From my recent experience Mint Cinnamon is quite easy to learn and use. It was really frustrating though during installation and the first week or so until I grasped the basics.
Still running it side-by-side with Win 10 on the old laptop, but no any serious compatibility problems with Steam games so far. Unfortunately, newer versions of MS Office don't run on them and no other office program is fully (macros) compatible with the Office, so I did install Win 11 alongside the Linux... and now I know, that I will newer use it, unless it's absolutely necessary.
Win 7 was really nice (actually the best, IMO, though I did not have big issues with Win 2000 and XP), Win 10 was bad and Win 11 is simply terrible.
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i changed Windows only when Steam stop support previous version 🙂
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I'm worried that the Windows series will be subscription based in the future .....
Thirty dollars is the same as a year's subscription to Windows 10.
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That kind of extra support isn't really new. It's only the first time that Microsoft also offers it to private users.
I guess the idea behind it is to give users more time for an upgrade, in case that their current hardware is insufficient. See TPM2 further below.
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The upgrade to 11 is free and doesn't require a cutting edge machine to run. I see it as a non issue for most people. For other people I am sure they will just pirate anyway.
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TPM 2.0- and an even more intrusive/spyware edition of windows.
My machine didnt pass for win11 (so windows itself told me) and im not buying a tpm chip anytime soon... and idk if it got better but for some years i followed win11 and their spyware bloat was worse then win 10
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The TPM2.0 requirement can easily be circumvented. Either with a console command, or preferably with Rufus which makes the process extremely easy (and also allows for other things like disabling telemetry and skipping the almost-mandatory MS account).
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From what I've read, this way you will need not get any feature updates. So you will need to manually install (and bypass again) the feature updates every year.
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Why do I care? Do you honestly think a very small percentage of users refusing to update will change what Microsoft does in any way? It hasn't so far and there have been people like you since windows 95 came out. Know what the definition of insanity is? As for spyware, do you use a cell phone made in the past 10 years? Well I got some news for you. Use the internet at all? Have a bank card or credit card? Go to any place with stoplights or major roadways? Uncle is watching you all day every day, get used to it. A few vegans who don't shower and smoke marijuana peacefully protesting and signing petitions that nobody actually reads aren't going to change anything, they been around for decades.
Start a new nation under the ocean. Start your own tech company and make all your own electronics. Start a programming company and make all your own apps and software. Never connect to the world wide web. Use materials so nobody can see or hear anything inside your little underwater kingdom. Never leave your little underwater kingdom and never let anyone in. Then you will not have to worry about anyone watching what you do. I'll just follow the ignorant masses who don't care about being watched because nobody is doing anything about it and I am certainly not in any position to do anything.
Maybe some day people will wake up to everything that is going on but I doubt it. There are people who still think smoking doesn't cause cancer. People who don't think drinks with 30+ grams of sugar in their favorite beverage causes diabetes. People who think the world is flat. We live in a world where information is so easily attainable and yet most people are still backwards.
However if not updating your OS gives you some sort of peace of mind then pursue that. Just like if being ignorant and backwards keeps the typical person happy then who am I to rain on their parade? After all I'm just another brick in the wall. Fight the good fight comrade!
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Some of us are still shambling on with Windows 7.
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Did they ever relax the W11 requirement that required your BIOS allow you to enable some setting? My old PC was ineligible at release as it didn't have that setting, and while I no longer use it myself, my younger brother now has it for his gaming as his laptop is several years old and doesn't run all that well anymore. If the end of support date is getting close, best I sort out something for him before it hits.
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Microsoft reiterates that it will not lower Windows 11 requirements — A TPM 2.0 compatible CPU remains "non-negotiable" for all future Windows versions.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1h6ia4a/microsoft_reiterates_that_it_will_not_lower/
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Damn, that is a pity. Not paying for updates. Hopefully the Windows store continues to work, he plays a lot of Minecraft, so can't just move it over to Linux even if I thought he could learn it.
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The TPM2.0 requirement can easily be circumvented. Either with a console command, or preferably with Rufus which makes the process extremely easy (and also allows for other things like disabling telemetry and skipping the almost-mandatory MS account).
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he plays a lot of Minecraft, so can't just move it over to Linux even if I thought he could learn it.
I don't play Minecraft so I can't really vouch for the methods to do it, but it looks like there are ways to play Minecraft on Linux natively: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Minecraft https://polymc.org/download/linux/ If all else fails, Proton should still be an option.
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I don't see what the big deal is. Support for XP ended in 2009 and I was still using it 8 years later in 2017. Just because support ends doesn't mean you have to immediately move to something else.
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This. If you don't visit suspicious websites and download random files, you should be fine. Programs like browsers and antivirus will still get updated as well, as long as they can run on the OS.
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You don't need to visit websites to get your OS infected. There are plenty of videos on Youtube showing Windows XP gets infected within minutes of connecting to the internet.
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Welp, I guess we'll have to hope that Windows 12 doesn't suck as badly as 11 and comes out by then... or I'll have to learn Linux.
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nope, microsoft is done releasing a new window OS every year. it failed on CEO's eyes. turns out consumers hate installing a new OS every year, WHO KNEW
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You don't need to install "new OS" since Win10. Technically installing Windows 11 is not much different from a Win10 release update.
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I just installed Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 which has extended support until 2029 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2021
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I just open Power Shell as administrator, paste this
irm https://get.activated.win | iex
press enter
and thats it, windows activated
do at your own risk, it will run a script written by unknown people.
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Illegal ways, microsoft has never been difficult with that.
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Windows 11 is goddamn trash. microsoft should've stopped at 7 and go hiatus like windows XP but no that stupid CEO wanted call of duty money by yearly releases, ridiculous
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i agree, 11 is trash, but 10 is nice, also lots of new drivers don't support windows 10 or older so you are forced to do some tricks or upgrade to windows 11 for those who don't care or don't know how
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Microsoft moved to the subscription model awhile ago. 11 has it, and now they want 10 users to pay for updates. Ironically, Winblows 10 was supposed to be their last OS -- until biometrics, cryptocurrency and A.I. became popular. Now we're seeing more and more websites integrating digital wallets and crypto as Web 3.0/4.0 becomes more widely used and accepted. I don't know why but after doing some research into Web 5, the Cyberpunk 2077 dystopia suddenly came to mind... lol
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That kinda is programmed obsolescence tho. There's nothing wrong with win 10, in general people want o stay on it and avoid win 11, since it's considered a worse os. This is kinda like ransom. "You want win 10 to stay, then pay us extra on top of what you already paid, otherwise deal with the shitty win 11 we made. If you don't pay we'll take it down and you'll be forced to use the worse OS! Bhahahaha (corpo evil laugh here)".
It's not like MS doesn't acknowledge that win 10 is better, they know, they still want to kill it tho unless you pay extra. Yet, they got no plans for win 12, but plan to stop releasing multiple OS versions. So why not just kill win 11, and keep win 10 instead? Win 11 was a mistake.
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I'm still procrastinating updating my desktop PC from W7 to W10, and I also have little to no interest to ever make the jump to W11. I'll just move to W10 before Dropbox stops working on my PC, they gave me an ultimatum, and when 3rd party software starts dropping support for W10, which I assume is gonna take a few more years, I'll just go back to Linux as I should have done long ago.
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When i bought my pc a few years ago i was also very anti windows 10, but a coffee lake cpu forced me into using windows 10.
With Classic Shell just looks very much like windows 7, and i am still dreading the upgrade to 11 (it even bothered me a few times through windows update) i hope with classic shell it can still look more like windows 7.
But anyway it was the same story i believe i could have used windows 10 i just couldn't receive updates unless i bought atleast a coffee lake or higher.
And running something while not being supported and running great are two different things, i dunno, And it hasn't happen recently that i know off but when microsoft does have a big security breach i wouldn't want to keep a pc running without being able to have a fix for it nor if you aren't sure you meet the requirements to upgrade directly from 10 to 11 without a backup.
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Could SteamOS be an alternative, if Valve wanted to develop it more in that direction? I have not tried it and would like to hear from people who use its "Desktop mode". Is it already something that you can use to do anything you would do with your Windows PC?
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I don't think nvidia is very good supported on it and not adviced to use it as an alternative.
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Currently work flawless but only on supported hardware AMD CPU and GPU.
With expectation to online games with Anti Cheat.
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SteamOS has very limited hardware support. For the SteamOS experience on generic hardware, look into Bazzite.
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but if i do nothing (i cant unless i buy a whole new pc) can i still use it tho?
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Sure you can, my mom still uses win 7 on her old laptop
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Yes, but some functions or software you use might drop support, and you lose securrity updates (someone can always discover a big leak and abuse it) you can catch some of it with your anti virus or malwarebytes until they drop their support for windows 10.
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Yeah, thats a problem but its very old laptop anyway and used only for internet surfing. Considering that newest browser versions eat more memory its not that bad. As for viruses as long there is a number of pc with older systems there going to be antiviruses for them, market dictates and all that. For win 10 i guess i move to different antivirus after October. Bit shame because i liked Win Security
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Yes surfing, but that includes paying and exchanging personal information? Ifso then offcourse you want to protect that, if only for games or looking up information not so much.
For a few years now, i yearly buy a kaspersky license for about 20-23 euro through some in between shop, it's not some illegal code, guessing OEM versions so it doesn't have to be expensive plus kaspersky plus now even includes VPN.
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Nah, that laptop specifically doesnt have even youtube account to handle, zero personal info there because it catched couple of viruses before but antivirus handled it. yeah, i am buying same, its even cheaper were i live, around 15 euros for 2 pc license.
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What about streaming sites like max, prime etc ? Does it still work ?
They dont on my win7 or i must be doing sth wrong. Maybe i need to change the browser.
Nice money grab, forcing ppl to buy new gear.
Its so eco...need to throw away perfectly working stuff...
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That i dont know, probably they lock it under "you need new browser update" or something that conveniently not having win 7 support.
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One company I work at has strict Win10 policy, the other one said fuck it and is using Win11 already ..
The one with Win10 is cybersecurity company though, so I am interested to see how they approach the switch. Overall I could care two shits for the OS I have. My personal laptop though was a bit of a hit and miss with Win11 - it did get a bit more sluggish I think, but it is 5 or 6 years old. But maybe I am just being demanding a bit too much from laptops with 8 GB RAM (work laptop as well - the one with Win11). The work laptop seems to work perfectly fine. I mean windows and the whole microsoft ecosystem is glitchy and annoying to use, but for everyday use and gaming why would anyone care?
Daily I am switching between 3 laptops and one PC. Two have Win10, Two have Win11..... Absolutely feel no difference or problems whatsoever between the two.. As usual, this just seems "Everything new is shit" hate wagon.
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Well it's kinda forcing people to meet requirements, their pc doesn't fit (like some are posting here), which was less radical with 7>10.
Although when i got my new pc i was a windows 7 user and it also said back then to atleast get a coffee lake processor if you wanted future windows 10 updates.
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I mean my laptop was not meeting requirements as well.. according to them. And then suddenly it worked anyway.
If some are still locked away from Win11 and will be forcibly left on OS that is not supported, that does suck. No doubt.
I mean sure, I am not saying it is perfect or that I support their subscription/monetization practices or whatever they are pushing. But on my personal laptop I have not paid anything for OS, same as on my PC.. work laptopts couldnt care less either. Let the company deal with it. Games work, email works, steamgifts work.
On my PC I will most likely stay with Win10 as well. But IMO 10 years seems good enough period when to switch off support. How good is the Win11 is of course up to the user to decide. I just don't see the horrible issue everyone claims to have with it.
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My processor doesnt meet requirements and i honestly have zero desire for upgrade.
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Bad time for Microsoft, Steam OS will get full release for desktop PC this year that will lead for user migration outside windows space.
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The end for Win10 would be the perfect time for Valve to do that. :)
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SteamOS also has better compatibility with old games
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I wonder by which magick that would be. SteamOS is nothing else as a distro of Linux so all shortcomings and incompatibilities of those OSes apply to it also.
This myth would be more credible if it could run games which run only on e.g. Win XP.
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I mean steam on Linux of course. It could be achieved using different proton versions and other compatibility tools.
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I have never known TPM 2.0 to NOT cause stuttering.
You think MS would have engineered something to work correctly before they make it a requirement.
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still on win 7. 8 was ass made for touchscreen laptops/tablets and 10 was bloatware that collects and sells your data. if a product is free, you are the product. also win 10 was the most unsafe launch ever. you could fake any program for YEARS on it. this means any product could appear to be any other product
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"Windows 10's support lifecycle will end on October 14, 2025. Users have just one year left of free support and security updates for Windows 10.
Microsoft recommends that all Windows 10 users upgrade to Windows 11, or they will have to pay for security updates on Windows 10 beyond its end-of-support date.
The death of Windows 10 is now fast approaching. We have just one year left of free support and security updates before Microsoft pulls the plug, meaning everyone still running Windows 10 should now be thinking about an exit strategy ahead of October 14, 2025. Whether you're a business managing hundreds of Windows PCs or a home user with just one computer, it's time to consider your options for what's next.
But why is Microsoft ending support for Windows 10, and is there anything you can do to stay on it beyond its end-of-support date? This article will explain everything you need to know about the end of the support life cycle for Windows 10 and the many options you have as an end user to remain secure and supported beyond October 14, 2025.
Windows 10 is now a legacy operating system in Microsoft's eyes. It was originally released in July 2015, making it over a decade old when support will finally end. While it's true that Microsoft kept Windows 10's core platform up to date for many years post-2015, it actually stopped with Windows 10's May 2020 Update, which was the last to deliver core platform updates before Windows 11.
That means even if you're running the latest version of Windows 10, you're running a core Windows platform release that's coming up to half a decade old. Microsoft has released three new versions of the Windows platform since then, all based on Windows 11. That means there are security and performance improvements under the hood that Windows 10 users are not benefitting from today.
If you simply don't like Windows 11 and want to stay on Windows 10 for as long as possible, there is a third option for you: Pay for support. Microsoft has announced that it will allow both commercial and consumer users to pay for continued support on Windows 10 for the first time ever.
For consumers, Microsoft will charge $30 for a single year of additional security updates. These updates will keep your Windows 10 PC secure until October 14, 2026. Consumers can only pay for extended support for one extra year. After October 2026, you will no longer be supported."
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-10/psa-windows-10-has-entered-its-final-year-of-free-support
"Microsoft reiterates that it will not lower Windows 11 requirements — A TPM 2.0 compatible CPU remains "non-negotiable" for all future Windows versions."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1h6ia4a/microsoft_reiterates_that_it_will_not_lower/
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