Do you have any intention to act against the autojoin epidemic?

I'll just leave here this link to a blog post that was written in 2009, but is as relevant today as it ever was:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/jeyvzALDbjdjjv5RW/pretending-to-be-wise

New this would happen. As soon I saw "Content regarding sensitive subjects (e.g. politics, religion, sexuality) or sensitive events with significant social, cultural, or political impact" I knew it couldn't be maintained, because it would affect BLM and LGBQ threads. With so many BLM and LGBQ bundles and deals this would have never worked.

Just checked, and the user that's started this shitstorm, yeah, that one who glorified Hamas, albeit carefully, has been finally suspended! His suspension will be over... in a day. That's some principles you've got. That's true neutrality, I guess - where you choose not to judge stuff like that kibbutz massacre.

Ukraine war thread was literally the place where people managed to notice I was suicidal and helped me. But, I guess, stuff like this is also excessive for a gaming forum.

I myself agree overall with this although this probably upsets people.

Would I like to discuss those topics like normal beings? Sure. Can we? Apparently not.
Would it be nice if we didn't have to share videos dead bodies on here? Sure. Can we? Apparently not.

Think of other places you wouldn't have these conversations and why they don't fit into sg as well. You wouldn't go to your wife's baby shower to discuss these things and yell at her friends for disagreeing with your view and call them slurs and pull up your tablet showing everyone dead beings? Would you do it in the middle of a walmart, at a bank, in the park, at your workplace, in a chat with chatgpt, at the comicon/blizzcon convention, in final fantasy xiv with your guild mates, on some popular youtube video that has nothing to do with or about it, on a computer parts forum, in fortnite, do you do it on steamtrades, fanatical, steamdiscussions/workshop/reviews/curators, epicgames, gog, at a restaurant, at school, at a concert, the club, or game night with friends and family, do you do it on the microsoft, amazon, sony, nintendo, whatever forums? Sure maybe by some rare chance you had some extremely small discussion in one of these places, but did it escalate to the point you share videos of bodies around with large groups of people? I'm betting on no or maybe I want to believe you don't show your mom videos of dead bodies.

So why is it mandatory for it to be here, and why can't it be in a dedicated place for such discussions like telegram, liveleak, and twitter, reddit and news reporting outlets, where they encourage these discussions? Sure we have an off topic section where anything off topic should be able to be discussed, but part of the reason it's not filled with porn or whatever is because people understand(I'm hoping) that this isn't the place for that stuff.

IMO, SG is a community for gamers, not a political website, and while I'm sure many of us are passionate of these subjects, they don't have much to do with sg with the exception that SG supports users from all across the world, hence bound to find people from conflicts/situations happening all across the world at any time, people of all kinds of religions, opinions, cultures, etc making it exponentially easier for said people to start disagreeing.. It's a lot easier for us to focus on negative things too than on positive things, so the more negative the event, the more it's bound to get us riled up.

I'm also glad CG and the other mods don't give their opinion on such topics (although I think some did before), as that would only make the opposite side feel unwelcome imo, and it's not like the mods or those users are out there responsible for either side. Mods in other places don't give their opinion either for the same reason probably. So imo people who ask for them to stop being neutral, are only trying to start a fire for nothing.

Lastly I'd rather the mod team focuses on other concerns the users have, like tickets and how to improve our community experience, events, new features, site stability, etc., rather than spend their time on threads that belong somewhere else.

Thank you for listening and addressing concerns. Also, thank you for further explaining your reasoning.

Gamer site = GAMER Discussion about games and tech

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Thank you!

🤔　First, you should avoid "deleting comments".
　What was written? And was it deleted to make the argument unreadable? I feel that there is a possibility of spamming more of the same postings that have been discredited by the posters themselves and other users.
　And if you look at the state of affairs after the first announcement of this guideline thing, you will understand that this will be the reality.📝

　I think it would be a good idea, if the person is a human being, to suspend or permanently suspend the poster of a discussion where "comment deletion" is felt to be necessary, along with the comments in question and the reasons for them, to deter "Discussions trolls".
However,...
　A Mod/SUPPORT should not give discretionary authority to a discussion involving a country of affiliation.
　It is safer to limit yourself to expressing your opinions to other supporters.
　Supporters may threaten to give preferential treatment to their own countries, so it is less mentally taxing to specify in the guidelines that they have no such authority.
Some community users claimed that they were "sabotaged by the management's conspiracy to favor one side over the other. (summary)," some community users claimed, and it is better to avoid a buildup of mistrust.
It is better to eliminate the cause of the complication of the emotional problem even if there is no such fact.

　I also understand that you have included in this description what each supporter explained in their own capacity in the first discussion that the previous CG closed. ......

As noted, we will only be covering the two conflicts on the list at the moment. If another military conflict occurs in years to come, we'll first see how the community is capable of discussing it, and if other guidelines are able to keep the conversations civil and productive. If not, only then will we consider adding the conflict to the list. As topics on the list become less heated and when they are not developing on a daily basis, they will be revisited to see if they can be safely removed from the list.

　First, there will be an exchange of arguments between "perpetrator" and "victim" or "good" and "evil.😈👼🏴‍☠👶
What happens when it occurs?
To give you an example, a topic of concern about the recent situation in Ukraine has suddenly decided to switch to emergency content.
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As those who read the discussion know, it began with concerns about "immediate ceasefire" and "civilian casualties". (Initially)
　Later, we used it as a place to gather as much information as people in Ukraine and Russia could understand, as they could no longer pick up information on major sites due to the information blockade of Russian censorship and destruction of TV towers.
　Then there were sporadic spam postings and personal slander that stifled discussion as donations were made and fact-checks were put in place to determine which side was more serious in its lies.
(I believe that we have arrived at this recent situation by watching the sporadic postings of violence, grotesqueries, and non-fact-checking from some users from time to time, while watching the exchanges of users who are upset that those users are slow to pause or respond to their posts.)

To begin with, I had consulted the community about the discussion, concerned that something like this would happen as early as over a year ago.
For my part, there was a section that thought it was a story that had come to a conclusion.

https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/ZDgHgHX

[main points.]
posts from Ukraine and Russia never disappear.
(They are everywhere on Twitter, Facebook, You Tube, chat sections of leading distributors)
the disappearance of this discussion will create a debate over the debate.
avoidance by add-ons seems to be the best solution based on past discussions
it will last for about a year after the war is over
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July 2022

https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/DFHJtT0

But sadly, the SG mods seem to support it...

Why don't we add a topic category for topics related to war
This is due to past community discussion of "policy" and its consequences.
If you just want to separate the categories I think I can do it.
But like your opinion...
... since we would have to import personnel from all over the world to determine which are political statements It seemed physically impossible🙄.

A Tower of Babel would be needed.XD　🗼

This is the community with the 1st and 2nd largest number of Americans and Russians.
The fact that about 70% of the people there are expressing their opinions means that they do not want to restrict free speech.

Regarding your "spoiler" part.

One can see that several social media, including Twitter Inc. and even Microsoft, suffered from Russian BOTs and SPAM posts in the early days of the war.
I think it remains as an old argument.

One is that the criteria for SPAM and BOT in SG is a bit different from the former.

For example, it is acceptable to some extent to make political pursuits in a discussion.
(Moderators and supporters may caution against overzealous exchanges.)

　However, if you write in the comment section of a "present" after the other person's drawing period has ended, and you write about a topic that they are not allowed to discuss, do not expect a response.
　If the other person writes "do not post", you must end the conversation there or you will be treated as SPAM or suspected of being a BOT.
(Topics that the other person does not tolerate are not acceptable)

Usually, people who become friends within SG may exchange current topics.
(They may friend you on Steam as you get used to it).

In any case, leaving the discussion, when you enter a drawing for a game, you should express your appreciation when you receive the game, no matter what the nationality of the other party is.

You will be happier as a human being if you value the humanity of your friends who are always playing on your immediate side than if you go along with being exploited with the fraudulent tool of "money" for the convenience of some powerful people.

As usual, sometimes the "space translator" is not working well.
I was not speaking against you personally, but about something that everyone can think of.

July 2022

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Well, I guess you all didn't remember or weren't interested in the fact that there was such a story.

The difference between then and now is that
The problem is that the burden on supporters is too great.🤔

I think it would be easier to create an emergency (war) category, which at the time did not need to go that far, and move what supporters felt was such content unconditionally to that category.

I feel it is appropriate for the residents of the gaming community to be able to avoid mentally shocking topics with a single subscribe/unsubscribe button.

Well, those who post war topics might want to look at the "UN" notices or write a guideline that they should "hope for a ceasefire that is not harmful to civilians" and also "act to stop violent acts" and avoid anything that incites "violence" or "hostility".

It seems that there are some AI-like human beings who are gentlemen, which is obvious, but there are also some AI-like human beings who say that they can do whatever they want if it is not written down.

This is a gentlemen's gaming community.

No situation should be tolerated where a playmate is in fear for his life.🤔<No?

Perhaps the CG and the supporter team have not yet taken the time to read all of the discussions outside of this discussion and some of the opinions in some of the support tickets.

　Hence, the "Summary of the middle of the process!" seems to have resumed as this discussion.
Some people may feel resentment, but I think there is an aspect that we have to wait for a week or so for a good answer on the part of CG and supporters, since this is an activity that the volunteer staff is doing when they can spare the time.

If I were in CG's position and short staffed, I would announce that I would post a summary within the management in a week. I would freeze this discussion for a week for that purpose and for scrutiny.
　If anyone raises a ruckus before the deadline, I will not adopt the opinions of non-gentlemen users.

In any case, there is no doubt that this has been a huge burden and disruption for both residents and community operations.
Everyone gets a break, and we want to hear what you have to say.🍵🍘☕🧁

I still think it would be better to provide tools for users to hide discussions they do not want to deal with.

That said, I can understand the reasoning behind the decision -- the explanation about the toll on moderators is very reasonable. Not too happy about what happened, but no line of action would be free of unfortunate consequences.

Seems like a really roundabout solution to the problem when the mods could simply ban people who resort to personal attacks and let everyone discuss what they want if they do it in a civil fashion :x

konradsnever4get

Good.

This does seem a lot more focused and a lot less subjective

It sucks that trolls managed to derail personal and important conversations, to the point where such topics were outright prohibited. I wish we could have kept things going and just have the dipshits banned. Though I do understand the toll it takes on our mods, and respect what they do for us. I get trying to lessen the burden for them.

And yes, I know this is a gaming forum, but much of the community has decided that the off topic forum is for everything off topic including politics. To me, this community is at its best when we come together and discuss diverse topics in a civil manner, including controversial things. I enjoy a good debate.

As someone who was very vocal against the "old" revised rules, I am much happier with the new revised rules. Thank you. To be prepared for the future, in your mind you can already add the "China-Taiwan" war to the list, as I sadly think this will be happening in a few years.

I am also happy to see that you openly express realizing you made a mistake. This is a good sign. It is also helpful that you gave us a little bit of a "behind the scenes" look regarding talks with and feedback by your support team members.

On the other hand, I am still sad that there is the need to forbid certain topics within the forums, as I am a person who strongly feels that speech should never be suppressed. But I understand your needs to do this and will accept those.

I must stress that the new revised guidelines are no help at all without all of you applying a faster and stricter approach regarding permanent suspensions or even bans. I am sure you know that the content will find it's way into other threads not specifically created for the two banned subjects, as it already has in the thread for the "old" revised guidelines. You have to ban those bad community members fast and efficient, to set a clear line.

Having said (wrote) all that, thank you for listening to feedback and for establishing the new revised guidelines, CG.
Now, there is the Autojoiner-/Bot-Problem to tackle. You can do this ;)

I sympathize with people who are indirectly and directly affected by war.

I empathize with people who come to online forums like this because they seek or like this online community, whether they have much of one IRL or not (for me, my online communities feel more consistent than my IRL ones, and this is the one I check the most), and thus are more inclined to share thoughts & feelings about what is going on IRL. People can say that this is just a game-related website, but that doesn't change the sociological dynamics inherent with online discussion forums that exist here, and if you don't like it then feel free to not go to the forums as much or not at all. But if you choose to stay on the forums, then chances are the whole "this is an online community I like" is keeping you active in the forums and wanting to "fight" for what you think is a better forum.

I also empathize with moderators as I've been one on two bigger parts of reddit.

I wish there was an easier solution, but I otherwise respect these updated guidelines, knowing that solutions not involving banning specific war topics would likely require more moderators or more forum moderation tools.

I think a buried comment otherwise resonates with me:

There is a proverb here "Her doğru her yerde söylenmez.", roughly translates as not every truth is told everywhere, if only people could do this. Awareness threads are not the root of this problem, it's the people who talk more than they should. Don't want to use the word "troll" here because I don't think they all do this intentionally. In the end, it appears to be this is hard without moderation. There are two options here in my opinion. 1) We need forum-only moderators, maybe attend them category by category (with better categorization of course). Even an AI that follows threads can be used to alert moderators. 2) Make the forum rules more strict (we are here).

EDIT: Clarified thoughts on online communities

I just now noticed this thread, and must say that this seems a lot more reasonable than the previous version of these new rules, at least to me. Guess I'm pretty much satisfied with how this is being handled now, don't really have any further criticism or objections to raise.
Thanks for the changes and adjustments, and specially for listening to our concerns, I really appreciate that.

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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/XQsdC/hide-discussions
The new feature was implemented 4 hours ago.
It is better to understand the existence of this feature before discussing it from here on.

→↑👁

🔭Big Brother is you, watching🙂

Good. There are better platforms to bring such discussions to. We just want to talk games here.

Thank you for the clarification! While I still think that it's sad that it came to this, I also understand that mods don't want to review certain links or graphics. I don't even know why some people feel the urge to look at them or bring them up.

I don't have necro intentions, 🤔
Due to the international situation, there may be more posts related to the guidelines, so we will raise the existence of the guidelines.

Please remember that this Guideline exists.