Don't worry about it. People can either give away individual games from the Humble Bundle, or they can give away the entire set, usually with a gift key.
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And a lot of headaches for the small support team trying to keep up with all the bundle giveaways being made.
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It's not against Steamgifts terms of service though.
I've ranted about this a bit before..
I give these individual keys away and I also am glad to, what good would they be for me or anyone else, sitting in my profile unused for all eternity, because I already owned the game from either a different bundle or prior purchase? I also always make sure I mention where I got the key from, Indie Gala, Humble Bundle etc.
Furthermore, there are some unlucky people who can't have access to credit card or paypal purchases in their countries, so for these people, these giveaways are the best way to get the games, since they couldn't join in the fun with the bundles..
Finally, the last humble bundle (amnesia fortnight) actually went against their own T&Cs. I had to email them to confirm.. every person received extra keys to 'GIVE AWAY TO FRIENDS' (I MADE SURE WITH CUSTOMER SUPPORT!) for the game 'Brazen'
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I can understand when people give the keys away when they already have the games (although I don't like it when they make giveaways for them). But most people give the games away just because they don't want the Steam keys and they use the DRM-free versions (which is pirating) or they buy many bundles just to split them here.
There is still the option to give the whole bundle so when someone wants to give the bundle to people who can't buy them he can give the whole bundles away instead of splitting it.
That was an exception.
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Personally, I think if you've paid for it you should be able to do whatever you want with your keys, their TOS be damned. Just my opinion.
I've said this before, but if it were really an issue for them though they could easily remedy it on their end by:
That of course does not stop the giving of keys while retaining the claimed page for oneself, but then there is nothing that can be done about that.
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The thing about „their TOS be damned“ is really tricky. If you're in the EU you're right. Since you didn't know their TOS before buying the bundle (if it's your first) you can do as you please. If you're in the US (and therefor EULA land) it's quite different and you have to abide by their TOS.
Not my opinion but the law.
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Strictly speaking, terms of service have no legal weight at all. They're just what they say: terms of service. In other words, the rules of the service.
They can revoke your licenses if you violate them, but you would not be liable to litigation, much less criminal prosecution. By the same token, if you violate the rules here, we can suspend your use of the site, but you face no civil or criminal penalties unless your behavior would warrant that anyway. But they probably have clauses in there that let them revoke your licenses for any reason, just in case, so no big deal.
Unless you buy them in vast quantities and try to give away/sell the individual keys or otherwise do something flagrant and eye-catching, they're not liable to bother with doing anything about it, and as long as they're not acting on it, it's not really an issue. Frankly, the whole thing is not much worse than tearing the tags off of your friends' mattresses.
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Well said. Except the part about tearing the tags off of mattresses ... not cool, dude.
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Strictly speaking that's wrong, as you said.
If you violate them they can terminate any services offered. Your money would be gone and you couldn't go to court about it. Well, you could, but you'd very probably lose (in the US), because the terms of service carry legal weight in this case.
But no, you won't be sued over this.
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While I don't necessarily disagree with that, personally I also would not begrudge someone for doing whatever they wanted with something they paid for as long as they aren't blatantly committing piracy. I guess you could say I fall somewhere in the middle.
Your reply also begs the question: what if you spend 20 dollars on the bundle? Or 50? Or 100? Or 200? At what point do you get to do as you please with the keys? (lol that rhymes)
Just because it's a 'rule' in the ToS, it doesn't mean that it necessarily makes sense from a practical standpoint.
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Well, good point but it's still the rule and I would still not share the keys but I also wouldn't hate it as much when you share the keys as when you only pay a few dollars. But the more practical thing would be to just buy another bundle for less to give away. ;)
I think the rule is more generally for people that buy multiple bundles to trade or sell the keys from there and not as much (but still valid) for people that just have already the games.
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I see where you guys are coming from but I have bit of different view, If I buy a bundle and use all the keys I can on my account(Basically the ones I don't have) and have no other use for the extra key I see no harm in giving it away, I check with people I know first of course but if no one I know wants it...I see it as sort of a waste to just leave it unactivated forever, I would think most people entering for the single bundle keys here probably aren't going to buy the Bundle so I cant see the harm in spreading the game around....
Idk maybe I am wrong for thinking that way...maybe...honestly not sure after reading this whole topic anymore O_0. I always give beyond the average if that makes it any better.... :-/...
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Using the DRM-free versions and giving the keys away isn't pirating, the DRM-free versions are provided with permission from the developers, as are the keys. Now, downloading the DRM-free installers to a flash drive and sharing said drive with a dozen people, THAT would be piracy.
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i guess you could start with giving away some AAA games...maybe the rest will follow
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As has been said, no. No action is to be taken. Policy had to be modified to account for these, in fact. Frankly, it's unenforceable. Even if we completely removed these games from the list forever, people would just submit them as other things randomly and it would be an even bigger mess.
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Yeah, I know that, but some months ago it wasn't possible, because the games were attached to the same key. So you couldn't just register those that you wanted and give the rest to others: if you gave the key away, your whole bundle was given away. Then they changed it with Android 4 (I guss) and HIB7, and this is what I dont understand.
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And then they give you 4 keys for Brazen. Makes a lot of sense.
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I went and bought a bundle from the Indie Gala a month or two ago, but I only wanted Cryostasis and NecrovisioN, I had NecrovisioN Lost Company from a giveaway so I gave that to my brother. The thing is, I didn't like the RTS games, I have SWEaW (Empire at War) and so why get more RTS's from other styled games... I prefer FPS games anyways, so I gave away those games... You can only reach up to $30 contributor's value with doing this so it's not like people can just buy a ton of bundles and giveaway all of it and have hundreds of contributor value...
I don't think there is a problem with it, it's just giving games away to people who can't afford them or are too lazy... If they put contributor requirements on them then I think that's bad... But ya... Don't report...
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Uhm, where are you getting your information from...? A member of the support team has posted in this thread saying no action is to be taken.
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It's been said in the past, and if someone explicitly states where it came from, and if someone reports them for it, we will act, but it pretty much never happens. It's a huge waste of time, for the reasons I stated, really. There are a lot of those keys flying around, and we all know where they came from, but short of perma-banning everyone who submits these games without providing proof of purchase from another source, there's no way of stopping it, and we don't even have the manpower to oversee that kind of regulation.
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Report each and every one of them. While the overwhelmed Support team may seem upset with you at first for creating more administrative headaches, in the long run they'll love you for helping them cull down the number of members here. Trust me, you'll see.
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But how do you know if they have it from the bundle or they just bought it individualy?
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The first 25$ of bundle games are counted as non-bundle. Value above that is only added to a maximum of 20% of your non-bundle contribution.
That means you can only reach a contribution of 30$ with bundle games alone (25$ + (20%*25$)).
Formula:
adjustedbundlevalue = bundlevalue - Min( bundlevalue , 25$ )
adjustednonbundlevalue = nonbundlevalue + Min( bundlevalue , 25$ )
contribution = adjustednonbundlevalue + Min( adjustedbundlevalue , adjustednonbundlevalue * 20% )
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I could be wrong but I always felt like this was a rule aimed at people trading and especially selling the extra keys, given the fact they've recently gone from group keys to individuals that kind of accentuates the point that they don't care too much if you're just giving them away/to friends.
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I was wondering?
EDIT:i dont know how many people know this but you aren't allowed to give away individual humble bundle games(see their support
site)and people tend to give out games from recent bundles A LOT.
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