Yeah I know. Apparently I'm the only one who thinks that.
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You're taking this way too seriously, we just do it as a joke obviously.
Like every big corporations, I'm not gonna lie, Valve are greedy assholes.
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Oh it's a joke? And here I thought teenage TF2ers were literally worshiping Gabe Newell in a Satanic cult.
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I sometimes doubt it, actually... You never know with TF2 addicts.
Kidding aside, I was replying to Mike's post.
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what is more idiotic is, if someone avoids a discussion by just deleting his post (and the detailed answer to it with it), instead of giving some valid arguments.
but i guess that's just what you do. if you are not able to win a serious discussion, just delete it, lol. but i give you that: you are the most annoying troll of the last weekend. gz.
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Also has 'REAL' in it's title, so I know for a fact it is real! It says so right there on the Internet...
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it will take time but at some point they will find a way they always do
that is what i find funny about DRM all the effort and it still does not stop what it is meant to stop and in the end usually causes more headache for those who buy it
Steam has DRM but it is so forgiving that most people never notice it i bet some do not even know it really exist because most people log in every day to verify the license if needed though i did find out that 7 Days To Die needs to logged into steam no matter if online or playing offline but no big deal there
none the less in the end DRM does not stop people from doing it and if you can host servers people can play on cracked servers i do not mind DRM as long as it is like Steam
and the DRM for Fifa might be easier to crack if more people had to work on it but for now not too many games use it if it is on Steam that is easy as hell to crack but yet Steam still seems to be the place to get games so if Piracy was that damning how come Steam is still around?
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I'm studying computer science and specializing in video game development. My teacher hates DRM not because it's annoying, but because when he was a game dev he hated working on DRM only to see the game cracked on day one or sometimes every a few hours before it's even out. He feels like he wasted his time and he wishes he could have been put on the team that actually made the game. It's sad since companies still don't realize this. Look at witcher. NO DRM and yet both games sold like 3 millions copies which has to say something. I was taught that the suits only care about numbers and never make everything too long, but I honestly don't understand how they got their jobs. If they can't see that being an asshole = no money then they're idiots.
One of my other teachers was one of the producers of FEAR 3 and he talked about how the team was trying so hard to fight against the Co-oP push, but the publisher just kept saying "co-op is hot right now put it in". I guess the suits can't read since people were pretty pissed off about how it was going to be a co-op game. He hated the game and as a fun thing me and half the class held a fear 3 "lan party" in class. Told us we're assholes. No regrets.
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It will be cracked eventually, theres just no way to stop them, because no matter if they hire 300 engienniers to create an unpirateable DRM, there will be 600, hell 6000 guys out there ready to give it their best shot, and the will succed, they always do, theres always a way, hell even i when i was in college used to crack software just for the fun of it.
DRM only ruins the experience for those who have actually payed for the game, wich is just stupid, and fortunally some companys see that already, RockStar has already said that they have nothing to do with Denuvo.
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Every DRM interation was "OMG uncrackable u guiz!" and yet it was cracked. Hell, CNC 4 was suppose to be the big "we gotcha now pirates!" and they cracked that shit. Steam was suppose to be uncracked, Uplay, Origin, and yet you can find plenty of cracks for the clients and their respective games.
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TrackMania Sunrise has never been cracked, ever.
It uses StarForce, shit is strong.
Some other games using the same version got cracked.
But TrackMania Sunrise.. never.
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sorry, that's not correct. i remember playing a cracked version of trackmania sunrise, back in the day when i pirated games.
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Honestly what they need to do is make a cracked client similar to steam. Then you can use fake steam for all your pirate booty.
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Sadly, "uncrackable" is a senseless word. Nothing is uncrackable. Nothing cannot be stolen.
As the saying goes, "Anything can be hidden, but everything can be found."
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As long as there is some state where the program is running unlocked, there's a way to crack it. A locked box with no key makes the box unusable, but as long as a lock isn't broken there exists a way to make a working key for it. DRM can always be defeated.
The only way to make sure that the box's contents aren't being accessed without permission is to keep the box and keys under your own roof. That means always-online. And that 'solution' creates more problems than it solves.
Piracy is a bogeyman in any case. Name me one IP that failed explicitly because of piracy and not some combination of bad product, bad marketing, or bad management (or replace 'bad' with just 'unfortunate', if you wish). Also, to OP, Ubisoft's DRM circa-AssCreed2 wasn't cracked for several months iirc. Look what happened to that.
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I've often heard that the first month or so after launch is when a game will be pirated the most. So if the DRM isn't cracked then, a lot of people won't pirate that game. Instead, they will play something else.
But this DRM will be cracked eventually and, once the people cracking know how to defeat it, the next game using it will be cracked much faster.
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"Denuvo is the new company formed from a management buyout of the Sony DADC DigitalWorks team, the team that developed best-of-breed copy protection systems like SecuROM"
Fuck these guys.
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Yep, SecuROM is the winner in my personal ranking. I have Men of War: Assault Squad, protected with SecuROM. One day I installed it, tried to activate. "This game was activated too many times, blah, blah, contact support..." O_O I did like 2 installations of this game, both on the same PC. Wrote to support, got an answer in few days. Activated the game. After that I thought to myself "Wait... some games can be activated on Steam using their SecuROM keys..." Tried. It worked! Bye SecuROM and having to activate it every time I feel like installing the game.
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People saying that it's uncrackable generated interest in cracking it. Partly for bragging rights, partly so they can crack the next game using it.
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those type of pirate would not buy it if they could not pirate
so you would still have no friends to play with seems to me you need better friends that do not steal
but eeh
there are plenty on steam who buy games
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Give it a few weeks. All DRM can be broken, and in the end, only the legal consumer will suffer. Sucks to be us.
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Dont buy EA games, they need to realize that players dont want to be milked with expansions and shit. Until then, they will keep doing that, because they know players are stupid and will buy everything they chop off the game and sell separately.
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Also, people who want EA games on Steam... the only way to get them back is to boycott Origin together. That ain't gonna happen though. :p
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I have to agree that support is much better, even if 90% of the time you need to contact them for issues that should simply not have happened. (Probably easier to have good customer support when you have less customers though.)
The refund policy only applies to EA titles... it's the same as if Steam offered refunds but only on Valve games.
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Yeah because some people aren't idiots so they don't need to freak out and "boycott" Origin.
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Not cracked yet is far from being Uncrackable...
And no it's not impressive, ask the people who were around in the Starforce period :p
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FIFA 15 has yet to be cracked and I have to say this is incredibly impressive. Not that I'm a big fan of DRM, especially terrible ones like GFWL, but to have a game that is uncrackable for over 1 and a half month is just downright impressive.
I believe it will be cracked one day, but this DRM seems to be much more effective than whatever Steam has to offer.
Not that it concerns me since I've long stopped pirating thanks to Steam. So praise GabeN for cheap games and may it last an eternity!
Anyways back to my point, should we start worrying about companies screwing us over or should we rejoice that pirates won't be able to get stuff that we paid for?
P.S GTA V was rumored to use Denuvo DRM, this has since been proven false. As long as it runs decently(aka better than GTA IV) and doesn't use GFWL, GTA V should be a purchase for me.
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