I can't talk for others, but I doubt all 50+ million people using adblock use it just to "make sure that these people you love to watch make no money what so ever so I know you don't give a shit what youtube does".
Adblock can be seen as an additional layer of security since it also blocks harmful ads that spread various spyware and even viruses. The main reason why I use adblock is to be able to enjoy various content without distractions (I find it hard to read news / articles with bright flashing ad banners next to it). However, I don't use adblock on websites I visit frequently IF I know they need the ads to keep running.
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Yeah the issue here isn't adblock. . . only the sad fact that people running adblock need not care for they are already doing all they can to deny the money that is being denied due to this issue.
PS thank-you for sharing BS reason 235 for using adblock. I'm sorry but I believe letting ads run to support the sites you visit or the video makers you like is a small price to pay. . . Add any excuse you want you are using a service and denying that service it's ability to fund itself no matter how you paint it. Antivirus covers the rest. . . and if it doesn't then that's a bad site and most likely running illegal stuff anyway. . . but hey till you need ad revenue to run a site you don't know do you?
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So you're saying you're fine with some of the adverts that have run on even Steamgifts lately? I don't use Adblock, but I've been tempted to install it because of a bunch of videos that have appeared all around the internet these last few months that automatically play videos, at a random moment, and then never, ever stop. There's no pause button, there's no mute button. There's a goddamn reason people use Adblock. Because adverts can be intrusive. If they stop being, most people would not have an issue with them. This is why I say your sorry is bullshit. Because you're not sorry. You haven't met anyone in the middle, you're insistent on your own opinion of Adblock and fuck anyone who dares to believe differently about it. This is why you left the first time, I believe, schalart, because people called you on your shit all the time and got fed up of it, so you, in your endless ridiculousness, decided not to assume that maybe it wasn't your views that needed another look at, or maybe it was time to simply disengage, but that they're wrong and they're bullying you because they know you're right.
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my sorry is towards being insulting not towards supporting adblock Jade. . . I do not have to condone the actions of people refusing to support the people who host sites like this. . . You are part of the site if you don't like the ads suggest new ones. . . less intrusive ones. don't say what I said was bullshit because I don't mean to insult people I stand by that.
"EDIT: I was too harsh on people Using Adblock I don't like people using it but I took out what was seen as an insult at everyone (though it was directing to people who use adblock who think that Youtuber's don't deserve money from ad revenue.)
Edit edit: I didn't mean to insult everyone was just in rage mode when I found out how many people are in trouble. Though honestly if you do use adblock and watch a YouTuber you should feel a little bit bad. . you are enjoying their work and not contributing to their work that you are enjoying. . .heck if you wait the 30s and press skip ad they get some money from that."
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"Though honestly if you do use adblock and watch a YouTuber you should feel a little bit bad."
How does this contribute to anything? That is exactly the sort of attitude that people thought was an issue originally. You invalidated your whole apology halfway through it.
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yes but as said before this issue is with the ad revenue of the ads blocked. . . it is very hypocritical to say Youtube is wrong for denying the people the revenue system that these people use. . . but to not note that the people using Adblock are doing the same. The two are very much the same thing one way of denying these people what they use to acquire funds is not less.
But it is a good and valid point. And though I know my opinions of Adblock are not shared I do believe that adblock users on YouTube are doing more harm then good. What drives me nuts is the idea that people actually feel righteous with using adblock. But like I said that is a different argument.
It's a guilt trip not an insult. Or is meant to be.
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But why guilt trip anyone? No, Adblock is not the same. Not even close. Adblock is used by a tiny fraction of people on the internet. This would affect ALL of them. Let's turn this into a situation.
There's a homeless guy in your town, who has some skills, so performs for money. He plays the guitar. Every performance, he gets given a penny from everyone who passes. Thats the world without Adblock.
With Adblock, he gets given a penny from most of the people who pass him. Some just walk on by, after enjoying his music. They may, however, later buy him a coat, worth much, much more than the penny they would have given him.
Now, this situation, is entirely different. Now (presuming no Adblock), people give him a penny for every song he makes. Unless it's a rendition of a famous musician's piece of work, or even remotely resembles it. Then he gets nothing. Either he has the guitar taken away from him for that song (video deleted) or Justin Bieber's bodyguard stands next to him with his own hat where the homeless man's should be, taking the money for himself (ad revenue goes elsewhere).
Don't even try to pretend Adblock is the same thing.
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this is exactly the scenario I love to give when talking about adblock. . . funny. . . I just use the term busker though.
But you over look the detail of the ad.
see there's this busker he plays music and he gets donations every once and a while but he pays hist heart out. . . now some people come along and say if he plays by their sign they will give him a penny for everyone who walks by that sign while he plays but he isn't allowed to busk only make money from said people. . . Because the busker plays in a crowded area that means each day means he makes a bit more then when he was just gaining money form the odd soul who would donate. Now the catch: everyone has to see that sign before he gets anything. . .Adblock is the thing that ensures that no one has to look at the sign.
Though everyone uses the internet. . . no one wants to pay for the things they use it for. . . so the internet is mostly funded by ads. . . though it may not be ideal it is how it is.. . . Adblock is a program that is so damaging that many sites are severely hurt by adblock.
Here's some info that supports, and better explains why I feel this way
and one of the more informitive one's about adblock's policy and how it akes money
I find it funny that people support Adblock so much yet don't understand where adblock gets its money from.
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my sorry is towards being insulting not towards supporting adblock Jade. . . I do not have to condone the actions of people refusing to support the people who host sites like this. . . You are part of the site if you don't like the ads suggest new ones. . . less intrusive ones. don't say what I said was bullshit because I don't mean to insult people I stand by that.
"EDIT: I was too harsh on people Using Adblock I don't like people using it but I took out what was seen as an insult at everyone (though it was directing to people who use adblock who think that Youtuber's don't deserve money from ad revenue.)
Edit edit: I didn't mean to insult everyone was just in rage mode when I found out how many people are in trouble. Though honestly if you do use adblock and watch a YouTuber you should feel a little bit bad. . you are enjoying their work and not contributing to their work that you are enjoying. . .heck if you wait the 30s and press skip ad they get some money from that."
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Youtube, a Google property which follow the guidelines received by it's owners (remember, all the shit about using Google+ in Youtube wasn't a "oh great idea" coming from Youtube employers).
It's ok complaining to Youtube but remember to complain also to Google.
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PSA: keep Adblock on at all times. If you really want to support your favourite artists donate money to them directly.
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Op is whining about adblock like adblock killed his family.
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Ty for proving that people who like adblock cannot read well. . . or comprehend much more then the last post. . . Op never whined about adblock just calmed down from calling people who used adblock a bunch of idiots. . . I forget people like you just talk and I don't need to state the obvious. .
OP posted about how thousands of youtubers are having the revenue from their videos taken away but nice try. Plus points for showing your a positive construct for the betterment of the human race though. :)
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Go ahead and insult people as much as you like. I really don't care. If that helps you sleep at night, then good. Now I only go on youtube to watch three people. & I use adblock. & guess what? Pewdiepie still goes on trips around the world regularly, the other two youtubers I watch just got new houses and are doing fine. A couple people using adblock =/= their entire amount of viewers using it. Also, buying merchandise from them is another way of giving them money. I'm pretty sure $200+ dollars is more money than they would make from me viewing a 30s ad. But whatever. Opinions. :D
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look dude if you are going to digress into a stupid post like that I'll bring it. . . If you want to act like and idiot I will treat you like one. . . You want to say something intelligent then say it. . . I will engage. . . but you want to come out with a swing and when I retort you play the victim and spew out another red-herring about the biggest youtuber that, as mentioned in the info provided isn't touched . . . in an attempt to pretend like you've done any action to inform yourself of what is going on, to cover a stupid tangent post that you've put out? ? ? ? really? grow the fuck up! I'm not crying for you toots. . . but I do hope you get on actually understanding the streamline of a conversation . . or you'll be pouting lots like this in life. . .
You are an idiot. . . that's direct insult. . . I was referencing a retorted insult which, when I think about it, that fact that you think I insulted you (in that last post) makes you by definition what you think I called you. irony not insult.
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Telling someone to grow up and then spewing hostile bs in the same sentence doesn't sound right dude. I don't know how you think anyone is going to take any of your little rants seriously. And calling my post "stupid" shows how much you can't accept other's opinions and try to force your own. & you also need to calm down. No need to get your panties in a bunch on a forum. If you can't handle opinions then don't make a post. Simple as that. & news flash, calling someone illiterate when they clearly can read is an insult. I'm not going to stoop to your level and call you names just because I don't agree with you though. & can you please format your rants? I can barely get through that gibberish. ^^
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Op is whining about adblock like adblock killed his family. . . me saying I never said that . . . you crying about how I insulted your opinion. . . ppppft . . I cannot deal with your level of idiocy. . . say something intelligent and I'll treat you fine, attacking me I'll lash back, think you deserve better then grow up or get out. None the less Nothing from you has done anything to add to this thread other then to try to attack me or be the false victim . . .
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yeah fair enough. . . You have no idea the loath I have for adblock . . like two things piss me off adblock and stealing from indie devs. . . I was almost banned once for yelling about allowing the gifting of Humble game keys. . .
Bygones be bygones. . but I didn't call you an idiot till you said I insulted you. . .FYI.
And yeah I'm bad at reading jokes when mad. handshake.
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Actually i did it twice: use Adblock and donate directly. Don't address other people as trolls if you can't stand different opinions.
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The problem with YouTube advertising and online advertising in general is that the host don't get all the money from displaying ads. I want to support my favourite artists/youtubers without supporting also shitty companies like Vevo, EMI or SIAE, hence why i block the fuck out of everything and use the Donate button that most youtubers and websites in general show.
Also, i don't want to support videos that i don't like and Adblock lets me choose who, how and when to support someone. Last, i don't want to be thrown shit at all times when i'm browsing on the internet and sometimes ads gets way too far on being aggressive or annoying. Like we don't get enough ads when watching TV or even walking outside.
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Exactly. Sometimes you would be browsing a site and can't even find the damn audio ad that's blaring in your speakers..& like you said I'm not gonna support other people. Unless I know they are getting 100% of the $$ from the ads, ablock stays on.
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I know what it does. . . but that's the same argument that people make for torrents . . . I just cannot back screwing over the little guy. On some sites yes. . . It's great helps save your computer but for sites like Steamgifts or YouTube. . someone pays for us to be there. When those ads are blocked the site/channel doesn't get that hit and thus less funds for that site/channel gets. . . I understand: ads are annoying. . . but is it really hard to open a new tab and hit mute? meh I guess for many yes. . . yes it is.
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I don't think that donating a couple of dollars once a while is hard either, but...
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Not only is easier, but I think we have more assurance that the money goes to the person in question that way, I want to support the author, just him/her not any other company milking clicks from him.
Most of us we can protect ourselves on internet, but for the common user ads can and will be used as a malware infection medium, even without the site owner permission. In my country broadband internet is a joke, adblock helps for faster page loading so I use it and install on every single PC I got my hands into.
And for people with mobile computers use the hosts file for adblocking that will help the battery life, adblock plugins consume to much CPU to make any difference
Sorry for my english!
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Your english is perfect. Good idea on using hosts for mobile. I will do that right now.
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And let's not forget about those blatantly illegal banners like "YOUWONACARCLICKHEREOMG".
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YouTube's always been shit, but face it, they have a big red target on their backs and the MAFIAA's gunning for them. They're just passing that onto the users. The solution? Accept that anything you post there is probably gonna get taken down unless, as YouTube puts it, you own 100% of the content. A lot of people post stuff they don't own and YouTube doesn't do squat. People who get takedown notices should either find out who those guys pay off... or expect takedown notices.
Hell, I recorded a video of a local band who can't even get on local radio (but I think they're good) and I got a takedown notice. It happens.
As for Adblock, until advertisers wanna subsidize my internet, or my computer, it stays up. What do I wanna stop using it so other people can get paid? Where's my check? Advertising is a damned racket, and that's all well and good, but if I see ads I wanna get paid. Simple as that.
Seems like gamers need a new venue for video sharing. Google does great things, but if they're doing more harm than good, why don't gamers just take their ball and go home, or find another court to play in? I like Google for Android, but they do some stupid shit there, too. First they took some emulators (but not all) out of the market, then ad blockers. It's just some political bullshit, you can get F-Droid (free/open source market) and get them there, it's just another hoop to jump through (and we still got it better than iPhone users and everyone else) but sometimes I think Google needs to be taken down a peg. They're on top now like Microsoft was 10-20 years ago, but like Microsoft their arrogance will be their undoing, and when the next big company takes it away from them, it will be too little too late, whatever they do. How's Yahoo doing these days?
Anyway, it sucks what's happening but I can't say I'm surprised. Wish 'em the best.
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great post. . . but I took out my post about adblock. . . I just said if you use adblock don't comment you are already the problem. . in very, very vulgar words for I was very upset after hearing about Angry Joe. . .Nice guy totally got screwed. I just loath Adblock all and all because it does hurt the small guys who need the ads. . . it drives me nuts that people are soo rushed that 30s of their time is too much. Ads pay for entertainment there has been a strong tie to both from both origins. . . This fact is also a reminder of how screwed I am in 15 years when I retire. . .
I can see Machinima going back to what it once was and becoming the new Youtube. . . for Gaming.
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Good post.
And agree 100% about Google needing a lesson in manners at the corporate level.
Hubris people. Even the biggest can fall. Especially when they don't think they can.
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Oh this debate again.
If they're so worried about money then they should focus on a real job than creating videos on YouTube.
I support who have ads when it comes to stuff like short movies, documentary, music any type of original independent content.
And linking to Kotaku seriously? Lol.
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The channels' problem if they rob the content from game makers...AND TAKE MONEY FOR IT!
If they contact the companies and are allowed to upload then they still get money.
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read before you comment most of the content is covered under fair use. . . many of which were contracted by companies to do videos or asked to to them. See YouTube videos of Games make sales for Games. . . Most Developers are pissed off that this is happening they are not the ones who put in the claims. . .a computer program did.
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On the topic of their blanket flagging grabbing many false positives, it's sad to see people unable to handle it with presence of mind. Acting emotionally just puts them in a worse position and does nothing to get the situation resolved. Those people get hurt the most from this and because of that have the strongest voices in fixing it, so when they cry like an idiot it does not help anyone in the slightest.
On the topic of Lets Plays, it will be good to see that die. They were abusing the lack of regulation of showing the full content of games. If I put up me watching a movie and called it a "Lets Watch", adding my commentaries and expressions as it was happening, you -should- view it as an unauthorized exhibition of copyrighted materials. You know, the FBI warning at the beginning of all of your dvds? The people 'living off of them' can put some bengay on their eyeballs. A LP is not a gameplay video which would be protected under fair use, it is the full exhibition of an entire game's content which should be protected as much as a movie or book.
tldr: potatoes.
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Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. The people affected by this issue have complete permission from developers to make their Let's Plays. Trying to put ads on a Let's Play without permission is a nice way to get your YouTube account limited or banned.
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Not all of them, just the popular ones. There are more that just do it because they see it done and they won't be missed. Youtube keeping track of licensing agreements is another problem.
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It's not just the popular ones... sure there's going to some noobs that monetize videos they shouldn't and get away with it for a while but overall most people try to follow the rules and only monetize games that allow it like Minecraft, Terraria, Starbound, etc. It's not like there's any shortage of games with permissions.
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Actually, Let's Watches exist and are legally allowed. Ever heard of RiffTraks?
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It looks like funny audio tracks you can use to replace the audio tracks of your movies. Am I missing something?
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The ones I've seen are basically exactly how you described your Let's Watch.
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I meant people saying things like "Oh, that was brutal!" "Hahahaha, hilarious!" and "That guy is an idiot." as they watch it while eating popcorn. People have been given the license to show (and profit off of) entire movies that would otherwise be copyrighted if they just sit around and fart every 5 minutes?
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Pretty much. Full film audio, just got people talking over it, cracking jokes and the like.
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I'm surprised that people would actually buy that. O_O
In any case, everything is legal with permission from the copyright holders. That's what I was saying about the 'people with the strongest voices', like interviewing a developer of a game and getting that locked by Youtube's false positive detection. It's the unauthorized ones that I'm happy to see go and there are significantly more of those than the fewer big names with deals.
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It's actually pretty damn funny. I've seen bits of some of them and I'd buy them if a) they were slightly cheaper and b) I probably wouldn't be screwed over by varying regions (US DVDs play differently to UK).
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RiffTraks is made by the same people that did Mystery Science Theater 3000. And no they don't play the movie at all actually. Rifftracks is a CD or MP3 that you can play at the same time the movie is playing so you can recreate the MST3K feel on the Mainstream movies instead of the B movies they used to riff on. That comparison is non-sequitur.
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Well the flag came from a song that isn't even in the video or related to Starbound in any way. I already sent in the dispute but my channel is just starting out so I'm not expecting YouTube to take care of it anytime soon. After all, I've been waiting 3 weeks for them to finish "reviewing" the monetization on one of my older videos and from what I've heard I'll be lucky if it ever gets monetized.
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This whole situation is something new and I have honestly now idea, how it is going to end. As I read the OP post, I was thinking "OK, everything is very understandable and since Monday tings have turned from bad to really f'''d in rapid speed" right until OP starts ranting about people (also in responses to other people posts), who use Adblock. Seriously?! This is the way, how OP asks people's help?! I use it. Why I use it? Because I am sick of ads on everywhere I look or don't look: TV, radio, newspapers, public transport, billboards everywhere, shopping cart's handles, ads on everything you see or hear in an urban area, Internet, news websites are like freaking rainbows, different online services (paid or free doesn't really matter), phone calls, SMS, e-mails, in cinema you spend 1/5 of time watching commercials, f'''ing children plays in elementary school (I'm not kidding) etc etc etc. I can't even walk the dog for a few minutes without seeing any ads. So, yes, I use Adblock and I have every right to use it! Besides, everyone can support youtubers with direct donations - this is the way I do it (I'm not a wealthy person by any means, but I prefer that method). Of course, there is an option to turn Adblock off while watching youtube videos and sometimes I do it, but still, I take it very seriously, when someone comes and says that I am evil person for not consuming enough ads.
Now, coming back to the topic. If things do not clear up to its previous state (which I highly doubt), then youtubers just have to unite and maybe find resources to fight with this on the legal level. This whole Content ID flagging is just wrong (in legal terms and in moral terms), ridiculous and absurd. I am sure that many people will support you and make some serious noise until they are heard.
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I think this will all be fixed soon. Youtube is a huge part of google's revenue. & I'm sure they won't give that up so easily. One of my favorite youtubers even decided to take a hiatus for 2 weeks because of this. They are losing $$ as we speak.
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Adblock isn't the issue. . . I just didn't want Adblock in this thread because most people who know me know I hate adblock and people are throwing out adblock as an excuse of why this doesn't effect them. Though I really dislike Adblock. . . with passion as many have gotten. . . which is ok. I get why people use it. . . I just don't agree with it taking over this issue.
They have started to unite, which is good. . . and by this afternoon the damage should be done till the next wave of content matches hits. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Chances are, no-one would have even mentioned Adblock without this, except in a "I wouldn't have noticed" way. That doesn't mean they don't care about the situation. The only reason Adblock takes up so many posts is because you made it that way.
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Ditch Google Chrome if you haven't already. Install Firefox, and install Adblock Plus. Whitelist sites who you support.
This will block all ads from all videos on Youtube. It will harm those content providers which are unharmed by Google's unlawful acts, but I say 'so be it.' I am willing to burn it all down to keep Google on the right side of the law.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/
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If 99% of the world never whitelists anyone, it has no effect on my own whitelisting.
The failings of other people in the practice of their own freedoms have no bearing on the exercise of my own freedoms.
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Just FYI: chrome has adblock too. Had no trouble with it.
IMO, firefox had it's best time before chrome existed.
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I think the issue isn't that Chrome doesn't have Adblock, more that it's related to Google.
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This.
I also have Chrome installed, with adblock, for those sites which fail to render properly within Chrome.
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I assume he doesn't like how people abuse Adblock software. I see his concern as being similar to how the media portray all gamers are considered fat lazy assholes because of the vocal minority of gamers who are like this. It could also be compared with the rise of mp3 audio and file sharing software, despite the legitimate and legal uses of such things.
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That's one of the reasons why I think making your livelihood with YouTube is stupid.
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Wow it seems like this thread is not going in direction which OP intented so i'll try to save whatever i can.
So with that in mind, here is a cake i made this morning, i don't have a name for it yet (was thinking of going with Sleepy's Catnip but i'm not sure yet) but here is a recipe if anyone else wants to try it:
dough
6 eggs
150g of sugar
150g of flour
1 teaspoon of baking powder
Take the eggwhite from those six eggs, add rest of it from above and put it now ot bake for 20 minutes on 220° degrees
yellow cream
1 litre of orange soda juice (Fanta is just fine)
3 packs of vanilla pudding
7 spoons of sugar
From 1l of juice take 3dl (deciliter), mix it with 3 packs of pudding + add sugar. Put the rest of the juice in a pot while adding that pudding mixture from above. Boil it until it hardens and turns into a jello. Put jello on dough
200g of Petit beurre bisquit
3dl of milk
Dip every bisquit in milk and lay it on the jello layer from previous step
0,5l of milk
6 spoons of sugar
6 spoons of flour
250g of cream margarine
Take 1dl of milk out of 0,5l and add 6 spoons of sugar and flour from above and stir that mixture. Take 4dl of milk (the one you have left from that 0,5l now) and boil it while continuously stiring the milk and adding white cream too. When its done add all 250g of cream margarine but be sure to slice it to tiny pieces so it melts faster and mix it with blender so it wont have any lumps (from flour) and when its done, pour it over the bisquit
100g of dark cooking chocolate (its the one with 75% of cocoa)
4 teaspoons of oil
Mix both with blender and pour it over the white cream. This is what you should get in the end
Pls rate
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How to get me to disable adblock on youtube: REMOVE THOSE FREAKING PRE-VIDEO ADDS!
Seriously, give me the ads that pop into a video. Give me ads on the side/top of the page... I don't care.
But I refuse to wait for my video if other options that are just as valid are available.
And any arguments about TV: I don't watch TV with the main reason being commercials. I don't like to be forced to watch shit I don't want to watch in the first place.
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Those pre-video youtube ads are why I whitelist, rather than blacklist today. When I'm on mobile, I quickly hit MUTE and wait it out.
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Yeah sure, just some people not going to YouTube will really show them . . .
EDIT: "YouTube has just actively screwed over a few million people out of their income" . . . what?
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'over a few million people' =/= 800K, And even 800K sounds very skewed. You mean to say that there's 800K fully active mid/big gaming channels? (that have at least close to minimum salary income)
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As a someone who doesn't really have a dog in the fight, I am (again) amazed at Google's ineptitude in blanket sweeps and (more importantly) at their ability to credit third parties for rights that they don't own and ask their (the 3P) permission to release rights when the publisher/creator owns them! I mean, if someone doesn't get shit canned for that massive boner, then something is WAY wrong at Google.
The Deep Silver press release is telling. They aren't happy about Google handing over the rights to their games to 3Ps and pretenders. This is going to sort itself out, as usual, not because Google is shitting on its customers (that will NEVER stop), but because they're shitting on corporations and playing God with legal rights that they don't have any say in.
The programmers responsible for this should be fired, and so should the ape in the legal department that thought it was a good idea to preemptively go after folks without first check with at least the major games publishers. There aren't that many of them, and it would've taken less time and resources to ask them first versus creating an algorithm to weed people out while attributing rights to random or legally dead 3Ps and pretenders.
But...that's the way Google works. They say they care about "people", but only their own. The less F2F comm they have with anyone on the outside, the better for them, profits, and a one-way message.
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It's not Google's ineptitude, it's anfractuosity of copyright laws and inadequacy of automated sniffing. If I include a copyrighted song in my game the owner of the song, of course, doesn't hold any rights for my game, but how would the bot know that it's not a music video but a game review?
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"inadequacy of automated sniffing"
See also: Google's ineptitude.
My post covers both the problems you mentioned. But it's absolutely Google's responsibility to communicate effectively with both clients and copyright holders. They've done neither.
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I'll confess I can't get all this thing with addblock. Right now my vanilla firefox already block most of the pop ups annoying adds by himself, I'll not deny that happened of damn flash adds time or two get a lot of memory or make flash crash, but far from annoying enogh to care mutch about it.
About the youtube adds, most can be skipped after 5 secs, and since aren't anything so annoying, well I supose that "paying" for all free stuff I can watch for free, just watching eventual add, are not all that big issue at all.
And a quick PS: About the youtube thing, for all we know maybe they're already working on fixing it, there's no reason at all to mess with hundred content makers that bring many clicks and pageviews for them. For all I know someone had make a big mistake from youtube side, and as any mistake soon they shall be fixing it and all will be cool and good again.
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Ermygawd! Not making monies from tireless work posting gameplay videos. Bastards.
You worked hard making these games so you could film yourself play them (you at least got the rights to make $of their product if not, and its certainly not like you were going to play them anyway, this is work.) For click money. Click money us selfish assholes who use add block deny you!
owe you are we not entertained! We owe you for all the work you do(filming somebody else's intellectual property and rambling on in the world's most annoying voice is crazy difficult) to watch the 30 second skip nay the 3 minute ad before the minute and half vid.
This is a job, it takes entire minutes of editing and posting, hours of gameplay..out of your leisure time. Time spent for our benefit! It requires compensation.
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"Now I know some of you people out there use adblock to make sure that these people you love to watch make no money what so ever so I know you don't give a shit what youtube does"
Comments like this are not the way to garner support.
Do you watch all the commercials when you watch TV? If not then you're a hypocrite to boot. If you do, then wow, impressive.
You should really learn to not insult the very people you want support from.
FWIW, I don't use adblock, I use Proxomitron (so I can filter all browsers the same regardless of which I choose).
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You do realize that it has stated for years that YouTube's rules for making money on videos requires that it be your own content that you created and own the rights to, correct? While the gameplay may be yours, the game itself is not something the player owns the rights to and they cannot make a profit from it without the permission of the copyright holder.
So yeah, I don't exactly support people making a profit from something they do not have the rights to. Only the developer/publisher of the game and anyone else who holds the copyright to it or has gained permission to profit from it has that right and the vast majority of gamers who are making a profit from gameplay videos more than likely do not have that.
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"Usually" means that there are some who do not. Also the vast majority of LPs I see are for popular games and even by the most lax look at fair use, a LP violates it even if not being done for profit because a LP can act as a substitute for buying a game.
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Did you read the article. It appears many gamemakers are already backing up the content providers on YouTube. They're refuting Google's clumsy enforcement tactics as invalid.
What's worse is that Google is assigning rights to 3rd parties that don't even hold the rights!
e.g. I own a significant portion of a motorsports facility. A fellas comes and films a car review for a new Porsche. Google shuts him down because they say he's violating copyright law due to the fact that I own the rights to him filming himself reviewing a Porsche. Porsche says, "I don't care." But I say, "Hahaha! I own the rights now AND I'm now allowed to monetize them off of YOUR content."
To be fair, when it comes to copyrighted music inside the games, that'll be a trickier (and legitimate) claim, FWIW. But 3Ps trying to claim ownership of someone else's content when they own no right to it and worse, Google granting them that power, is silly. The lawyers (as is evidenced by the Deep Silver post) will most certainly roll those folks quickly. But Google is the one to blame here.
Well done, Google. Well done.
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My personal belief is that IP laws are a joke. They ruin advancement of community and technology. Imagine if Chef's were allowed to copyright their recipes. There is no difference than copyrighting a song, book, movie, or video game. That alone goes to show how broken IP laws are without going into any other details.
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Chefs most certainly can claim recipes, depending on the context. Meaning you can make the recipe in your own home, perhaps, but not claim it as your own.
I both agree and disagree with you. IP laws aren't necessarily the problem, IMO. It's the broad enforcement tactics that are the issue. If courts would more narrowly define these laws, then we'd be fine. But when Monsanto sues a farmer because Monsanto's product tainted the other farmer's crop, then that's when things need to be upended.
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this. . . There is a core issue here. . . in the cast they also brought up this point that these are old laws being used to enforce a new medium. Something that wasn't seen. The fair use policy means that these companies see a spike in profits due to the content of these videos, or it can be argued as such, thus all these videos fall into fair use. People who claim other wise fail to see that the gaming industry practically has come to rely on let's plays and game reviews. . . seeing as the new formula actually relies on this medium. For a good example look at minecraft: If it were not for the likes of Seananners and other people like the Yogscast then these games might not have gotten the exposure that made them the games they are today. Heck Sega just launched a Yogcast Dlc for Sonic a few days ago.
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Actually courts have ruled many times against chefs and publishers stating that recipes are functional and therefore not protected by copyright.
Descriptive text about the dish, and pictures of the dish produced can be copyrighted but not the recipe itself.
One example would be 'Publications International, Ltd. v. Meredith Corp. (88 F.3d 473 (7th Cir. 1996))'. The case involves recipes copied from a Dannon Yogurt recipe book and then directly copied or slightly altered and re-published by another author.
The court had the following to say when ruling on this matter:
"The identification of ingredients necessary for the preparation of each dish is a statement of facts."
"[The] recipes’ directions for preparing the assorted dishes fall squarely within the class of subject matter specifically excluded from copyright protection by 17 U.S.C. § 102(b)."
Another example would be 'Lambing v Godiva Chocolatier (142 F.3d 343 (6th Cir. 1998))' which ruled in the same way, recipes are not protected.
There is also U.S. Copyright Office on Recipes and Formulas which states:
"Copyright law does not protect recipes that are mere listings of ingredients. Nor does it protect other mere listings of ingredients such as those found in formulas, compounds, or prescriptions. Copyright protection may, however, extend to substantial literary expression—a description, explanation, or illustration, for example—that accompanies a recipe or formula or to a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook."
Now I realize my examples are U.S. centric, but the same basic principle has applied worldwide for centuries.
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Then I stand corrected. I also stand by my enforcement comment, which you've demonstrated perfectly. :)
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Many, but just as many gamemakers do not support it. Without permission of the copyright holder, monetizing from something they own is no longer fair use. Google is within their rights to back the copyright holders. Now there may be a legit point that Google is taking the claims of people who are not copyright holders seriously, but at the same time the way the law works if they get takedown notices they do have to take them seriously or risk being fined/sued.
The fact is that there is plenty of illegal content on YouTube and plenty of content that is being monetized that should not be.
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Okay. But Google is punitively taking action on folks that aren't violating the law. And not all content being shown on YT is protected under copyright law. Reviews, in particular, should be protected under free speech (with some restrictions). Otherwise, no copyright holder would ever allow a negative review with any of their footage being show. This has been done for years on radio and TV with move and song clips.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'd expect some facsimile of this with games as well. You can't control content that isn't yours. You can try, but it isn't legal.
And I'd love to see your stats on "just as many gamemakers" not supporting it. :)
There may be some, but any that have a decent PR department, or people who understand the nature of marketing, are fools to disallow all but the most egregious of content from being broadcast.
edit: On another note, Google can do pretty much whatever the hell they want. And they are handing out rights like candy to 3Ps with no legit claims. That's bad programming and bad comm. They have a LOT to sift through, but they should've handled it better with their larger accounts. It's their ass on the line in the long run, anyway. Like any company, the question is, do they want to protect their stakeholders, or do they want to shit on them. Google has almost unequivocally chosen the latter in the recent past.
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Here is how you can help: don't go to it until they resolve this issue. . . or let's figure something out.
Some of you may or may not know that YouTube has flagged and started screwing over most YouTube Gamer's videos.
Many people who have been putting up any type of gameplay videos have been flagged and are currently not making the money off off the videos that they have worked tirelessly on.
Now I know some of you people out there use adblock to make sure that these people you love to watch make no money what so ever so I know you don't give a shit what youtube does. . . but this is a crime. Many people Like Angry Joe, Chilled Chaos, and even Pew Tee Pie or what ever his name is. . . have been hit hard.
This is a very harsh day on the internet (well Monday was the day that it happened but today the **** hit the fan) YouTube has made people lose their hard work due to their greed and some people need to take a stance. This is mine informing you people that YouTube has just actively screwed over a few million people out of their income and the word needs to get out.
Please don't flame each other but please let us try and band together to figure out how to actively help those who put out videos that help us find out if a game is fun or not. . .
Info what is going on:
the first panel
YouTube vs Gamers!?!
From Nomed: a kotaku article
angry joe's rant harsh language and a bit loud.
TB's thoughts
boogie2988's wonderful heartfelt rant
machinima
EDIT: I was too harsh on people Using Adblock I don't like people using it but I took out what was seen as an insult at everyone (though it was directing to people who use adblock who think that Youtuber's don't deserve money from ad revenue.)
Edit edit: I didn't mean to insult everyone was just in rage mode when I found out how many people are in trouble. Though honestly if you do use adblock and watch a YouTuber you should feel a little bit bad. . you are enjoying their work and not contributing to their work that you are enjoying. . .heck if you wait the 30s and press skip ad they get some money from that.
Personal note: I man sorry for being toxic to some of you. I have been a bit fired up and did get condescending. Something that I do need to work on. Though I would love it if people would try to see that people's lives have been effected with this and I do stand up for people who love games and am trying not to be too aggressive towards people who hold little respect for those trying to make an honest wage. After talking with some wonderful members here Yes that includes Jade. . . I do see that I have 100% been very toxic to some of you, thus distracting from my informing you of an issue. I will try to be less so from here on out : 12:26 PST
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