What's wrong with the contributor system and how we could change it

The mods never said the Humble Weekly Sale game would not be added.

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for sure system should be changed.
this is sit.

it should be:
easy
not based on cash
based on fun that our giveaways giving

"It's hidden from new users. Nowhere on the "create a giveaway" page is there a clear explanation of what the bundle system actually is"

There is a goddamn FAQ, if you don't want to read it is your fault.

too much to read but i hate the new bundle system, i went from $179 contributor value to $53... never again will i gift on this site because what the hell is the point? Why would I go and spend $20 when i get get a key for $1, thats why i giveaway, it's cheap? I did read the part where you said people should be happy to gift, and i agree, why punish peoples contributor value, their giving a game away for free...that they paid money for.

I hope some of the mods and critics of me take some time to read this and tell me what's wrong with the suggestions, or start thinking about implementing them

Rest assured that while we don't always comment on the countless suggestions on how to "fix" the system, we do read them, and are constantly discussing what will be best for the site in the future.

I personally do not care much for the new bundle system. Regardless if it leaves or comes back it doesn't matter, I'm surprised how upset some people are with losing their value on things. The only people complaining are the people who:

1. Don't read the FAQ
2. Trying to abuse the contributor system by buying a game for $1 $5 when they cost $20 $40

It's a good system, but people are too selfish and greedy.

Personally, I like VVVVVV and I've thought about giving it away, but if I don't receive any contributor value for it, why should I bother going through SG?

This echoes my thought about the system. It's not that I need to get something out of everything - I have games from old HBs sitting on my steam account that I never have, nor ever will touch. Games like these could easily be dropped here and I'd be just as happy.

But when other sites offer something for the GA (even if something small like points), what is my incentive to drop it here? Better community? Pretty much everybody who joins a GA doesn't even take the time to drop a "Thanks" - so that's out. Because I've gotten something from the site? Sure, but I've already given away almost three times as many games as I've received here. The other site I use has more "claim" to my games by that metric. So why then should I send off my unused keys here over any other site?

TL;DR:
Incentives matter. This is a basic principle of economics - people will be more likely to do things in a way that benefits them.

I lost $48 of contribution, and I have one thing to say about it.

Meh. Its just a bloody number. If I care, I can give away other stuff and get it back.

how would you know what's wrong with the system if you're only leeching here,dude?

I quite like the system the way it is. I do believe however that if you can prove that your game was not from a bundle (perhaps as a giftable copy) you should get the full amount as very few people using codes have paid the full price for a game.

I do also believe that the FAQ and the Bundle clause needs to be highlighted better, either on sign up or when creating a giveaway for a bundle game. However, i do find most complaints seem to be from people who think that spending $3 on a bundle means they should get the full contributor value. My Contrib value is about $270, and theres no way ive spent anywhere near that. perhaps $30 + games from bundles i bought regardless of whether i'd give them away here or not.

Overall, id say choke it up.

´´ " If you want to find it, you have to find the FAQ, which is on the very bottom of the site ". ´´
This is not just me but when I usually join or create an account on some game ,website, or join groups, etc, the first thing I try to do is look for is the FAQ or terms and uses or rules, you were just to lazy to search for it so better luck next time :x

I personally really like someone else's idea of drastically decreasing the CV received per copy of the same game you create a ga for.
For instance, skyrim: first copy 40 cv, second copy 15, third copy 5.
This way people will still create GA's for really good games, but not to exploit it.
This would mean that we wouldn't need a constantly updated bundle games list anymore, people won't be acting all high and mighty judging the games people are giving away and the overall quality of games offered would drastically improve. (seeing as how people judge games not on their quality, but on the fact that it's a bundle/non-bundle game)
Another option: just lose the CV, it's way to much trouble for something that doesn't work properly.

Just want to point out one thing:
You say "you have to find the FAQ, which is on the very bottom of the site (a place that may not be discovered if you're using SG+ like a lot of people". But to get to SG+ you need to go right past a page with "FAQ" at the very top of it. Furthermore, even if you have SG+ (as I do), it's not difficult to find the FAQ. You just open the forum, either from the link at the top, or by typing in the URL. The FAQ is the FIRST thing that comes up. So don't ever say it's difficult to find...

One think i find really sad with this system is than anyone giving away a bundle game or one with high discount is immediatly tagged as CV farming. I'm pretty sure it discourage some people to give because they don't want to look bad.

Why not remove the dollars on everyone's account? Just make it based on how popular the giveaway is. Everyone can join and the giveaway enter fee is based on demand. The more popular the giveaway, the more points it will cost to enter. This will also fix problems like having several thousands of people entering a giveaway. I say whatever contributor value is given to people on this site right now should be fairly converted to a point total which would for now on mean how many people entered their giveaways. It is unfair to put a price on some of these games. Saints Row: The Third, Killing Floor, etc..? These are GREAT games. They don't deserve to be black listed. What the problem is the massive flooding of these titles. People don't want them to disappear completely. If you made it so there is a supply and demand type system, people would be discouraged to enter it because other people would of entered another giveaway instead. This is just my opinion. I think my suggestion has promise and should be considered enough to where they perfect the idea. Some games are simply not worth $60 while others are worth so much more points than they are.

I also wish to point out we do have a list here of games that are on the most wishlists... shouldn't that somehow give the contributor a bonus of some sort?

It's fine as it is at least for me. As cg mentioned before while implenting this, this is a way to thanks to contributors, and I agree. Wanna join giveaways with higher chances to win (less entries)? Contribute more.

If you're giving away games for CV, you're in the wrong mindset.

It does make me sad, a little, that my CV was reduced.

I'm currently unemployed and give as much as humanly possible on my very limited budget, most of that being things like Bundle games. The only time I have a problem is when I'm called a leecher because my CV is under $100. Then it went to over $100 dollars and then dropped down to $58 when the weekly bundles were added.

I agree with several points that have been brought up. I understand that people need an incentive to give, most of the the time. It's human nature and people want to be rewarded for things like their donations to this site. But, on the flip side, why am I judged by my $58 CV, ignoring the fact that I've done giveaways on the forums for no CV, I'm active on both the forums and chat, and think that I generally add something to SG other than my measly $58 CV.

YOU

ARE

ABSOLUTELY

RIGHT. DrSpychology

We need more people like you. Who can "talk" in this situations. Especially this is the weirdest part :"The mods came out and said that the Humble Weekly Sale will not be added to the bundle list. Now they have changed their mind and a lot of people are losing contributor value retroactivly."

EXACTLY

DrSpychology, I completely agree with you, the arguments are awesome. One can only hope that the mods will give a damn about us poorer folk 'round here who still want to make a giveaway even though their finances are low

Every game ends up in a bundle eventually so the contributor value shuffling is a bit weird and i wasn't all that pleased the other day when i made a giveaway of a game as a steamgift bought on steam and got no value because the game was in some bundle or another before even though it was just toki tori so the value difference is barely noticable, but still.

There's no point in giving spare keys here because people just end up like they gave nothing away.

The contributor value should be a fixed amount at the moment the winner marks it as received (point of time).
Even if it's getting "downgraded" to a bundle game the value should stay.

Marked as received before Downgrade -> Standard value; Marked as received after Downgrade -> Bundle value

"The early bird catches the worm"!

But punishing people afterwards is just ridiculous...

I've seen someone that payed for 10$ in these sales, yet now they'll only receive 30$ contributor value

Oh noooooo, they're only getting three times the amount they spent on CV.

And I say this as someone who lost ~$50 CV to that decision (which I'd earned from giving away extra keys I happened to have), but come on. Ideally CV is supposed to map somewhat rationally to actual value given away, dollar-for-dollar. It's never going to because there's no perfect measure of value in a world where prices change all the time even before you factor in sales, but I don't think it's that much of a surprise to have games that cost $1 not give you $50 in CV.

Don't worry about CV that much. It's just a number. The fact is that most of the giveaways with a CV limit don't give you much better odds until you get into the $1000 range, and if they hadn't made this change and kept letting people get $50 CV for $1, the $1000 range would eventually have so many people in it that it'd have become meaningless, too. The only way CV giveaways can be a meaningful reward is at the level where few people manage to reach.

Anyway, there are a few things I'd tweak about it, but it's ultimately fine.