loli = pedophile = child abuse (of real children)?

do you believe, that everybody that consumes lolicon, is a pedophile

No

do you think a pedophile is automaticly a bad person?

Yes.

I'm not gonna pretend to understand what is happening in the heads of people that derive sexual pleasure from lolicon merchantise...

Depends on the youngness.

If you mean pedophile as someone who wants to fuck biologically immature children, then yes, it is even by biological standards something you can call deviant behaviour. (Funny enough, strictly speaking, homosexuality isn't though.)
If you mean someone who wants to fuck 13-16 year olds, then no, they are not "bad" pedophiles but potential conservative prime minister/president candidates.

I don't think every person who consumes "loli" stuff is a pedophile but they do have pedophilic tendencies. Is a pedophile a bad person? Well disciplining your kids is one thing but abusing them is another story.

16+ is alright anything below is wrong, but depends on how old you are if you are 18 then maybe 15 is understandable. That being said Idk why these visual novels portray certain characters you can have 'sex" with as 12 year old boys. Guess there is a fetish for everyone?

As far as manga and anime goes, there are some I've enjoyed with loli characters, and not all of those are work safe, like Lotte no Omocha! which I started watching. Liking those doesn't make me some kind of sicko (well, no more than I already was, I have 10000+ images in my favourites on a certain Booru site after all). Just because I'm okay with fictional characters don't mean I feel the same about real youngsters.

Now, paedophiles does feel interest in real children. However, not everyone acts on their interests. That is true of many fetishes. It is the act of someone actually doing something with those urges that is an issue. Some are more acceptable than others, but there is other stuff out there that is illegal in real life. Another is necrophilia. And there are a lot of others, both legal and not.

Now, related to lolicon media is something I do have trouble with, toddlercon. I'm sure you can guess what that is, and it is something I'd have a problem with even in fictional media. But like paedophiles, not everyone acts on it.

i don't even have a clue what "loli" means exactly. well, i can more or less imagine what it is now. didn't hear it before.

as a survivor of childhood abuse I'm not exactly unbiased on the topic. my instinct is to say that any paedophile is automatically an awful person (in fact calling them a person is a stretch, they're more like vermin) and should be shunned worse than a unicorn who doesn't believe in confectionery landforms
but I'm reminded of a conversation in Skyrim with a dragon who makes a point of asking "What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
if someone fantasises about children but never acts on that but instead resists those desires then I would have to admit that they're not actually an awful person, necessarily (they might still be awful for other reasons. for example they might be responsible for reality tv!)
in theory 'lolicon' could be a healthier way of satisfying their urges since it involves no actual children. whether it would actually help to resist the urges or encourage them is a far more complication question though and one that, I suspect, would have a different answer for different people

ultimately though, I wouldn't be comfortable around someone who admitted to liking 'lolicon', I would certainly not trust them around children (but if I had children of my own I am certain I'd be insanely paranoid of trusting them with anyone at all) and I would probably unconsciously be looking for reasons to hate them. I would try to remind myself though that they are not necessarily a bad person (in fact liking lolicon may not necessarily mean they fantasise about children anyway. perhaps they have a non-sexual liking for the art or perhaps they're only attracted to the cartoons and not real children anyway) and deserve the benefit of the doubt. were I a better person then perhaps I could even give it to them

Why is everybody assuming that anyone who likes lolis likes them in a sexual way? Am I missing something? It's a bit like saying that someone who states that little cats are sweet is zoophile. Do people who like lolis always state lolis make them horny etc? (Serious question - basically it's first time I even hear about lolis...)

Long story short .... everyone who compare the 2 is retarded .

Like srsly , there is massive difference about all the whole Loli waifu stuff , which is your favorite loli etc ...
Thats Fictional characters ... just like my profile picture .
The ppl who are ACTUALLY sexually atracted to that kinda stuff dont have the courage to go near real females , let alone abuse children .

Pedophiles on the other hand are fucking trash , they need to be put trough w/e they put a child trough x100 and then jailed for life .

I dont understand how can anyone compare the 2 in any way to be fair .

Like people who consume lolicon , what does that even mean ? People who watch animes with Underage characters and get on the fandom and add them to the wafiu list ?
I mean okay con fucking grats , everyone who likes Arya Stark is also a pedophile by that logic .

Pedophiles on the other hand are ppl who abuse other humans , and to make it worse its children .
As bad as it sounds , putting the fact that we are talking about children here , JUST abusing another human is illegal pretty much anywhere on the planet .

so srsly , can u jump down your highhorses , and beat a little bit of sense to your heads.
Just cause a portion of ppl on the internet ( mostly ) have that weird obsesion witth that 1 anime character , doesnt make them criminals .
and comparing them to trash , that abuses children is just fucking retarded

also clicking the blacklist button just cause i share a valid argument and not giving any response is pretty dumb ... thanks to all 9 of you ( so far ) for proving me right and bringing no real arguments in return .

Off to sleep , will see how this is going when i wake up

Its like saying, which breed of cats do u prefer?

If I think along the lines some of you do, I could say, everyone who loves cats are into bestiality. Well, cats are cute i guess, not for me but maybe for others lolis are too, which is why they like them. Humans need cuteness. without it, we destroy one another.

it's not against the rules

yeah, they keep saying that.

As far as I'm concerned, any pedophile who acts on his/her urges should have their genitalia removed and fed to dogs while they witness it.

IMO this is pretty much quite similar to the "Videogames make people violent" topic. If someone enjoys killing people in videogames, does that make them or will that transform them into a murderer? Will anything virtual/fictional influence someone into reality? In most cases it wouldn't, the media is already filled with violence, sex and and ads that might lead to any sorts of unhealthy habits, but there will always be that small percent of people who are influenced really easily by anything or just already had certain tendencies before and by chance were involved in such activities ("x school shooter was also playing cod in his free time" using the cod as a scape goat), so they could be used like a MacGuffin for people supporting the premise that these fictional mediums are indeed to be blamed. So short answer, no, I do not think everyone that consumes lolicon is a pedophile.

Will consuming lolicon transform you into a pedophile? Neah, usually becoming anything involves certain (traumatic) factors in someone's past (youth) to lead him/her to do certain things, so I don't think it will be enough to consume some media, just like killing and stealing in gta won't make you a murderer/thief, (unless you are a kid with irresponsible parents that did not manage to educate properly and explain the difference between reality and fiction, good and bad, right and wrong), I've read some studies that suggest it might actually help decrease the criminality/sexual assault rate in countries where such things aren't banned.

Is a pedophile automatically a bad person? Probably, in most cases he/she'd be seen as a bad person. The definition of bad can be quite wide, but, I guess if someone with such tendencies has self-control and refrains himself from doing anything bad, feels a bit unfair to label him/her as bad. I will have to go on the presumption of innocence.

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This thread feels as safe as walking through a minefield blindfolded, but I'll try for the heck of it.
To try to answer the questions: I don't think that everyone that's into lolicon is a pedophile. I do believe that pedophiles are bad people. And I don't feel capable of guessing (lack of knowledge) if a fixation on lolis can lead to actual pedophilia, but it sounds to me like it's too much of a stretch.
Liking lolis for the cute factor is ok for me, but liking them in an erotic way is a bit of a worring fetish. That said I don't think that it's fair to compare erotica (a peculiar one I must admit) to real child pornography, or worse, sexual abuse of minors. Pedos should be treated and if possible kept in an asylum, they shouldn't run around freely, they're too dangerous.
So yeah, mixing the two doesn't seem reasonable to me.
Now if you excuse me, I'll dodge-roll out of the incoming shit-storm cos I like my sanity to be somehow stable.

The term "loli" has been contorced during the time like many other words, right now is mainly used for a girl with a petite body not just for "little girls".
To be pointed that a person that likes these "loli doujins" and such, doesn't necessarily like real little girls in a sexual way because there's a difference between fiction and reality and way to many people out there seems to ignore this point.
Following that logic, everyone that plays games like GTA is a gangster, who plays Hitman loves killing peole and so on.
Loli lovers =/= pedos and putting fiction and reality on the same plane is wrong and stupid.

what about all the cases of like 14 year old boys who have sex with their teachers and shit? Isn't that technically pedophilia? Yet for some reason society as a whole doesn't recognize that a male child can be a victim so long as the assailant is female.

Liberals like to talk about 'you shouldn't call a baby him or her, you should call the baby 'babyself' until they are old enough to determine their gender identity'..... so maybe the child that was having sex with his/her teacher did not identify as a minor and identified as someone 18 years old. This is the exact issue of liberalism and mental health issues.... your ability to defy genetics and biology and make your own decision as to your gender which may contradict with FACTS, is the exact same thing as having the ability to defy genetics and biology and make your own decision as to your age.

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Well that's one of the reasons I don't like anime at all, even in animes which doesn't even have young characters at all. In my opinion loli is like the baby steps of pedophilia you start with that and as time pass your passion about underage humans grows and you want to actually experience such passion with a human.

Well, this is quite a difficult question. Of course, consuming any kind of hentai (futa, incest, yuri, tentacles, loli or whatever else) doesn't make you inherently a bad person just like playing violent videogames or watching violent movies don't make you a violent person. I'm sure pretty much everyone has fantasized about something that is illegal or immoral at least once, so as long as fantasies remain in the fantasy realm, there's nothing to worry about.

Pedophiles (and whoever has some kind of fetish that cannot be put in practice legally, as in rape or necrophily), as long as they don't act on these urges, might not be bad people as well. It is not their fault if they feel what they feel, and if they control themselves and seek help, I can't consider them evil criminals. Of course, harming children in any way (as well as consuming real-life child pornography) is definitely a serious crime that must be taken seriously and such people should by any means be prevented from ever getting close to a child.

In the end, one's actions define who one is, and it's upon his actions that one should be judged.

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I'll answer to the question with another question: does playing violent games like GTA make you a psychopathic murderer and/or a burglar?
No need to answer, I know what you're thinking: it doesn't, as long as you're able to discern fiction from reality.
That said, real life pedophilia is surely NOT a nice thing, but saying that someone might become a pedophile if they like media with possibly underage characters, is the same as saying that every GTA player is a sick mass-murdering psychopath.

So if I like video games I'm a murderer?

So if I like girl on girl that means I'm a raging lesbian?

I walk into a bar and a guy is cheering at a match, is he a footballer?

I find loli cute and funny! Guess I better find a 50 year old man!^^