Hello,

in the last month my level was 8.63. The first drop came to 8.40 and now it is 7.99, that's a huge difference, is this drop normal?

Update just 2 days later: I'm down to 7.73 now please help this is not normal I have not created any giveaway since 5 years ago what??!!

Thanks!

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I'd check if any of your recent giveaways were changed to have less CV than they had when you made them (whether reduced or no CV), that was my instant reaction to reading this. If not then I have no clue really XD

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I haven't made any recent giveaways since 5 years ago!!

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Yes.
SG removes CV from games (in incriments down to 0%) that have been bundled or given away free.
This does not happen in real time though, but often done retroactively, sometimes rather long after the fact.

So likely you have made some giveaways, and at the time you made those GA's the game(s) was already bundled or free elswehere, and now the CV you received for those GA's have been adjusted (same game(s) given away before the date of being bundled/free does not get reduced CV).

You should not see it as your CV has been reduced, you should see it as SG has allowed you to operate on a level higher than you really were for some time instead.

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You should not see it as your CV has been reduced, you should see it as SG has allowed you to operate on a level higher than you really were for some time instead.

That's only true if those keys were obtained for free. Once you pay for them, this side effect rapidly turns into a middle finger.

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Nah, it's the same - remember, SG is not part of selling those keys, it's just you (inadvertently or not) that made a bad deal for yourself.
Meaning, it's not SG's responsibility to carry the burden of a person buying full price keys and giving them away for free/reduced CV later on.

While I can understand the feeling, it still isn't SG's fault, it's just reality. And I'm not sure a faster control from SG's side on this would help that feeling at all, reduced CV is reduced CV after all. While it regularly seems to come as a surprise to many - this question have been asked soooo many times - this way at least SG gives something for a short period (sometimes not so short too) instead of directly removing the CV.

If it feels really bad, then try googling or asking here before a purchase so you can be better prepared for the possibility of reduced CV. This after all, is the key purchasers resposibility, not SG's.

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It's like a second job keeping up to date with all the giveaways and bundles. Sometimes even that is not enough and you have to be able to read the minds of the mod team. And if you miss something and open a topic here about why your CV was taken away there is a good chance you'll get accused of being an exploiter that deserved it.

As it is right now Steamgifts is a quite hostile environment for people wanting to play the metagame of levelling up.

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Compared to your profile from 5 years ago about 400 of your Gifts Sent were changed from "Reduced Value" to "No Value"

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Retroactive reduction of CV should only affect games from a certain date, not before a certain date, except in the situations where a game’s price has been lowered in price. OP has a point.

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Of course. I don't know how the reduction was applied, but given that the last giveaway was also 5 years ago, I would hope that the CV doesn't get reduced in case something became free 3 years ago, for example. I didn't check all the GAs but some I saw having No Value had it set from 2018 or earlier

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Checking his GA, the last done 5 years ago, it would probably mean that some of his games given away had their prices adjusted to no value.
Seeing that he gave away Clickteam Fusion 8 times, it may have been adjusted recently (but very retroactively) to no value.
https://www.steamgifts.com/game/aDwF6/clickteam-fusion-25

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Looks like mods are doing this again
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/PT5oh/anyone-else-that-didnt-abuse-high-cv-games-and-still-dropped-a-lot-of-cv-recent-cv-back

last time it got reversed (after enough people noticed I guess)
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/2tzn0kv
(Pete has since deleted his account (for like the 3rd or 4th time) but the comment stated a reversal, which can be inferred by the replies)

Seems like current team either unaware of those happenings or decided to retry a retroactive policy change a couple years later once more.

I'm explicitly using the expression 'policy change' as the affected games and its bundles were very well known to the generation of moderators when it happened and they specifically decided not to take the action which current staff, 6 years later, now applies.

Particularly of note this comment of a now senior mod from last event's 2 years ago
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/4FKrEHf

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damn...

I read a bit here and there and I totally agree with the Super mod comment.

My newest giveaway is from 5 years ago and I did in fact paid for my games.

This means my level was reduced for giveaways that ended minimum 5 years ago. This does not seem fair to be honest but it's not in my power to do anything about it. It's a shame.

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It's crystal clear that YOU don't like when loopholes are fixed :-D

I lost 0.06 level... and i don't care.

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LoL, of-course a topic like this can never be not with your presence, lmao. It's like you refresh the forums every 5 min to jump in whenever something related shows up.

Oh and hey, how was it with the call out rule again?

Anyway, have you read the senior mod's comment I linked to, basically mirroring what I say?
Is it crystal clear why he wrote that 2 years ago too?

Btw., the situation is indeed very clear, but let me explain. The problem ain't so much what is being done, but the combination of when paired with explicit previous decisions of former mods not to do it when the bundles were live.

Things could be so easy with properly and exactly applying some clear math, which then would also be transparent and comprehensible and most importantly predictable for the users, avoiding surprises (years) down the line.

For many of the cases/bundles the math even checks out, thus it would have been perfectly fine to do the action back in the days ages ago, however the mods of then decided not to, and that should not be left unconsidered. As this is the point that bugs the people.

Btw 2, how do you come to the negative conclusion doing a personal attack against me? When all I have written was an accurate retelling of what happened before. (Some factual information such threads most often dearly miss)
Personally, the actions may very well even benefit me in terms of entries/win chances over all. Something I much rather suspect to be your motivation in pushing it.

I would quite in fact greatly welcome a full switch to applying exact math to everything to once and for all end the uncertainty and wobbling.
Specifically:
95% discount from full retail value invoking reduced-cv.
95% discount from 15% retail value (its reduced-cv valuation) invoking zero-cv. (This step is reached at 99,25% discount of retail value)
(both with considering regional pricing where applicable)

It can be so easy...

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You want that the callout rule kick in because i don't like you and your behavior ?
rofl Good luck :-D

Anyway, have you read the senior mod's comment I linked to, basically mirroring what I say?

No.
The discussion there shown a lot of infos and i could counter whatever is written in your comment link, because it gave high mods that were for a 0cv handling of the $1 fanatical bundles (to give one example), but i don't want to spend lifetime for it because to discuss this with people like you is wasting the lifetime for no gain and i prefer not to do this with my, high value and very limited, lifetime.

rofl again the absolute stupid assumed reason/motivation that i push something to have better win chances.
Look at my owned games, look at how much games i gave away (without exploiting, abusing, cheating), calculate the spend money, be aware of 19535 games that are on my hide list and 1000 accounts that are in my Blacklist.
Of course i do all this to win more..... :-DDDDD
I can work a few hours and buy all games that i want, instead to invest thousands of hours to have then maybe a better win chance and each one that use his brain see this clear fact and not believe the paranoid assumings of the motivation "he want win more"

I would quite in fact greatly welcome a full switch to....

Good luck that cg invest time and energy to change something on the existing system.
You will need it.

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No

well, you should, it's very short just 2 sentences, yet enlightening
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/4FKrEHf

You want that the callout rule kick in

Not really what I'm saying.
You are all the time throwing around accusations against others. Your year long hunting of the 'great evil' has twisted your vision to see evil everywhere and in everyone, unable to even consider non-evil possibilities.

paranoid assumings

right back at ya

I can work a few hours and buy all games that i want, instead to invest thousands of hours

well, why are you here at all then? Still entering for and winning games, when you don't need to? Why indeed do waste more and more time further?

Good luck that cg invest time and energy to change something on the existing system.

Always the hyperfocus on cg about everything. This quite in fact doesn't need cg's involvement at all. Mods already have all access, it is a simple matter of policy application.

And I've mainly written this exactly for the mods, so they happen to stumble upon this thread.

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How i like discussions when people cut sentences and repeat then on this as my sentences had a complete different meaning.
Don't expect answers on such created/fake bullshit.

I stopped to hunt the cheaters since 2 years. Maybe you don't be aware of this.

To create and enter GAs take time but by far not so much as hunting cheaters.
I reduced my presence a lot but don't have too high hopes that i disappear completely.

From my hunting times i know cheaters that use up to 77 accounts on freebie sites and this knowledge don't disappeared only because i stopped to hunt them actively.

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Maybe you can then imagine people not liking to just get accused of misdeeds when not agreeing with you.
Like in the picture below, you've already set your mind that reigifts "protects cheaters" because you think he is one.
Meanwhile what you completely miss that he is an ideologue arguing on principles. (Not defending his style or word choice, mind you. Being an ideologue leads to an aggressive argumentation that you then falsely assume only cheaters have enough motivation for.)

Yet because you only see evil everywhere your conclusion always and immediately goes in the evil direction.

and oh hey when you come across 77 copy GAs, take a look at the entry/win count. More so in the range of like 10.
And then again another case of Scheueklappen, totally must be illegally acquired, when you massively underestimate the power of trading, as you've never done it.
Otherwise you'd know how easy it is to get ahold of a few extra keys for common games.

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because you think he is one

Good that you tell me what i think, when i don't write it.
I don't know what i would do without people like you shaking my head

What you completely miss is that i had many discussions with reigifts for years and his approach were everytime the same.
He have a opinion, mostly opposite to mine, which is absolutely ok.
When someone reply, he cut sentences in his own reply to messages that the words/sentences and meaning get changed, which isn't ok, and then based on the answered twisted sentences he build the rest of his stuff and twist it with each "back and forth" much more and expect then still "to get all infos/data/stats/evidences/ways of detecting autojoiners" etc..

So with nice words said "He form sentences from other ones till it fit to the stuff that he want to represent from the begin".
And each time to defend cheaters, autojoiners, multiaccounters, exploiters etc..

What that all mean in the end, if it mean anything at all, is each ones own interpretation.

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That's exactly what I meant when saying 'I'm not defending his style or word choice' (aka I'm not taking his side)

(One point you need to consider, even if you don't mean it (especially then), the way you had formulated that open conclusion strongly directs people into one certain direction.)

So then as my deduction is wrong, why do you think he is defending the bad guys, when he isn't one?

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Same for me, was over 6 in June, but got reduced to 5.5 in the last two weeks, apparently many games I gave away in the last few years got reduced to no value. Randomly checked and some of the fanatical bundles that had reduced value now reduced to 0 cv.

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The $1 bundles with around 30 games ?

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From like 6 years ago? Maybe, didn't scroll that far back.

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+1 I was level 5.03, now down to 4.37. As BorjaGRouco mentioned, I did giveaway Clickteam Fusion, but that was 7 years ago.

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It isn't Clickteam Fusion (this time, that was zero'd awhile ago) but a different set of games.

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Clickteam Fusion was handled 2 years+ ago and it killed up to 2000cv of one user account.
The abuse of it was EXTREME, in how much people done it and in the amount.

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I understand abuse being handled, but this is still a very long time. Real life bills aren't forced to be paid if they somehow end up unpaid for this long.

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Yes, that it take so much time till the games are listed correctly are bad. Without a doubt.
But with the bunch of new mods it should be better/faster as in the past with the, mostly, burned out and/or inactive mods.

And better late fixed as never.

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Historically that hasn't been received well. Check the most recent case of Helldivers 2 and the better fixed later than never PSN login.

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It is normal for levels to drop,

But it would be great if mods shared where they got their information for reducing the values as for example

Street Outlaws: The List

steamgifts added reduced value since 3 October 2022

so an honest question please. where does the information come from?

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Correct date would indeed be even earlier at 19 Aug 22, first time it hit 90% steam sale, breaking 95% in some regions.

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I can't remember the link to the page where it explicitly states what game at what date was put to the reduced or the no value list. Maybe this helps?

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I think you meant this page:
https://sgtools.info/lastbundled

It only shows games added to bundle list, and no zero-CV addings, or changes.

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theres sgtools for reduced, idk about for no cv. here
I think there is a page on SG to but IDK where it is

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https://www.steamgifts.com/bundle-games

SGTools is scraping data from the list above and could be outdated.

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I lost maybe 0.02? Might even just be some unrelated fluctuation. Seems like no big deal.

If you want to play the CV game go ahead, have fun but don't lose your mind over a game.

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Same for me. Not that I mind because who cares but I noticed it went from 7.92 to 7.88 then 7.80 and now 7.77
If they keep going, I'll go back to level 1 lmao
Not sure what could have caused that much change as I make very few GAs these days and the few I made that were 0CV recently already had the ** so they would need to be giveaways from months ago.
I don't give away fake massive CV games or dollar bundles that get reduced to nothing so I don't really know.

Oh well. One more reason not to care

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Wait, so the mods are actually doing their jobs and altering cv from years ago and not just for the past 6 months? So everyone including long haulers can enjoy the fun that is watching their levels drop repeatedly? I always found it intriguing how everyone seemed very much ok when it was limited to new accounts being penalized and chased off the site but now that seemingly it's affecting everyone people are not happy? Double standards much?

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From 7 to 5.21 here :(

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No offense for admins, but if someone consistently does their job well, multi-year old data doesn't need to be changed. So either some new into surfaced, or there was a mistake that needed to be fixed. Often there is a few weeks long delay, but this is extraordinary.

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Given as how your last giveaway was five years ago and Steam still had a lot more games being discounted below 90% off and under 49 cents tmk, it's probable quite a few of your giveaways met the zero cv criteria and SG is just catching up on some. I imagine if SG had paid mods instead of volunteers, it wouldn't always be them playing catch up as their real life schedules allow.

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I dropped almost $600 in real CV in the last few weeks, at least from what I can tell. Something is definitely not right.

Level 8.2 to 7.5.

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Edit: Basically I was wrong with everything and will shut up :)

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It would be nice to know what is going on. I don't mind that things are being rectified, but an announcement would be good.

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Edit: Or someone is going back many years and is correcting stuff? I don't know. Some answer from support would be nice.

My latest giveaway is 5 years ago, this should at least tell you how far back at a minimum these changes are.

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These changes in CV are probably from two bundles that were recently added after a user ticket informed us they had been missed

Dollar Viva Bundle
https://barter.vg/bundle/3196/
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/PjTul/fanatical-dollar-viva-bundle

Dollar Jumbo Bundle
https://barter.vg/bundle/2007/
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Mhyp7/bundle-stars-dollar-jumbo-bundle

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Edit: Basically I was wrong with everything and will shut up :)

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Just took a short look. You did for example give away several Luxor, 7 Wonders, Midnight Mysteries, Gardens Inc and Samantha Swift games starting shortly after the Dollar Jumbo Bundle in 2017 and until 2019.

Edit: checked the single games as well: you gave away at least one copy of each of the games from the Dollar Jumbo Bundle at some point after September 2017.

So even if you didn't buy that bundle (though the fact that you gave away a lot of those games just one month after the bundle makes it seem likely you did), those giveaways are definitely affected by the retroactive reduction. Not sure if that's enough to account for ~$700.

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You had the nerve to check all of my giveaways? Damn. I couldn't find the energy to do so, so thank you :D

Edit: I was wrong https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/S6PaL/my-level-dropped-a-lot-recently#5IfOGJp

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There's a search function. It took seconds to find the ones I mentioned first and minutes to find the rest. Writing the post took more time. ^^

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Sometimes I am dumb... ^^

Regarding the Dollar Bundles:

So I DID buy the Jumbo bundle and will shut the F up xD

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lol... it happens. ^^

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Game Guru DLCs Bundle(s) and RPG Maker Bundle(s) were corrected too.

All in all bundles with -99%, which means, from my point of view, that they handle it now correct because of the extreme discound, because it was extremely abused/exploited (take a look how many copies people gave away and which extreme cv gain they got for it) and go the same route as they do since months when other games/bundles with -99% got set to free too.

Better late then never :o) Special when i see a bit above someone go from level 7 to 5. Alone because of so few bundles.

Ps.: I lost all in all 0.06 level, but i don't care.

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So maybe it is better for me to abstain from discussing this further since I can't provide hard facts.

Check your profile with the wayback machine or similar and see the old(er) stats.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240917110725/https://www.steamgifts.com/user/AmanoTC

Pick the for you fitting date by yourself.

From what i see you lost $8 to your actual stats :-D

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Oh, I don't check there, I don't trust those numbers enough. I only check with https://www.sgtools.info/sent/AmanoTC/newestfirst and hey, to be honest, the more I think about it, maybe I am way off and didn't really lose $700 real CV. Although I am pretty sure that I was above 6200, I am no longer sure about what the actual number was.

Thank you for helping me out.

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were recently added after a user ticket informed us they had been missed

Staff have been informed of those bundles MULTIPLE times.

I myself, when I first started, gave away those games. A few months after, until last year have been anticipating the CV change. Which is why I started giving away Humble Choice games that I wasn't interested in. Hell I even stopped at Level 5.97 (or 5.9_ something) because I felt it was wrong of me to be level 6. I haven't saved a stockpile of Humble Choices, I decided my backlog was large enough to keep me occupied for a while as well ... even though there was some real tempting offers.

So while I fully accept my CV demotion, and am thankful it finally happened ... don't tell us "recently informed" ... @Masafor, for one has been very vocal on those bundles several times.


EDIT: Removed inappropriate word ... staff don't deserve that, my apologies.

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To be fair, a lot of the mods changed.
So, absolute possible, that the new mods see(n) the information the first time.

And, of course, had first now as mods the possibility to do something.

Plus the handling for the -99% reduced games and bundles changed first in the last months, i assume because of the extreme abuse with the overpriced trash games that swamped steam and sg.
The same thing happened since years but the overpriced trash games before were at that time "only" $14 - $21 and the costs for them, in shady ru shops, were between 4 and 16 cents (in average around 8 cents).
I would be happy when the new mods would nuke this abused GAs too (i reported hundreds of them in the long ago past and they were set to bundled = 15% cv....). Some level 8 - 10 dudes would directly lose 4-5 levels

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Recently informed = recently submitted ticket.

The open tickets in the Add Game to List category was 200+ and is now at around 40. I dealt with lot of these in the last couple of months and none of those tickets mentioned these bundles. None of the remaining tickets are about these bundles.

So, in terms of my time as a Mod, this is the first I've heard of them and the only information about them submitted when I could do anything about them. I haven't, unsurprisingly, gone through all the closed tickets for the last 7 years to check if they had all been dealt with correctly, nor was I aware of the bundles when I was a regular user.

If users have been "very vocal" about these bundles then it was before my time, so I'm not sure how I personally could have dealt with them. The number of mods increased over the last couple of years and most tickets in every category aside from 'Unsuspend Request' are a fraction of what they were which I see as a positive thing.

This kind of reaction is exactly why I don't usually post in Discussions. It doesn't matter what is happening = tickets aren't dealt with, are dealt with, CV is reduced, not reduced, whatever happens somebody will be unhappy. So, I'll go back to quietly dealing with tickets.

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Next Feudalife Challenges games maybe or that is a wishful thinking?

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At least half of them, probably more have already been zeroed out by the former mod team. I expect all of them to hit the zero CV list eventually so I largely stopped giving them away here, mostly use them to push the community train and stuff like that.

After the Feudalife games are done maybe the mods could zero out all Lootboy drops, then everything from the Hitsquadgodfather store, then everything that ever hit 85-90% off on Steam because of regional pricing and then we can all enjoy the giveaways of unknown assetflips that are still worth giving away.

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the difference is that Faudalife only needs a minute to get a key and you can get more than 1 key per day, for hitsquadfather except for the weekly mass giveaways that they are always put to zero cv the rest mostly need a lot of time to get enough points to get a key and usually they are very limited in numbers. for lootboy i dont know how exactly works so i cant say anything.

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Lootboy largely works like a typical beermoney site. You can earn some currency slowly by just logging in daily but you can earn a lot more by doing tasks like watching ads, doing surveys, playing F2P mobile and browser games, stuff like that. I don't know how you want to draw a line on how much work means something is free and how much work means it no longer is. And how to judge idling vs active work? For example Hitsquad requires zero work, you just have to keep a tab open. How does doing a 20 minute survey compare to keeping a tab open for say 24 hours?

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Your service is very much appreciated!

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I'm personally content with the speed my "adding to list" tickets are being dealt with - with the back-dating it's useless to worry about the mod team's speed while it's reasonably fast (I'd expect a week when not swamped in other tickets). It's remarkable when it a day, or sometimes even less.

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Hi Smythe, I'd like to apologize because, basically, I was wrong with everything :)
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/S6PaL/my-level-dropped-a-lot-recently#5IfOGJp

I do appreciate staff going back years to correct stuff. I really do. Any mistakes made in the past should be corrected.
I still think that, if you are correcting CV dating back several years, there should be an announcement made within the forums to avoid confusion between the memberbase.

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Sorry, but I read this sad thread and remembered this fragment and couldn't help but share it with you)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHbpWb3ZNGY

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😨😨😨

Awwwww I got spanked

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So just to have a concise explanation for everyone interested:

You have bought at least 8 copies of this bundle in 2017 for $1 each. You gave away 8 copies of each of the 33 games from this bundle shortly afterwards. Just some examples:

https://www.steamgifts.com/user/SHOBU007/search?q=luxor
https://www.steamgifts.com/user/SHOBU007/search?q=7%20wonders
https://www.steamgifts.com/user/SHOBU007/search?q=midnight
https://www.steamgifts.com/user/SHOBU007/search?q=swift

On average, those games were valued at $1.50 each (reduced CV from $10 on average), while they should have been set to 0 CV back then. This has now been corrected.

So - knowingly and deliberately or not - you have ever since profited from an overinflated CV of at least $396 (8 * 33 * $1.5) from just this bundle alone. Since I don't know for sure, if they actually were already reduced back then, it might even have been up to $2640. And you have paid $8 total for that. Instead of mourning the loss, you should consider yourself lucky that it took so long.

To give some bigger perspective, let's look at one example: there have been 2900 giveaways with 4291 copies total of one of the games from that bundle, Luxor 2 HD. The absolute bulk of these giveaways - I would estimate at least around 75-80% - have happened in the period of Aug - Oct 2017, directly after that bundle was sold.

So at ~75% we're talking about ~2175 giveaways / ~3218 copies, so - assuming they were already set ro reduced CV - ~$4827 of inflated CV within the community, just for this one game. Assuming everyone gave away the whole bundle, that's ~$159291 total of overinflated CV within the community, just from this one bundle. And they have paid a total of $3218 for that.

While there might also be some people who later paid more for some of those games to give them away, I can't imagine anyone actually thinking, that this should not have been corrected retroactively. But I am also not betting on that anymore.

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Thank you so much for the time you took to write and explain this!

It is way more clear to me what happened. Also thank you for examples!!

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Closed 2 months ago by SHOBU007.