loli = pedophile = child abuse (of real children)?

Some people don't even know what pedophilia is. I noticed many people think that sexual attraction to girls less than 18yo is pedophilia. That is just stupid.
You're pedophile if you're attracted to children, who has a children body. But if a girl physically is mature and can give birth to a baby it is normal to be attracted to her. That's how nature wanted it to be, it's called instincts.
Of course there's another thing - morality. Is it moral to have sex with a 14-16yo? Is it moral to have sex with naive and psychologically immature 30yo woman?

I don't know what a bad person is 'cause i'm a nihilist and since morality does not inherently exist and there is no truth the only thing i can do is accept the chaos of eternal doubt and confusion and embrace nothingness what up biatch.

I personally use a pragmatic approach to these questions:
Does making or "consuming" sexualized drawings of underage kids hurts somebody?
If it does then it should be made illegal, otherwise IMHO we should strive towards freedom as much possible.
Making something illegal only because we find it disgusting is not the right approach to me (otherwise I'd have to make blue cheese illegal).

You can love little girls and boys and its ok. But if you want to have sex with them you should talk to some specialist. ASAP. Not-So-Fun fact: some phedophiles are getting atracted to young girls/boys becouse they cannot find a woman. Its really sad. And I bet there are some cases where some guy was rejected so much/is scared that he will be rejected that he prefers to lock himself in his house and watch or play media with undereaged characters. And thats also not good.

I've seen a lot of questionable stuff @ Steam

And I thought that I was a sad, sorry person. Now I feel better reading this thread for some reason. FeelsGoodMan

gg, internet.

g fucking g.

And now, since a few users mentioned Hyperdimension Neptunia, I have a question for everyone, which doesn't even require knowledge of the franchise.
Whether you consider it a JRPG series with cute girls fighting ugly monsters, or weeb trash with underage-looking characters in skimpy outfits...which one of these threads is more disturbing: "who is your favourite Neptunia girl" or "which Neptunia girl would you like to f**k"? HINT: surely the 2nd
Definitely not blacklist bait, come at me if you want, it was bound to happen anyway, sooner or later :3

I know I'm touching the 3rd rail.

Everyone should ask themselves:

Which countries or occupied territories have the highest rates of child rape today? What do they have in common?

Which global organizations have the longest histories of covering up child rape? What do they have in common?

How can this be prevented?

Are you actively working to stop religious rape & exploitation of children or are you just a poseur?

( Community guidelines prohibit me from posting the answers because they are not Politically Correct. )

loli = little girl
shota = little boy

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Lolicon certainly doesn't mean you are a pedophile, but yes pedophiles are bad. I personally don't see anime characters (and those of the hentai sorts) as relating to humans, yes they resemble humans in a 2D way, but for some reason to me they may as well be an alien life form from a very different dimension that furthermore do not exist. An interest I have in an anime waifu/husbando does not reflect my interest in biological male and females.
To wrap this up, the media you consume and create doesn't make you the person that the media contains or assumes, and if happen to be that kind of person, it certainly is a healthier way of dealing with it rather than acting it out. (The exception being that the act is still happening to live beings even if you aren't the one directly participating i.e. actual child pornography).

But this is all been said by other users all ready, so feel free to scroll past now :)

shitpost on a whole new level? mmk

That's some fucked up shit for sure! And of course being a pedo makes you a BAD PERSON! why even ask that? Can't just people stick with regular porn/non-underaged? I mean, think of it! I can understand that it's some kind of sickness but for sure not tolerated. . .

If your definition of consumption is jerking of for a cartoon or searching on deviant art for nudity fan arts of a clearly underage character, than you have your verdict.

But I can't see pedophile moves on "whats your favourite charackter of neptunia re:birth" threads (I haven't played this, but little girls have a trend to be...cute/funny).

I do like lolis in anime, not in real life though. That would be weird.

Maybe making a distinction between what people fantasize about and what they actually do is worth making.
For example, incestual pornography doesn't mean someone has an oedipus complex or would (or would like to) fuck his/her family members.
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got on 5 new blacklists sence i started posting on the post from yesterday, cool with that though, we all have our opinions, personally, i wouldnt call people that are into lolis a pedophile for that alone, as many have stated, its the actions of the person themselves, hasnt anyone heard of rule34? guess the opinion of that site should be a whole new thread

Wow, such a tricky thread out of the blue. I will try.
I don't believe lolicon drives to pedophily but that it feeds on tendencies - wich may have a good benefit of redirecting these feelings toward fictional drawings, BUT it may also get in the way of recovery (i can explain); Both claims are guesses, informed ones but im not educated in any relevant field; Theres no revealing research on neither that im aware of.

On my view lolicon feeds those with tendencies; For those without tendencies its just like any variety of hentai.

Sexual imprinting and addictions such as porn have show that too much and long exposure to a kind of sexual pleasure changes expecations and can hinder real sexual relations- because the porn became so imprinted one only get off to the same level of what he became acostumed to. So, im guessing here, someone who only gets off to lolicon for too long may become so imprinted that no older woman will do it... he may choose partners who are only young looking or flat breasted... or worse.
Do i find it healthy?
No.
But i strongly believe it helps keeping some potential predators out of those acts so im all in for it- just a bad way to do it.
What society really needed was a change of nomenclature, perspective, treatment and legal action towards pedophiles; PROPER treatment instead of turning it in such a forbidden tought that those who can't shrug it off don't have where to find help.

I also believe (guessing again) there are levels of the condition; Those who can only feel something toward children and can't help fantasizing about it for real are around the end espectrum- the real danger, potential predators. In their case i do believe targeting then in someway makes sense because ive readed (one or 2 essays years ago, don't recall which) conditions like repression and forbidden only worsen such conditions to the point where the person becomes compeled to do it for real.

But what of those on lower levels of the condition? For gods sake, puting such a person in social jeopardy like a toxic person - and not treating the problem- is the freaking sure fire way of lettin then turn into predators.

One of the biggest problens i notice and pretty clear even here is treating pedophiles=predators.
I mean, i have a lust for women and a bunch of kinky fantasies and that doesn turn me into a rapist.

A predator on my view is someone who ditches moral gauge, laws, respect (and many more) into a selfish way of seeing the world that doesn't care, or worse enjoys, causing harm. They're not exclusively pedophiles (not even close, rape numbers are off the charts)... One needs to be a pedophile and predator to harm children...
Now, i recon theres a real danger, what i called potential predators- those who can barely support their condition; Without means of acting on their desires opportunity can tempt then into harming children. Wich is why i think society is going very wrong on how to treat pedophily because turning it into 'they're all rapists', 'they're simply evil' and such makes it impossible for those people to seek help and eliminate the danger.

TL;DR

Lolicon doesn't do harm by itself, doesn't really help either, may keep some potential predators out of predation- but not real predators lets face it.
Seeing and treating pedophiles=rapists and evil is part of the problem that turns potential predators into predators.

...NOW... the really bad about lolicon: SOME ARE HARMFULL. REALLY.
I don't know much lolicon so i don't know how many/how much fall into this category but...
...one thing is drawing young looking naked big eyed characters.

Another entirely are stories involving rape, incest and such; Things like brothers and sisters, teachers/students and such... precisely the scenarios and gaps where child abuse occur.
THOSE ARE HARMFULL NO MATTER HOW YOU PUT IT. I don't know of any research that proves or disproves it could 'turn' someone- this kind of research may even be impossible, pratically, to assest.
But come on.
Its obvious that for someone who already thinks, dreams or wish to cause such harm stories like that only reinforce those urges. For gods sake, im being soft here- its disgusting and sickening beyond belief, how the fuck (pardon the words) those are allowed to be created and sold is beyond me. Heck ive heard of mangas about touching/raping on subway where in japan girls being touched in subways is too much a real and frequent thing. I mean, wtf?

And since it obviously feeds all the wrong in those already on the wrong side, one can wonder if it doesn't instill, or inspire those who needed only a push.
So all in all i don't blame any scenario where lolicon as a whole is banned. Makes sense, its easier that way.

To be honest (I'm ready to get hate for what I'm going to say), I think that most (not all) of the animes are arousing sexual excitement to the people that watch them. That's because they usually have beautiful girls, with huge boobs, that are seeking their master and such. :P I don't like animes at all, but from the people that I have talked who like anime, they were always saying how sexy are the women in animes. Now, about the lolis, which you're saying that they're underage anime characters, well, there's a difference between liking a character and wanting to tap a character. :P I mean, just because you like a character, doesn't mean that character also sexually excites you. If an underage character sexually excites you though, then, in my opinion, that's sick and you should seek help, BUT it's not against the law to just have sexual thoughts for an underage anime character, since she's not even real. So, I wouldn't have hard feelings against a person that lolis sexually excite him, but I would just advise him to seek help. On the other hand, if he likes lolis (without sexual excitement), then it's not a bad thing - why would it be?

I don't care whether someone is into lolis. As long he/she leaves real children out of it what is the problem?

Should I feel bad for killing all those people in videogames? I mean, those where not real either.

I don't understand the whole loli shit, but it's not like it's exclusive to guys, and it doesn't inherently mean someone is a pedophile. Sure it may attract some sick puppies, but just about anything can and will. That being said, I think it's weird. As for if I think pedophiles are bad? To an extent yes. I'm not making excuses for them, I think the act of pedophilia is bad, but some people suffer from mental illness and need help. If they're capable of seeking help and refraining from hurting children, then I have no issue, but, if they hurt children, don't even get me started on what I'd do to them.