them 2k+ value, and are being rewarded for it.

The only other thing I can say is that since more and more of these douches are popping up, I see more and more giveaways with 1k or 1.5k contrib limit that have 100+, 150+ entries. So, what you see happening is that they're ruining it for themselves and each other, as the pool of dishonest types entering these giveaways is increasing.

So, first, you had "30.01" giveaways "to counter leeches". What now, then? cg recently raised the limit even more. Where is this all heading? Eventual 3k+ giveaways for the "real" nice people? That lock out people who otherwise would be quite fairly rewarded for their generosity, but maybe don't have so much to spend? Had they chosen to spend time trying to fool the system instead, and spent less money, maybe they would have been able to enter those giveaways. Right? -_-

For some, exactly. Which is the precise problem.

we're getting weekly threads at this point with well articulated arguments

i'd say it is.

Some people just have to make a buisness out of everything. If they could sell AIDS they would probably do it. OP didn't get what Steamgifts is about....

... try actually reading my post and what it's about. This has nothing to do with Tremorgames, or how to actually use their site properly.

Actually, it does work. I've been picking up keys for rainy days this way.

This is not a way to get games quickly, but it does come out 'free-ish' if you're just playing those videos in the background, muted, while you're doing something else you'd prefer to do.

About time, fgt

Hes making that site look fancy just so everyone signs up using his refferal, lol

... try actually reading my post and what it's about. This has nothing to do with Tremorgames, or how to actually use their site properly.

My post has nothing to do with Tremorgames specifically - it has to do with the contributor whoring going on here. The post I saw on this group from this guy who was trying to get refs for himself inspired me to segue into the broader topic of rewarding dishonesty going on here on the site. Also, see my replies to jatan11t for more sound argumentation.

I am not griping about this "exploit" specifically, but using it as an example of the mindset of types strategising over how to boost their stat higher.

Try reading my whole post, then posting. My post has nothing, 0, zilch, nada to do with Tremorgames, or free tokens, or what people actually spent on their games. It has to do with the decrepit practise of trying to exploit the contributor system.

... try actually reading my post and what it's about. This has nothing to do with Tremorgames, or how to actually use their site properly.

one of the guys i won crazy machines from added at least $600 to their account, and another I noticed dropped $50 into the gala store just for all these keys.

$500 is small chumps. but hey, at least crazy machines isn't a terribad game.

Ignite spam, Magicka spam, Shadow Harvest spam, Sleeping Dogs spam, there's so goddamn many. If you're in several groups on Steam like Hookups, you get updates on so many sales, you can easily strategise ways to exploit the system.

Heck, you can even get Hitman Absolution for around 20 (was something like 18,99 or 18,95 or something) bucks in a bundle PLUS all other Hitman games, excepting only "Hitman: Contracts". Give those away, watch your stat jump. I even saw some sale somewhere (that I didn't look in to or check out so don't know any details) for I think 10 bucks for Absolution. And there's trades like this all over, all the time.

Oh thank you wise one. But being old and wise enough to know and to some extent accept that doesn't mean that you must be complacent when such crap exploitation of a system designed originally as a tool for positive energy gets actively rewarded with very low entry giveaways.

You fucking get it, what a breath of fresh air :)

See my replies to jatan11 for a little more thinking into all this, and the potential effect(s) further down the line.

I know how you feel about bundle keys. People judge you if you give away a bundle game but that shouldn't change what you give away.
Bundle games are just as good as other games, sometimes even better and it sucks that there is a negative shroud around giving them away.
It shouldn't matter what you give, people should understand that maybe they can afford to buy games and not play the ones they win but there are people out there who do enjoy playing any games they can because they just don't have the money.

It's a shame that something designed with the purpose to share things with others can have a whole nother side to it where people are judged because what they give away is 'sub standard' in the eyes of those who can afford not to buy bundles.

+1

Did you even bother reading properly?

1. This is some users' own post, nothing off TremorGames themselves.
2. You obviously don't understand the "get loads of bundles, then a few non-marked but extremely cheap games to get full game value out of all your bundles' games" strategy.
3. My own low number of giveaways is solely, purely down to 1 thing, as I have actually told you before - I am skin flint, close to broke, and have spent money I didn't really have at times on making giveaways for others. My comparatively high number of wins is a result of being in several smaller groups, and a few lucky streaks. The two are entirely separate stats to me - had I a steady job now, at a salary level around what someone my age / experience in IT would be earning on average, the numbers would probably be the other way 'round - I'd be buying way more games myself, entering almost no giveaways, and spending at least 100 - 150 bucks a month on making giveaways for others. There is no strategy involved, ffs. Am I happy with my wins? Hell yes! Am I grateful? Same! Do I feel guilty over winning so many even though I gave away less? Hell no. I got lucky in random draws, and was gifted by many different people. And I always put thought and effort into choosing what to give away for others, making descriptions with jokes, links, stories etc, and spend as much as I can, quite literally at the moment.

As far as "it's in the gray"? Umm, no, it's not? If you're purely trying to find which combination of games you can give away to give you the max possible contributor value, you're exploiting the system, pure and simple. If your supermarket has some discount coupons and you find a way, through some loophole they hadn't thought of, to stack the coupons and walk out of the supermarket with entirely free items that you were supposed to only pay less for, you've been strategising ways to exploit the system. Period.

Only, here, you're not screwing some big corporation. You're screwing a people-built community, and their good intentions in making high contrib. giveaways as a thank you for others' generosity.

Yah, no shit. OP has won some damn good games within his 100+ wins. Nice job working the system to your advantage.
Then look at the COMPARITIVE garbage he's given away from the 20 there. Wow. Time to get off your high horse and go back to being the douche you're complaining about.

You gave away $500 on Crazy Machines alone. In fact, you were who I was mentioning in one of my previous posts.
Yes, most games are bought in sales but there is a different between saving $15 and getting $500 in contrib value for around $50 worth of games.

Whooooo, I love feeling silly.

Later. Whenever is that again?

Orly? Why?

Ominous ...

:)

Actually read my post! There's not one ref link in it!

When your chance at winning a game when you've given a lot to the community is pushed back because of exploiters it can make you pretty angry.
People who gave away very good games started upping their minimum contributor value to enter their giveaways to avoid these exploiters winning.
It isn't just about contributor value, it's also about principle and morals.
This is a FREE site and when people exploit something that is free people either start to leave or the system starts to fail.
Websites like this rely on trust and honesty. Following the rules. I don't think that is too much to ask of anyone.

Might as well include everyone who buys a game on sale and gifts it.

the ultimate leecher is someone who never makes any giveaways.

this is an amazing derail.

inb4 threads complaining about private group farming?

You're only a troll who's mad at me for reporting what a douche you are to other groups and their admins. You entered private giveaways not meant for you in another group I admin, that were put in chat as stream giveaways during streams the group was doing, where the people in chat were all watching the streams and participating. And when we asked you to un-enter, you even once told the maker of the giveaway to fuck off, because he shouldn't have put the link in chat. You trolled our chat, spammed our chat, and leeched giveaway links off it while lurking and not participating in the chat with anything more than a hi / bye when entering / leaving, and the occasional (once or twice in 2 or 3 days) one or two sentence random, often off-tangent replies to things being discussed in chat, that when read, showed you hadn't even bothered reading the chat or what was actually being said at the time. You were kicked 3 times, before an eventual ban off the chat, in a group with 1,000+ members, where hardly anyone is ever banned from chat.

Just so everyone reading this knows why you're trying to piss me off and harass me here.

As for a response to the point you make - let me copypasta what I said to chairmankao, to save you some time looking for it:

"My own low number of giveaways is solely, purely down to 1 thing - I am skin flint, close to broke, and have spent money I didn't really have at times on making giveaways for others. My comparatively high number of wins is a result of being in several smaller groups, and a few lucky streaks. The two are entirely separate stats to me - had I a steady job now, at a salary level around what someone my age / experience in IT would be earning on average, the numbers would probably be the other way 'round - I'd be buying way more games myself, entering almost no giveaways, and spending at least 100 - 150 bucks a month on making giveaways for others. There is no strategy involved, ffs. Am I happy with my wins? Hell yes! Am I grateful? Same! Do I feel guilty over winning so many even though I gave away less? Hell no. I got lucky in random draws, and was gifted by many different people. And I always put thought and effort into choosing what to give away for others, making descriptions with jokes, links, stories etc, and spend as much as I can, quite literally at the moment."

Thanks for the entirely off-topic post. Anyway, good tips and all, but this thread has nothing to do with Tremorgames.

^

Thanks xara. Makes me go -_-

I was thinking the same.

Support itself has already posted in here. Chances are slim. Also, why do you hope that? Oh wait, I just looked at your profile. Right. Now I see why.

Actually, this is exactly why I am glad to be out the group, and don't bother entering giveaways off types like this anymore. I already had huge doubts about being in the group anyway because you seemed fine with letting people in who were doing giveaways purely for selfish gain, nothing more, so had already given up the idea of feeling good about making giveaways for the group, and being a bit "responsible" in my entries. I admit to some spite and anger, which I am now glad has fallen off my shoulders, as it was a weight I didn't like on my shoulders, and made me behave unbecoming of me. I would most likely have left the group myself anyway, especially had you actually messaged me and talked to me about things before you kicked me - like you so strongly told me to always do when I was admin; never kick people without talking to them first, right?

I've found a different group, where there are no pressures whatsoever, no "minimal contribution, chat time" or anything rules, really, just some nice people, an actually active chat, with actually decent discussions, and a few incidental giveaways, where the people actually poll and ask each other what to give away in chat, actively discuss it. And where people actually seem to understand the idea of "intent" and the difference between "intent" and "result", which you seem to have trouble grasping, always. Where not half the people are purely kissing mods asses to gain favour (read: half, not all).

Also, you do say "Ya some may exploit it but I also think people exploit things other ways too." which entirely defeats every argument you've ever given me. As I said so often to you, but you really don't seem to be able to wrap your head around, there is a difference between people who are low on funds, want to still give something back, and buy one or two bundles to be able to do so, and people thinking "hmm, if I buy 10 bundles, that's 10 bucks. Now, if I buy 3 Hitman Absolutions for 10 bucks (there's a sale somewhere for it atm), I'll spend 40 bucks on it, and get back more than 600 bucks contributor value!" People like that are CONSCIOUSLY PLANNING WAYS to get more contributor value, nothing more. They aren't doing giveaways to make others happy, or in any way give a damn about others - only spending as little as possible to win more games. You can try to argue that ad nauseum, but its' pointless - the proof is in the pudding, as was also shown when I told you about a chat I had with one of the my giveaways' winners. He flat-out admitted to only doing giveaways to farm contrib. value as cheaply as he could, but no, that's fine, right?

As for your other critique - you say "..but then giveaway a game someone gave you and another that cost you very little."

I haven't, not once yet, given away a game someone gave me, at all. Neither have I in your group. I made 3 giveaways - I bought those games with my own damn money, and bought them out of feelings of guilt and pressure, when I already hardly had enough to even buy the basics with for myself - food. I made the giveaways, taking more than an hour to find funny images, type up a well formatted description, with a lot of thought and effort put into both that, as well as the game chosen to give away to begin with.

As for my high number of wins compared to my given away games? Let me copypaste something for you:

"My own low number of giveaways is solely, purely down to 1 thing - I am skin flint, close to broke, and have spent money I didn't really have at times on making giveaways for others. My comparatively high number of wins is a result of being in several smaller groups, and a few lucky streaks. The two are entirely separate stats to me - had I a steady job now, at a salary level around what someone my age / experience in IT would be earning on average, the numbers would probably be the other way 'round - I'd be buying way more games myself, entering almost no giveaways, and spending at least 100 - 150 bucks a month on making giveaways for others. Am I happy with my wins? Hell yes! Am I grateful? Same! Do I feel guilty over winning so many even though I gave away less? Hell no. I got lucky in random draws, and was gifted games by many different people. There's no one person I have taken a lot from, without giving back to. And I always put thought and effort into choosing what to give away for others, making descriptions with jokes, links, stories etc, and spend as much as I can, quite literally at the moment."

And to stay on-topic, are you saying that people that are posting the kind of "instructionals" I posted are ok? And the fact people like that get the reward of low entry, high contrib giveaways, that were meant for generous people, is ok?

but it isn't, since high contribution boosting will lead to giveaways with even higher contribution value (as to lock out those who abused the $1 keys), and that'll lock out even more of the legitimate users.

this is just an endless cycle that'll only escalate, not depress. you can call it a flaw in the system if you want.

If you read the comments, OP amoungst others have explained why they feel this way. But yes, wotgamer ( ^See Above^ ) sums it up nicely.

Well expoloited keys "di per se" are objectively bad,
but the OP seems to be angry about bundles or keys from sales aswell,which in my honest view are not in any way wrong.