Nice build, the 7870 is around the Nvidia 660 power wise and about the same price, here is a Benchmark but really it comes down to preference there(In other words do you care about better Physx in 10% of games). If not the AMD card is very solid, the rest of your build seems great.
Good job. Youtube is a great source of building instructions, just make sure you are grounded and follow the motherboards instructions and you will be fine, if you get confused youtube a quick video, its really not as hard as it sounds to build a PC, Note: Remember to buy Thermal paste, I prefer Arctic Silver.
Also it should Max(Run on high) pretty much anything you throw at it fine for quite a while.
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Yeah I saw one video where it said buy thermal paste if it's not already applied, how would I tell if it's already applied? :D
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I never saw a CPU with it already applied, that actually makes zero since to me...don't think it would even work, pretty sure it would get cruddy.
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Didn't know, nice...he should probably do that then.
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Oh! Well honestly, it doesn't really matter to me whether or not I have that. xD
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You will have it, just not as well, its really not a deal breaker, I sorta like it personally :-P.
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Nvidia cards tend to be a bit more expensive, I am not sure how the 660 compares to the 7870 but I heard it was close and is around the same price.
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I heard its not gonna be a giant leap until Maxwell(800 series), probably a 10-15 bump on lets say the 660 to 760.
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I hear medium even is fine on some games actually :-).
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My understanding is that PhysX is currently 100% Nvidia exclusive, AMD cards will not run it unless you Crossfire/SLI them with a Nvidia card (using a hacked driver that will not be worth the effort or expensive). Also, I second bumping up to the 7870 XT/LE, it's the exact same price for better performance, seems like a no-brainer to me. Oh, and, as long as you don't buy an OEM CPU, it will come with thermal paste already applied to the heatsink fan and since the CPU you chose is locked, you won't need to worry about changing it. Ok, and one more thing, I've never heard of Silverstone. You do NOT want to take a chance with your PSU, they may be a fine company, but I'd suggest something from SeaSonic, Corsair or XFX over them just to be safe.
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Don´t buy XFX, they are cheap but so are their components, unless you don´t mind lasting only 2 or maximun of 3 years before having problems.
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Their PSUs aren't, SeaSonic is the OEM for them. XFX just rebadges them and sells them for cheaper. They're just the SeaSonics that didn't make the cut to become branded SeaSonics, so they sell them off, but they are still higher quality than your average PSU.
As for PhysX, it's not my area of expertise, but I've been told that it simply doesn't run and is replaced with a more standard physics system on non-Nvdia cards. I watched a few comparison videos of it on YouTube and the difference is definitely noticeable, but rather irrelevant since few games use it and it doesn't add THAT much to a game.
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AMD can run Physx. just not very well compared to a Nvidia card with the same grapchics performance, its kinda forwards it to the CPU and strains that from what I heard. Sometimes you need to go into the ini file and change it manually but thats super simple.
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I think mirror's edge has one of my favourite PhysX elements in it. Compared to that of madness returns, it just looks gorgeous.
DAT PLASTIC!
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Here are the 3 videos I used to build my PC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw This one is 3 parts
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Get a 128 SSD for the OS, PC will run much nicer.
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SSDs really aren't that expensive anymore. They're around $1/GB now which is very livable and certainly worth it. You can spend $120 and get 1.5TB for storage and a 64GB SSD for OS / absolute core programs. Or just add on $64 to the budget for just the SSD. Although I'd spend $65 and get a 1.5TB drive over a 500GB drive for $55. Save up one more week and make it part of the build rather than add it later.
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Some addition that I will suggest
make your PSU at least 600w. Hard drive, get 2x Seagate Barracuda 500gb then Raid-0 It
Maybe an additional ~80$ wouldn't hurt.
If you have 0 knowledge to build your own PC, ask the shop you are buying if they can assemble it in front of you (ofc it will be in a fee, It's 30$ here in my place)
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A bit of a correction to this. The wattage rankings on PSUs vary tremendously from maker to maker. Do some research and get one that's been heavily tested and actually puts out what you need for your system (there are calculators out there and highly detailed sites with good data in them). Also Raid 0 isn't needed for most users - for an average user it's going to cause more headaches than it will solve.
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If you're buying an AMD card, you should consider spending a bit extra on your PSU and/or video card because you'll get free game codes which you can sell to make the money back (or you can use them yourself. but I get the feeling you really want to stay below your budget). Better PSU would be for future upgradeability, better video card...well, you know what that's for :)
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Don't forget. You will have to buy an OS. I also HIGHLY RECOMMEND a surge protector. I like cyber powers protectors. Lifetime warranty, and they will cover up to $200k in damages if it fails. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=12-120-401&IsVirtualParent=1
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Nice build, i'm not too sure about that 3350P CPU since i've never worked with it specifically, but judging by sites and specs it seems reasonable for its price. Personally i'd get a larger hard drive if i could afford it, but that's just me being picky.
If you ever want to upgrade, you should consider changing that PSU to something beefier with a higher wattage output (600w should be fine) and at least an 80+ rating (yours doesn't, indicating there's not much of a guarantee the psu will be efficient enough, making it a risk for the entire system in the long run).
Overall nice computer for a budget, game on!
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You always want a little bit of a safety net, 500-600 is a safe bet though.
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Do you live near a Micro Center store? If so you can i5-3570k for around $180 and a better mobo for around $90
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Interested in taking a I5-3570K and Z77 motherboard (MSI Z77A-G43) off my hands for $280? Was building a computer for my buddy but he changed his mind :(
Also have 8 GB RAM and 128 GB SSD to get rid of from that build.
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I haven't heard much of that PSU brand. It may be a better choice to go with an 80 Plus Bronze verified one from a brand, such as Corsair / Antec / Cooler Master.
Since the price climb isn't very high, you may want to consider getting a 1 TB HDD. Assuming it's a gaming PC, and that you would be playing modern games, which can take up as much as 25-30 GB per game, that 500 GB HDD would overflow in no time, and getting a second one would cost more than simply getting a 1 TB HDD now.
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I made an edit that might help all of you help me a little more :)
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Entirely a common misconception of OCing. Admittedly for most standard users it's not worth it sure, but if you know what you're doing it's way safer than people. The decreased life on the CPU in all likelihood won't even effect you (if at all) - by the time it'd losing any sort life - it'd be crazy outdated.
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Looks like a solid build for a gaming PC: solid base build + money directed at the GPU.
I'll throw in my general thoughs about the discussions arised:
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You could actually build a computer with similar specs for a much cheaper cost if you bid your time and look for deals on Dealnews.com under the computer components section. For instance, there was a deal posted 3 days ago I believe where the i5-3570K 3.4 Ghz CPU was selling for $160 at tigerdirect.com, It did take me a while, but that's how I built my gaming PC with the following specs for $567:
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Damn nice work, show that to a console fanboy and they will say you are lying probably haha.
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I suggest you to buy a better PSU.With that build you'll need 600W or more.I have a HD6850 and AMD x6, even my 500W PSU isn't enough for them.
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That's like triple or more what I have, and I bought my computer last year (low-end budget PC with mid-range GPU and between mid/low CPU)
Pretty much the cheapest I could get on everything except the CPU and the GPU... I can play about any game, and I can deal with low settings if that gives me enough performance. I do have a really outdated screen with a really outdated resolution however, which makes the performance way better... I'd say that build is great, and way more then I would ever pay :P
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All of this information is so helpful, I'll be reading into each and every suggestion carefully. I like this thread, so informative <3 :D
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Actually, if you aren't building right now, I'd just take everything your read here with a grain of salt and ask again when you are ready to build. The reason I say that is because Intel's new CPUs and motherboards will be launching in June and you'll probably want those over what's out now. Plus, there are rumors that DDR4 RAM will be rolling out this year and Nvidia's new GPUs are near.
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Yeah I'll be editing the thread and asking whether or not I should change anything when I start, but all of this information (And I mean ALL) is EXTREMELY helpful.
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Alright, sounds like a good plan!
If he's not overclocking, then there is basically no benefit to buying the 3570k. The 3570k is only slightly better at stock clocks. However, if it's in the budget, it certainly never hurts.
Also, the idea of getting a Xeon for a gaming rig is an interesting one and not actually bad. I'd consider it.
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What's OC? If it's Overclock, what's overclocking? xD
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Personally, id still go for the 3570k just for the better integrated graphics chip. Granted, its still weak as hell and he is going for a dedicated card, I tend to enjoy having a backup plan if my vid card gets fryed or is DOA. Alt, he could go 2500k if he wants, oc's very easily.
I dont know about going for a Xeon chip, for all intents and purposes its just a better binned chip and works well, but some mobos have trouble with them and wont boot, or so I read.
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http://sites.amd.com/uk/promo/Documents/never-settle-multi-bundle-offer-landing.html you should get something from 7900 they're like $170+ but you also get fc3+hitman ab+sd
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Edit: Question about monitors and keyboards! ^
Btw, the keyboard doesn't have to be some gaming l33t one, just a nice simple usable one. The monitor however, does that affect anything at all? Whether it does or doesn't I still want a decent monitor.
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Keyboards are pretty much universal. Some differences are present from model to model, though changes are slight. Size, key feedback, lighting, macro keys and such.
Monitors are much the same, though depending on your needs/use you will favor one over others. IPS monitors are clearer and brighter then LCDs. If you are just looking for an everyday monitor an LCD would be good enough.
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I would suggest going with a mechanical keyboard and an IPS panel. Mechanical keyboard feel much better than normal membrane keyboards and in most cases, allow people to type faster. After using one, you wouldn't want to go back at all. NKRO over PS2/USB also helps as well. You should get an IPS panel simply because the price are low enough that its relatively affordable and they have much better image quality compared to standard TN panels.
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Would this be an alright gaming setup?:
CPU - Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1 GHz ($169.99)
Motherboard - MSI LGA1155 Intel H77 ($82.99)
Video Card - Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 ($239.99)
RAM - Corsair Vengeance Blue 8 GB ($51.99)
HDD - Seagate Barracude 500 GB ($57.29)
Case - GAMMA Classic Series ATX Mid Tower ($39.99)
Power Supply - SilverStone Strider 500W ($57.99)
Optical Drive - Samsung 24x SATA DVD RW ($17.99)
Grand Total: $718.22
That's about my budget for a gaming PC and that's one that I found might be pretty good, I would love to hear all of your opinions and thoughts on it. Also, one more question: If any of you know a good in depth video on how to put PC parts together for noobs like me, I'd love to see it!
~ Thanks a million <3
EDIT 4/28/2013: Thanks for all of the info, I'll definitely be Bookmarking this thread. Also my budget is around the $700-$900 range, I'd rather stay near $700-$800, but if spending a little extra means a lot better computer, I'm fine with that. Also, I'm planning on building this sometime during June-August.
EDIT 4/29/2013: Another question: What software is a must have to install when booting up the PC? Besides the OS of course.
EDIT 4/29/2013: Yet another question: I think there were some brief things posted about this, but, what monitors do you suggest getting? Also at first I wasn't going to buy a Monitor right away, I was just going to use my mini 19 inch flat screen TV for the monitor just at first so I can get a better monitor. (Will that work? Using my TV as a monitor.) Also, I would love some suggestions on keyboards as well, I already have a mouse I can use.
EDIT 4/29/2013: Last question for the day >_>. (It's better to ask now rather than forget to ask.) I seriously think someone said something about this, but I'm too lazy to look for it now, because I'm just about to go to bed. What OS system should I use, and what is the EXACT name for it. Let's say you recommend Windows 7, would it be like Home Premium or how ever many freaking different types there are of it? xD. Sorry, Hopefully I'm not annoying anyone. Appreciate all of the help I've had so far :)
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