You still need to get the Firefly and Harry Potter expansion ;)
After that done.
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I mean... you're not wrong.
literally chuckled out loud at that
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I assume you know Boardgamegeek.
Some I enjoy:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/31260/agricola (a little bit more complex, but far from Arkham Horror)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/113294/escape-curse-temple (cooperative, real time)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/122522/smash (first round will be around 30 minutes, later ones more like 15, you can play for days)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/156009/port-royal (base game: PvP; expansion: coop)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/97842/last-will (a little bit more complex, but far from Arkham Horror)
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I know that site and I've watched a few videos but getting into board games is overwhelming so much choice and so many opinions thought I'd ask for an open opinion. :)
Of those games what criteria do they fit? Simple or complex? The people we play with are very casual gamers so simple is good for them. Me personally anything but deckbuilding mainly.
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Edited post.
I think they all good for a semi-regular gaming night with friends. IMHO Agricola and Last Will need one player knowing the game to explain it properly.
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Me neither. I use it every now and then to browse games with high ratings to find something new or get suggestion what to try at SPIEL (yearly boardgame fair in Essen, Germany).
You could also try your local gaming store, in case there is one.
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I've been playing the heck out of Pandemic recently. Incredibly fun and I love the co-op nature.
I just got the Pandemic Legacy Season 1. I'm very excited. :)
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As for less complex games, have you've tried Evolution? It's a great game about trying to make successful species. Really fun and easy to learn. It also has a good amount of depth to it
A step up in complexity, but not quite on the Arkham Horror level we have Wrath of Ashardalon, a cooperative dungeon crawling game. It's enough for one player to fully know the rules.
For a slightly more confrontational game, we have Cosmic Encounter, which is still quite easy to learn, but has a lot of replay value.
Space Hulk might be a bit on the expensive side, but as far as 2-player games go, it's one of my favourites. Not quite on the level of Twilight Struggle, but considerably easier to get into.
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I like the look of Evolution! It also looks potemtially aimed at a younger audience though. Is that a false impression?
Space Hulk i have on steam and my hours and lack of cheevos dont tell the full story as i hotseated it at a friends but that ebay price of £3,000 was a bit much!
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The very first iteration of Evolution was meant to be a teaching tool to teach kids about how evolution worked (it had a slightly different name then as well), but the current version is aimed at a general boardgaming audience. I think a kid would struggle with it, and the game can get a bit confrontational as players get carnivores, who feed on other players species.
Ouch, £3000 is more than it's worth. I bought it when it was new, for about 80€, which seemed like much at the time.
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The concept of Evolution sounds perfect for our grouo who can be very competitive whilst never getting angry.
Its a bit like when I went to EGX and saw the Dark Souls boardgame at £120. I saw that as waaaay too expensive but now with more board game knowledge I think its pricey but in line with other board games for what you get in the box.
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I get most my boardgame recommendations from Geek and Sundry's Tabletop.
I don't recall any deckbuilding games that piqued my interest but from the casual category those look fun:
Small World (by the same company that made Ticket to Ride; has a Steam version as well)
Sheriff of Nottingham
HARBOUR
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Some classic board games are also in steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/108200/Ticket_to_Ride/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/251210/Hive/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/598810/Carcassonne__Tiles__Tactics/
there are also a Catan one but not multiplayer.
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Get Tabletop Simulator - you won't need another steam board game ever again :)
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Just a few thousands... ;) http://steamcommunity.com/app/286160/workshop/ basically almost every more known board game will have tablesim addon ;)
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erm, depends on what you mean by "friends" - 99.9 Real Life Board games require friends to play with (there are single player board games but these are very rare), so same goes here. But from OP we clearly see that Wally is looking for board games to play with friends anyway.
If you mean you need friends also owning Tabletop Simulator - depends on board game - for ones that have secret elements (like cards in your hand only you're supposed to see) in most cases you will need multiple steam accounts with tabletop sim (still there are some workshop games supporting hot seats, but these are rare), but there are a lot of tabletop games where all cards, tokens and everythiong you have is visible to all other players - and all of these will easilly work with one person only owning tabletop sim and he can pass controller / mouse to other players when turn ends.
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Deckbuilders:
Working towards Arkham Horror:
2b. General lighter good games:
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There is an excellent adaptation of Splendor on Steam.
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EDIT: och my damn, I thought these are 'normal' board games not via steam. Sorry, but here are few suggestions for when you want to buy physical ones rather than digital. :P
Damn I was just about to suggest Lords of Waterdeep when I saw your topic title. ;)
Other than that I've really enojed Pandemic. There are multiple versions. I've just re-read the comments and I see you know this already so. :P Maybe you don't know that there is a cthulu version of this? check it out :D
I've gotten into Warhammer Invasion, it's a card game but there are a few 'boards' as well. The only down part its LCG and the expansions aren't that easily accessible.
Munchkin is really fun, but again you 'have to' buy expansions to make it funnier, additionally this one is purely card game.
Mice and Mystics are aweome and it's board game. It's kind of going through a dungeon and your characters are mice with different classes, obviously :D
Dobble isn't much of a borad game but it's so fun. Just remember to trim your nails. :D The game has few variations, so it doesn't get bored easily.
Neuroshima HEX if that's what you enjoy. If it was more fantasy than sci-fi I would have played it more: D
7 Wonders was fun, if I'm not mixing it with something else. haha :D
Plus people love Dixit, I didn't enjoy it, maybe you will.
Sorry that not all are board games per say I just tried to recall the names of the most memorable. Obviously there are more I just don't remember their names. Feel free to share what new you've got.
I'm actually trying to find some good deal on Lords of Waterdeep expanion. I've read it's a total game-changer, can't wait!
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I like the skullport expansion it adds an extrs layer of tactic to the game you should check it out!
I've heard of Dixit but never played it. I watched a video on Munchkin but I wasn't sure how well it'd go down as 4/5 player game. Pandemic is probably perfect for our group I just never thought about it but I'd still like to be able to offer variety to the group so suggestions still welcome, thanks for the post!
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For deckbuilding, I really like Thunderstone Advanced and Ascention, and a great one for 2-4 players that's more of hybrid of deckbuilding and boardgame is CLANK in Space. Pathfinder Adventure is pretty good if you're looking for a deckbuilding RPG - there's quite a bit of setup involved, but it's nice if you want to get the pen & paper feel without having a DM.
There are lots of games in the Arkham Horror style that are slightly simpler and different: Eldritch Horror, Elder Sign, Mansions of Madness. I think the easiest to get into, and also one of the most fun, is Pandemic: Reign of Cthulhu.
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I played Mansions of Madness years ago but it didnt go well, it was before i was into board games and people explaining it did a bad job. Ive heard lots about Ascension and got the app for my phone but it was all behind grindy pay walls.
Now Clank is something Im very interested in, any more thoughts on that?
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Clank is a fun and silly competitive deckbuilding game that doesn't have to be particularly competitive. You each play robbers, in the Space version boarding a space ship to infiltrate the ship, steal treasure, and get out.
Each turn you play cards to move through the ship, battle, and purchase new cards. Thus as you progress, your deck gets better and you can move further, battle stronger enemies, or purchase more powerful cards. As have objectives you need to complete, such as hacking computers to get a passcode, then getting to the secure area to grab treasure, then get back out again, and you're collecting treasure as you go, so it encourages people to take different paths, and that's where some of the competition comes from. You also can only pick up one main treasure, and they're each worth different points, so there's a race to get to the best one, but some balancing required as the best are heavily guarded. To us it felt as much playing against the board as against each other, so it worked well as we're not really into cutthroat competition games - you're not likely to get pissed off at your partners, unless you're specifically looking for that.
Throughout the game, you generate "clank", like through being noisy or alerting security, and periodically the boss will attack. The more clank you've generated during the game, the more likely you are to get hit. You can also take damage from fighting enemies, or navigating through secured areas.
The board can be different each time, with 3 double-sided sections that can give you different rooms to explore. The deck that determines what you can fight or buy or when the boss attacks is also different each time, so each game feels different and there's quite a bit of replay.
It's a really fun game, and I totally recommend it to any deckbuilding fan. We don't generally like competitive games, but Clank is one of the few that we love.
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Mansions of Madness, 2nd Edition is nearly an entirely new game than the 1st edition. There's no longer a complex setup and no one has to play the overlord. An app on your computer or device tells the story and has you setup the board as you open doors and explore. It's very well done.
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Witcher Adventure Game is quite good. I also recommend Talisman with expansions. Small World 2 is fun game for a quick play, like 30 minutes. Maybe you will find something you would like in those. About Witcher - you can add me, if you want to play with someone sometime. Same goes for rest, but Talisman is very time-consuming and can't be left unfinished, unfortunately.
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Thank you for your post. Is Witcher easy to learn for someone who plays Lords of the Waterdeep and Arkham Horror(probably the most complex it gets for me) I played like 2 minutes of it and the tutorial was overwhelming but this was years before I properly got into board gaming.
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Rules are not complex, but gamestyle depends on character. It is competetive, but not really in back-stabby way. You can easily learn the ropes by playing with computer (AI is pretty dumb, if you ask me, so no frustration) once or twice. Geralt and Triss are easy to learn, but playing with Dandelion or Yarpen is more demanding (still, not rocket science...).
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Risk Legacy is an absolute must, IMO. It's designed to play 15 sessions, each playthrough evolves both the board and game rules themselves. Easy for casual gamers to pick up, but quickly get sucked into.
Lately, we've been playing the This War of Mine board game and it's phenomenal.
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Risk games really shouldn't take more than an hour or so, perhaps you guys were incorrectly allowing troop reinforcement movements? This is a common mistake. In any case, Legacy can help you get into the rhythm of 45min-1hr game sessions. I recommend this game in particular because it's perfect for bridging that gap between "casual" and "hardcore" tabletop play. The game starts out very simplistically as Risk, but then quickly evolves into a more Roleplay focused experience with plenty of room for creative strategy.
As for TWoM, I would say that it's not really casual friendly. There is a lot to digest. I think it would be fine if one person is a veteran tabletop player (can quickly sort out the rules and whatnot), and the other players can be casual. In any case, the game has a "save" feature so you can pause between sessions if need be. I would still highly encourage playing, as it's very uniquely suited to tabletop play.
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We played tge 360 version and it lasted about 2/3 hours.
As for TWoM Im interested in unusual or things i have interest in board games. So my next question would be is it playable with 2 people(Jaye is pretty good at picking up complex board games if i explain them) but one of our players doesnt have our language as their first language(my friends girlfriend js Latvian) shes still fluent in English but complex rulesets can be difficult when speaking the language is a challenge itself.
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I would say that more than 2 players would be optimal. I think you would be fine playing with your ESL friends. You really only need one person to understand the rules and sort of "GM" the game (which can probably be you), but everyone still is a "player."
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Ever try the Lord of the Rings Risk? It's pretty fun.
I want to try the Game of Thrones Risk sometime as well.
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Love LOTR Risk, it's a great map! Another favorite of my crew back in the day was Risk: Godstorm, which featured various pantheons of deities and a fun "underworld" mechanic.
Personally, I'd skip GoT Risk and go straight for A Game of Thrones: The Board Game. It's surprisingly deep, I've only been able to play it a couple times but I had a blast.
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Those both look like great games! I've always liked RIsk, you ever happen to try the PC game Risk 2 (same-time Risk)? Used to play that online back in the day.
I think I will pick up both of those suggestions, thanks!
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Oh wow, no I haven’t played Risk II but it looks like younger me would have certainly loved it! Actual RTS stresses me out though, so I’m not sure how well I’d do with the SameTime mechanic. Even in CK II, I can at least pause whenever I want.
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It is still turn based, I know what you mean about RTS.
There are the same phases of each round- but instead of taking turns with the next player, all players choose their moves at the same time.
So, reinforcement phase, you choose where to place all your armies you gained, and so does everyone else. Once everyone has placed their armies, then it becomes visible to all to see. Same with battle phase, you choose where your attacks will go, same time as others- and no one sees where until everyone finishes their planning.
I probably am not doing a good job of explaining it. But, if you are a risk fan you might really enjoy it. I think it is abandonware anymore..
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Here's a list of board games with a deck building mechanic sorted by rank on Boardgamegeek:
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/search/boardgame?sort=rank&advsearch=1&q=&propertyids%5B0%5D=2664&B1=Submit
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Spontaneously, I would recommend Munchkin, Dead of winter, Bang and Dominion. Since someone already suggested Evolution I want to give a second recommendation, it is really awesome! A bit differend but perfect for a night with friends or colleagues: Cards agains Humanity and Exploding kittens.
Even, if you are not into the genres of my mentioned games, I would recommend you to give them a try. I have never met a board games fan, who did not enjoy them :)
Sry, if yome suggestions were already mentioned. ^^°
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You can play with a lot of cards (multiple sets shuffled together), so it is actually a lot of fun with 4-5 players!
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Where I live there isnt really a local gaming store(at least to my knowledge). Ive only heard of the dice tower. I tried to watch another streamer but it was so cringey and they personified the stuffy "we're geeks" exclusivity of board games that I think Wheaton shuns very well. He's like "hey we're geeks but if you're not, who cares come have fun anyway!".
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Have you tried The Settlers of Catan? for me the best board game. Have been playing it for years with my friends on its different playmodes.
Its an easy game to learn, but as map changes every game dont get boring.
Just avoid the steam one, dont have multiplayer!
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Ally, you really need to rectify that! The game is a heck of a lot of fun!!:)
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For offline boardgames, I really enjoy Settlers of Catan (plus the expansions).
As for online boardgames, I haven't really played any yet (but if you or Jaye want to play an online boardgame one of these days feel free to drop me a line!). I own the Tabletop Simulator, The Witcher Adventures, and the base game of Talisman. I may also have one or two others that I haven't discovered I own yet.;)
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Well kinda. A party game like Mafia is a lot more relaxed and does not require such a commitment. Comparing Mafia to something like Arkham Horror is a bit like comparing Calvinball to trying to play a serious game of Football, there are similarities, but you don't play them for the same reason.
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You both missed my point, and seem to have a very skewed idea of how much "work" there is to play board games. Not every game is World in Flames, you know?
You would not make a game exactly like Civ as a board game, it's not designed for that, there are mechanics that would either not work or just be a bookkeeping nightmare. But my point is, why did you feel like putting in the effort learning Civ (and why did Entropia learn EU4), when you could have played something that just gave you instant gratification, like Super Mario Bros or DOOM?
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Don't you think most board games strive for a smooth learning curve and having as little "guff" on the side as possible, and clearly readable pieces that makes things intuitive and easy to understand at a glance? Most board games are actually easier to get into than Civ. Not World in Flames that I posted above, but something like say Wrath of Ashardalon (posted link to it above) takes less effort than Civ.
The attached image is from that game. But even if it "looks" hard to get into, it really is not, for very similar reasons to why Civ is not hard to get into. On top of that, you get the advantage of information not being obscured, which is something that Civ does.
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I thought that complexity is the main selling point, since tabletops became an elitist niche for people who enjoy that kind of stuff and steep learning curve seemingly doesn't bother them
This is completely false. Most board games are designed to be relatively easy to learn. Of course, much like with video games, there are there are degrees of complexity, and there are also degrees of user friendliness. (And it's important to not mix those two up. Wrath of Ashardalon is a far more complex game than Children of Fire, yet Children of Fire is harder to learn and harder to teach).
My friend is a big fan of W40k, also told me how Shadowrun and several other tabletops and pnp RPGs are played, and based on that I assumed that easy to learn casual games either went digital (or lost popularity to digital) or got downgraded to party games, while more serious tabletops would naturally cater to the most hardcore and loyal audience.
It sounds like your friend is the elitist, not board gamers in general. Board gaming, much like computer games, have in the last 20-30 years taken huge strides towards accessibility. But much like with computer games, there will be those who just look down on those playing "simpler" games than them, or even refuse to accept them as part of the hobby.
Also, I've played 40k on and off since 98, and part of that was at a national tournament level, and that game has become a lot more user friendly and accessible as well over the years. And I'm not saying dumbed down, because having played the latest edition, there's still a lot of depth there, more so than 3rd edition (when I started).
Also, Shadowrun is on the more complex end of pen & paper RPGs (far from THE most complex), and right now we're in a bit of a period where new pen & paper RPGs are very rules light.
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How come oversimplifying everything don't kill all the fun? :P
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"I once ate a stale, week old tuna sandwich from a gas-station corner store. I now hate anything that's two slices of bread with stuff inside, and only eat rice dishes."
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"I played ET back in the 80's on my parents Atari 2600 and man I totally don't get this video game thing."
You're knocking on someone else's choice of what to do with their time and money, with almost 0 experience of what they are talking about based on a knock-off of an 82 year old game. Excellent contribution to the conversation. Board games are booming as people want to get away from looking at screens or more social interactions. The Rise and Rise of Tabletop Gaming
I played all of the typical games as a kid (Monopoly, Scrabble, Sorry, etc) and teen age war games (Risk, Axis & Allies), but dismissed modern board gaming until about 3 years ago. A friend asked me to come over for a 6 player epic game. It was long and complex, but I immediately saw there was something there. I investigated further and found a whole new world of interesting games and entertainment.
If you absolutely have to have your screen, then games are now even integrating that. They generate scenarios or keep track of score, while still giving you the feeling of having something tactile in front of you. Tabletop gaming is not for everyone, and even within the hobby not all games are for games (just like video games). You might want to keep an open mind though, because there might be a board game out there even for you.
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It's probably not for you then. I was explaining why it appeals to many even with video games. I was more commenting on your general tone and coming into a thread and basically answering OP's question with "why would you even do that". There are plenty of hobbies or sports I have no interest in, but I can see where and why others would enjoy them. I certainly was not telling you to find a local board game cafe or go out and buy a pile of games. My advice was to simply keep your mind open. If you find yourself in a situation where someone offers you the opportunity to try a game, it might be worth trying.
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There are a lot other online platforms where you can play games
yucata.de, brettspielwelt, boardgamearena, boiteajeux.net and others
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A lighter co-op game might be a good idea if you want people to try Arkham Horror. AH is pretty complex and might be overwhelming for some people. I suggest taking a look at Forbidden Island/Desert and Pandemic (all three were featured on Tabletop).
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Some of my favorite Steam board games:
Splendor
Carcassonne
Settlers of Catan
Le Havre
Agricola
Bohnanza
Patchwork
Mysterium
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No one else has mentioned my favourite board game reviewers, by far - Shut Up & Sit Down are brilliant. You might want to look at their playthrough of Android: Netrunner, which is an excellent, interesting CCG you should definitely check out.
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Yup, they're also my favorite. I love how they don't focus on rules in their articles and videos, but instead they try to explain what makes particular game so fun.
And I also have to agree about Netrunner. Unfortunately, I don't play it as much as I would like. Mostly because it's on the heavier side and requires a good partner. But it's for sure one my favorite 2 player games.
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Definitely give TWAG a go, especially since both of you already owned it on Steam. It may look simple but there's actually a lot of things going on underneath. Only problem is there isn't much people playing it nowadays, so you have to find your own friends to play with. You can also play with bots but it's always more satisfying and more fun to play with others. Both Steam and GOG versions can cross play but GOG's achievements are messed up so it's impossible to 100% there. Steam's doesn't have this problem.
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Recently I have got into board games in a big way. I was wondering if there are any fellow board gamers out there who can give me a few suggestions and if any groups exist who play board games through steam(I am enjoying Lords of the Waterdeep currently).
Theres three kinds of suggestion I'm after.
I've recently bought Star Realms and Legendary Marvel Deckbuilding game. I'm huge on deckbuilding without the chase(Magic, Pokemon etc) any suggestions for 1 or 2 player deckbuilders other than the usual Dominion suggestion.
Me and Jaye semi-regularly hold a games night which friends come and play more casual board games(Ticket to Ride, Monopoly, Exploding Kittens to name a few) any less complex suggestions to wean them into Arkham Horror.
Steam boardgames, suggestions? I'm tempted to give Witcher Adventure Game and Sentinals of the multiverse a go. I play LotWD, OJ and a few others I own but barely play(Armello for example) and even more untouched(Pathfinder Adventure).
Thanks in advance any suggestions welcome in any category I've mentioned.
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