I'm really not sure whats going on anymore. It kinda started going berserk since the summer sale.
Eventhough.. I have seen certain people (that I somewhat know and trust) actually giving out hundreds of dollars worth of games but its still confusing.
On the other hand, I've seen people I never heard of suddenly giving out $1000 worth of hidden giveaway games in a week, somethings not right, I think.
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Some people have larger contributions because they have submitted some keys from Indie Gala 7, that haven't been added to the bundle list yet. Then there are of course the occasional IGN Prime exploiters.
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It was exploitable at one point. That's why there are giveaways for 4-9 copies of Choplifter HD or Hacker Evolution Duality sometimes.
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Your topic title mentions people who abuse the contributor system and IGN Prime exploiters fall under that category.
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Vigilante action in a lawless land.
It's how the West stayed won...
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Ask yourself if you want to let yourself become as dishonest as those people. I haven't contributed much (less than I've won), but at least what I have contributed I paid for despite my financial issues. I'm not going to call out those people, I'm just not going to support them and keep hitting the "report" button.
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You're right of course, but what the Steamgifts community needs is some mods with teeth.
I'm not sure whether the remaining mods have any powers right now, and CG can't be expected to play whack-a-mole with beta cheaters, fake account circlejerkers and referral link automatons on his own.
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I see that same damn thing. Just look on top contributors this week, and every single week you can find jerks that make private giveaways with the most expensive developer packs. Of course their Steam library and public contribution clearly show, that they would never afford it. I've reported many of these.
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I think contributor-only giveaways should disappear, but that more private groups should be created. That way the real contributors, those that really give games and spend a lot of time here, can make giveaways to other contributors via the groups, and those who are just willing to give to the public can still do so. Plus, there is better control on who enter the groups. Contributor values are just an abusable and easy-to-bypass way to make a group, in parallel to regular groups...
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Well, you don't have to, but if the goal was to avoid leechers by using contributor giveaways, it's not working anymore, as this thread suggests.
I'm not a big fan of removing functions from the site, but this one is clearly broken and is the source of many problems now. All that Bundle key adventure from the last few weeks is also a proof. Though I like how the Bundle thingy was addressed, making private giveaways to get contributor value out of fake keys isn't as easy to stop. Suffice for 2 friends to exchange fake games, mark them as received, and bam nothing can be done about it and they're full the roof with contributor points.
The other issue is the "value" of the contributor points currency. Since you never lose any, and there is potentially an infinite amount created everyday, low-contributor value giveaways are worth less than those from a couple of months ago, as it restricts less people. Eventually, the real contributors won't be discernible from the rest of the fake contributors, because they are cashing in real money, and the fakers aren't. So contributor giveaways could, in a not so far future, become a kind of private giveaways for the majority of the fakers, while real contributors will have lost their way of giving out to the other real contributors.
This contributor corruption has no end, and this is what will happen if nothing changes. Sure a couple more mods could help out, but there are limited ways to intercept fakers.
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The system works ok as long as gifters check out the winners before blindly gifting. I've had one giveaway re-rolled twice (and the "winners" suspended) for general douchebag behaviour and rule-breaking.
At the end of the day, if the winner has scammed to get the entry points, don't give them the game and raise a support ticket. It's not ideal, but it's still a decent way to give to people who have contributed to the site.
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Good idea, and it should work most of the time. However, you can't be 100% sure the guy is faking, since he could have a real small group of people to giveaway games to. Then a small group of fakers could unite and back each other in the same way, giving away games they already have so they look like they're activated, and so on.
Anyways, no system is failproof, but let's at least find ways so that it's difficult to bypass the rules. I'm a pure leecher for now, and yet I'm offended by the so many fakers out there. At least leech with dignity!
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Preach it like you leech it, brother :)
All power to ya.
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True enough, but at the same time, not doing anything will make the problem worse. And any suggestion ought to make some people less happy. Like I said previously, I doubt there'll be any wonder solution to this, yet I think cutting at the source and listening to what people think is what should be done.
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How about getting rid of private giveaways instead...I think the contributor system is rather useful, all the more with the recent bundle changes.(although the join-giveaway-points everyone receives from bundle games should also be lowered so people really have no motivation to split them up...).
What's abusable is the private system.
Like, let people do private giveaways, but without it adding to contributor value. If I buy a 4pack and give away 3 copies to 3 friends I invite to a private giveaway, that should not increase my score.
I'd vote that private gives no points, and group giveaways only give points if there is a certain number of entries per copy(say, 50 or 100 entries per).
That would make it impossible to "farm" points that way. The only ways to get points then is to use open, contributor, or big/open group giveaways, and use real games rather than individual bundle keys(already implemented).
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Getting rid of the contributor system > getting rid of private giveaways.
Seriously, now we want ot get rid of that too? I guess no more puzzle giveaways or giveaways for only people with monkeys in their avatar then.
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Whoa whoa whoa, 50-100 entries for group giveaways, some groups have only 50-100 people in them, sometimes less....A group giveaway I am doing right now has 14 entries, it probably will hit maybe 20-30 at the most.
I think what you are suggesting goes way to far...
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Maybe he suggested too high a barrier, but I think his idea makes sense. When I joined SG, I thought it was only public and contributor giveaways, and it made quite a lot of sense to me. Then I discovered how much the forum and groups did too. Maybe a 20-25 limit would be better.
But it does not solve the issue of low-contributors getting quite numerous. High-contributors will still have a lot of trouble and will have to set really high limits to "select" a class of contributor they want in.
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Honestly a 20-25 is still to much...here is a real giveaway
I have seen giveaways in the single digit that were legit, this doesn't seem like it would work.
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Fucking this.
Firstly I've done a number of private, puzzle giveaways that had entries <10.*
Secondly, I've recently created a private giveaway group for members of SteamGifts who I like and who are active on the forums and/or who've created giveaways that I've won. :) At the moment it only has 10 members. The current giveaway (Dawn of War Anthology) I'm running for them has 2 entries, either because people already have the games, or don't want them...I don't know. I'm not trying to game the system, I'm trying to reward people I like with a better chance to win games.
*Low-entry puzzle giveaways are the best chance you can get to win a game without being a member of an exclusive giveaway group.
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For a start, I'm almost certain that giveaways don't count toward the gifter's contributor value unless the number of entries per copy is greater than 1. E.g. Your example of 3 copies & 3 entries would not count toward your contributor value.
Furthermore, as I've said repeatedly, private puzzle giveaways are the best way for all members to get into low-entry giveaways without joining an exclusive giveaway group or having a super-high contributor value. Do you really want to remove an incentive to create them?
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I get really annoyed by users that are exploiting things like HiB or Indie Gala. I saw one user yesterday that had 200 gifts marked as received and 1,200$ worth of gifts. Only problem was, 90% of the giveaways were Indie Gala's, 5% were HiB's and another 5% were 5$ games.
Gifting almost-free bundles only to get your contribution amount high is nothing but lame and shouldn't be allowed.
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You mean the one who won the 2K collection twice? That's one lucky guy
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If you look carefully since last week (im here for a week) there is so many people who do fake giveaway&entries with their fake accounts for getting more cont. value i dont want to call-out people but since cg is alone he cant catch all of them so i think best move for now is call-out them...or not ?
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