It's more of a "threat" that would scare them away from creating it, and some just never read the rules and don't know those keys aren't allowed.
Its less trouble then what its like now, I can't imagine how many giveaways are reported every day.
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It would piss off the people who actually bought the games individually and give the mods who deal with reports more work.
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I don't see this happening, I can't count how many times i see a giveaway for one of these keys with a description of "For some reason this giveaway has been deleted 3 times, so here it goes again".
And, no the giveaways aren't frozen and removed from the list after "x" reports, its only removed after the moderator looks at it and deletes it. So no, none of those already happens lol
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Guess I didnt word it properly or something. This is no way more work then investigating the hundreds of giveaways reported every day.
Current:
Repeat for every giveaway from an indie bundle by user (usually you see the same person have 2-3 games at once) and repeat for every additional giveaway user makes because they don't know why their giveaway was deleted.
Change:
Will have to repeat sometimes, but eventually 99% of the giveaways aren't single games from indie bundles because people don't want to be banned, and the people who tried to get away with it are banned.
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Know what would help? If people bothered to read the rules and or actually cared about following them. Much like people who ignore the fact that there is already a thread or ten about something but go ahead and make a new one anyway.
Also
Insta-bans
Insta-bans for all rule breakers
my .02 USD.
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ARGH FREE THINGS MAKE ME SO ANGRY! HULK SMASH!!!!!!!!!!
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Nah I stand my ground:
A second tickbox for all the bundle games, where you can giveaway these games for very low points. These games are excluded from the first, normal tickbox. (Even regular giveaways for these games, you have to use the second tickbox). You can give them a "humble" stamp so they will be easy to filter (like now: group/contributor/...).
Restore them after 6 months or so, then most of the bundle keys will be given away.
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All that's needed is the message. No need for extra steps, just a message that a giveaway of a key will be deleted and the user will be banned for repeated offenses. That would probably cut 80% of these giveaways right there, without any changes to policy. It's such a simple thing to implement, too, just adding text to a page.
This bundle key giveaway thing is like the cop hiding near a stop sign that's obscured by a tree and giving fines to everyone that passes, then complaining to his peers how nobody is following the law. Sure, if people look carefully enough they'd see the sign, and sure some will not stop anyway, but we still know where the real blame lies.
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Whelp, they could start by outlining any current restrictions on the flipping creation page (of all places!) and making the 'rules' more accessible (not a tiny link labeled 'FAQ' on the bottom, which is generally considered OPTIONAL READING on most sites -.-) I did not notice it until someone actually commented about the issue and I did further research. It is a bloody good thing I searched for "The Ship" before putting mine up, because information about THAT being banned is only found deep in the forums (which I saw a link to in comments - which is also against the rules apparently lol). It is one thing to have a stop sign, but an entirely different matter when that stop sign is hidden behind a tree and you arrest anyone who tries cutting down the tree blocking it!
That aside, what the hell is with all this blood thirst? Only because of the contributor value thingy (whatever good it does)? If these are such damning and detestable giveaways (oh, the irony of this phrase) then why not just give the games a contribution value of $0??? If you bought it elsewhere, tough luck? The entire point of this site is to give your games away (is it?), not to stroke your philanthropist e-peen with an arbitrary rank of personal saintliness! (or is it..)
I joined here because I thought, "Hey, I have a few games that I already own from these bundles and my friends don't want them, so maybe a random person on 'teh Intrawebz' can get some happiness out of it, rather than letting it rot!" It really is strange to me how a seemingly perfect outlet for this looks down on it with pitchforks and hangings.
EDIT: Oops, didn't actually mean to reply to your post.
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My suggestions regarding value are not to treat bundle games separately. Either give everything a value of 0 or give it its cost value, that is the lowest cost it's every been sold for. Which for bundle games will be very low, but will also make most other games given have pretty low value.
Still, I think that just putting a message on the 'create giveaway' page will put this problem to rest.
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Except, I've bought Indie games to give away, out of their respective bundles, e.g. Limbo, Cogs, Misadventures of PB Winterbottom (has that been in a bundle yet?.?), Flight Control HD (again, was that in a bundle once?). Anyway, my point is, why deny contributor points to me and others like me, who have legitimately bought giftable/tradeable games through Steam to give away, just to try and punish a bunch of scofflaws?
Seriously, that's as braindead as major VG publishers installing always-on DRM to try and punish pirates! It does absolutely nothing to affect the real problem, but instead punishes the majority for the transgressions of the minority. Braindead.
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It DOES solve the problem: de-incentivising the dime-a-dozen games, while still allowing people to get them into the hands of people who will actually make use of them (rather than going to waste). Again, isn't the foremost point of this site to give away games anyway? Doing it to rack up contrib points completely misses the point IMO. It's not a business.
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In either cases I described (value 0 or lowest cost) nobody is singled out. Value 0 to all is the most fair, but has disadvantages. The case of lowest value might seem unfair to people who bought the game for more money outside a bundle, but that's no different than people who miss any sale. It gives more value to games which haven't been discounted significantly, which I think is the right thing to do.
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Pfff, I've just saw a guy who gave away like whole Indie Gala V some hours ago stating in all descriptions he has the games from GREAT GIFT PILE. So no, I'm afraid it won't work.
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Personally i don´t mind people giving away parts of a bundle. It´s a gift after all, why should i bother about anyone gifting?
Because of his virtuel epeen (contributor $) getting bigger? I don´t care, really. Not a bit!
After all, i thought this site is for nice people how want to get rid of something they don´t need. If this is the case, there is only one thing that should happen at all: get rid of contributor status at all! The "i give away something only if you do that too" is kindergarden style, imho.
Want to be a nice person? Feel free to do so without restrictions.
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i like your entered/commented ratio and your contributions
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you think if i´d be able to buy the games i want, i´d be here?
Well okay, most people would still be here actually. Personally i would not. And be sure that i will give something away as soon as i am capable to do so. Right now, i can´t, so i am here. That´s it.
By the way: i need to talk crap now all day to be worthy to you? Geez, interesting way to differ people...
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This wont completely remove them but...
When creating a giveaway and the user selects a game from the list that is from an indie bundle, display a note in big red letters stating something like "This game was included in a past indie bundle, submit only if you have proof of purchase from another source. Failure to provide proof when asked will result in your account being banned for failing to comply with giveaway rules"
If they submit it anyways and its reported, the moderator will ask for the proof and if they provide valid proof there could be a "badge" added by the report giveaway icon saying something like "Purchase Verified"
I'm just really tired of seeing 80% of a page being games from indie bundles...
Also, if "x" amount of reports for a giveaway have been received, freeze the time remaining and remove it from the list of giveaways until a moderator investigated it.
Reworded version:
Guess I didnt word it properly or something. This is no way more work then investigating the hundreds of giveaways reported every day.
Current:
or
Repeat for every giveaway from an indie bundle by user (usually you see the same person have 2-3 games at once) and repeat for every additional giveaway user makes because they don't know why their giveaway was deleted.
Change:
b) Response received, indie bundle purchase - Ban
c) Response received, valid purchase - Prevent further reporting of giveaway
Will have to repeat sometimes, but eventually 99% of the giveaways aren't single games from indie bundles because people don't want to be banned, and the people who tried to get away with it are banned.
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