Should I keep on reviewing games?
So much trash nowadays, people take them only for get cards. Cares about bad games in your collection it so important? Steam looks better with hidden them.
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Yeah, sometimes it's a shame that they are in your library and can't recommend from your friends
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I didn't realized the recommendations. Damn, I will have to hide them because it is really embarrassing. 😳
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Whether the game is bad or not is irrelevant - it's a product someone purchased, it should not be made less valuable in any way on a whim.
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I think you're better off with Valve's support than waiting anything useful to come from a random forum :)
(Short opinion: lost a dozen or two games. My SG is not affected, I don't really care about it)
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What's the point of buying games if they'll end up discarded daily by the Steam API?
To play them.
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It'll continue until Valve decides to disable the counter altogether.
And It never was accurate anyway, since in enough cases it counts a pack of games as only 1 (due to counting license keys), so....
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What's the point of buying games if they'll end up discarded daily by the Steam API?
The point of buying games is because you actually enjoy playing those games. o_O If you're buying them for any other reason, outside of gifting to a friend/relative, then that's a personal problem. And not a Steam consumer problem.
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This confirms that Steam is not reliable from a collector perspective. It's like letting a random guy enter your room, take some games from your shelf, and hide them under the bed.
- Why do you have those games on display?? Doesn't matter. They're yours.
Or more accurately. They are not. Because valve remind us that they are like a renting platform. A renting business without (maybe) expiring date. They can decide anything they want. If they want to change things even more in the future, they'll do it. They can start charging monthly fees, OR you'll not have #newfeaturenumber10, they can delete old games, or not longer support them... I don't know. I don't want to yell to a cloud, this saddens me a lot.
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I fully agree. There is no point in buying games on Steam, if you're renting them. As for the users above, play what? Something I don't own and which isn't even registering my activity within it?
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Shoot that's what I do. I've played a lot of games that were when I didn't have online connections so the countless hours I poured into the Xcom EU is lost as well as my many runs in Binding of Isaac and a few other games, but I still play them. I mean as popocho says (which I thought was obvious) we are just renting the games so if you aren't interested GOG is a great thing as well as Humble Bundle (I have a ton of games that I can still have on HB and GoG thankfully) since they offer actual ownership (to an extent as well) and they are fun, but to me if you are only getting games for +1 or just to rack up playtime on the game than what's the point. I've put quite a bit of time into many a game and while that is a nice little thing I wouldn't care if they decided to stop showing how long you played certain games on your library and only showed it for review purposes. I personally am happy Steam is doing that since the +1 or the cards were the main reasons some people even got certain games to begin with (like the greenlight games that offered keys in exchange for votes or Digital Homicide's asset flipping card farms) so to me the fact that they can dissuade bundle trash or shit like that from affecting the +1 and the card market is great to me since that means the more they crack down on shit like this the better the quality will be for the platform and all Steam needs now is some ACTUAL good competition to keep them in check.
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points out that technically you are able to own DRM-free games bought on GOG, Humble Store, GamersGate, and Win/Mac Game Store
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If you don't play the games, why the hell would you buy them? And you're not obligated to be on steam. WIth some games, they are absolute garbage and it's a good thing they're getting rid of them. With some others, it's probably a licensing issue and there's nothing steam can do about that anyway.
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Having a digital counter go up is not a collection. It's not something physical you can showcase and admire, it's not something that you can show real people in real life and cause their admiration or interest, it is not a hobby that requires skill, it is just a number on a webpage. You might as well write a script with an integer that goes +1 every 30s and sit there and watch it.
I fear that one day the crippling realization will dawn on all "collectors" that they have wasted all their money but most importantly their time, pursuing a pointless and worthless goal. Ten years from now when valve goes bankrupt or you hit that point in your life when you evaluate your past you are gonna be thinking "why was I wasting all these hours of my life on steamtrades and barter and bundle sites buying shit that don't even interest me". What's the point, you'll never complete it anyway and once you inevitably lose interest it will all have been for nothing.
It's not too late to face this addiction. Valve gave everybody a window of opportunity here, a chance to break free from the vicious circle of trying to constantly increase their game count. That loss of motivation, that feeling of betrayal and efforts being wasted is just a glimpse of the inescapable conclusion that this "hobby" will descend into. It's time to stop and seek a more productive occupation. You can do it if you really want it.
Papa Bless.
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You're right on most counts, but I disagree that a collection would have to be something physical. For instance, I collect screenshots of videogame traffic cones, and I very much consider that a collection. ;-)
What matters is the collector's approach to the stuff they collect. One person may collect grains of sand, catalogue them, may be able to tell one from another, know their different kinds and how they are formed... and another person might just have a bucket of sand in their backyard. The latter might even own more individual grains, but only the first person has a collection. :-)
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It's not something physical you can showcase and admire, it's not something that you can show real people in real life and cause their admiration or interest, it is not a hobby that requires skill, it is just a number on a webpage.
Personally, I never collected (both physical and Steam) for the sake of others. When I collected coins, most were in storage while I had a few pieces on display in my bedroom. For myself, the fun of collecting is similar to that of achievement hunting (which I also did off Steam for years): The wanting to own a complete set of X at doing so at the most efficient way, as well as learning as much as possible about said set.
Granted, there can be 0 skill in the matter if you happen to have >$30k to burn on a yearly basis and buy everything on launch, but very few collectors are privy to such a life. Since I am not fortunate enough to be a heir of a family fortune, I learned to be resourceful. I try to learn as much as about these games as possible, so that I can use it my advantage.
I know that Daedelic tend to bundle their games within 18 months after launch and that The Castle Doctrine will never go on sale since the developer thinks they do more harm than good. I also know that Ben 10 Game Generator 5D cannot be sold in US/Canada since Cartoon Network is split up regionally and CN-NA refuses to allow it to happen and that even though NBA 2K10 is no longer listed on Steam, you can still buy it via opensub since the publisher did not remove it properly. You can also still buy Fast and Furious if you happen to be in the EU or NZ for some reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The fun for me was never just buying +1s. It was learning every little quirk to be found in the sea of games on Steam.
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I agree with you. And what's the point of being a collector if you don't know anything about the thing you are collecting. What value will you get from it? I don't think mere +1 gives the excitement or sense of achievement. It would be just "Oh look I've X number of games in my library" nothing more. Showoff to say. At least know about your games, play a little so that you can enjoy talking about something about it more than "I have this or I don't have this".
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Very well written. This was my thought when realize i was reaching 1000 games. I mean i don't have time to play them which is why i pay for them. Then i stop buying games if i won't play within a month or entering giveaways here counts like that too I need to focus what's on my hand.
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Hi, my name is Tzaar, and I'm a recovering addict. Hi, Tzaar
My drugs of choice -- I used to mainline bundle games, and snort Steam sales.
Speaking as a former "collector" myself (got that monkey off my back about 6 months ago), you speak the truth.
It's liberating being free from it.
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Not all collections are for show. Many are for your personal satisfaction. It's all subjective. Just because you think it's not a legitemate way to be a collector doesn't mean you're 100% right.
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Most people summed up things pretty well but I'll reply here so that I won't repeat myself to everyone.
I think it is a fair point that a collection doesn't have to necessarily be a physical thing, or something that you do for others. And if you are getting some sort of enjoyment out of it and it has a meaning to you then fair enough. Here is the question though. Are you really enjoying it or are you fooling yourself ?
A proper collection needs to be cherished. Every piece of it has its own background, its own history and significance or emotional value for its owner. The need to collect begins with a genuine interest about a subject matter, and even though I understand that a big collection is a source of pride for its owner, size shouldn't be the main purpose behind it. So if you have some games that genuinely bring you joy and excitement and satisfy a specific taste and interest that you have in the industry then sure, you are a collector. But if you are scourging Bundlestars to get the new Digital Homicide 20 games for 1$ bundle like some people did in the wake of these changes to increase their counter as soon as possible just for the sake of it, you are not a collector. You are a hoarder. You are not bringing delicate and unique items to showcase in your living room, you are filling your garage with random garbage that you found on the street and impulsively brought in. You are not a wine taster, you are an alcoholic. It is the same psychological mind trick that companies use to hook players into grinding to level up or collecting cards/items etc. You think you enjoy it but in reality your brain just wants to see that extra +1 to get its temporary fix.
So if you are someone who earns something out of this process and feels that even if this whole thing disappeared tomorrow it would still have been worth it just for the experience then by all means go on. But if you are just hoarding stuff and when you ask yourself "Why?" you can't come up with a meaningful answer, then I think it is time to take a break.
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If you have a feature, there is a creative way to use it. What if steam removes the emoticons? It's not the end of the world, but I know that several people uses them in really creative ways. Same with any other feature. Damn, I though that the sticker nonsense was crap, but a lot of people made some hilarious stuff.
The point is. It's not just a gaming thing. Gaming is a big part of it, but it's also a social platform. If Facebook decide to hide anything from your profile, you'll be upset. But again. They can do it. We can only talk with our money.
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Social platform so having less numbers owned hurts you? Also, the facebook example is a stupid strawman arguement because removing game count is not equal to emoticons what would be a feature. And your facebook example is not against numbers, it's about features ; you're not arguing against the decrease of games owned number, you're arguing about emoticons <--- definition of strawman arguement.
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Owned games are linked to steam status. It has a real impact on users. If you were a recent level 3 user, with this change you returned to level 2 and can't get trading cards from the sales. I know they are small annoyances, but lately steam is full of small (and not so small. And really big too) annoyances.
The question is. How long until we all get tired of this business nonsense?
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Afaik, they are removing garbage from scam "devs" that never should have been there to begin with.
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You can still play it. It's a worse than wanting to build a beautiful display case to show off a console shovelware collection to everyone that enters your home. Even I have Ninjabread Man for Wii as a lark because it was a buck, but I don't have it framed on the wall above the mantle.
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This does not only hit crap.
It also hits good games, that were removed from the store for different reasons.
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I am not familiar with the titles. I noticed I failed an SGTools check a couple days ago because of this issue. The games mentioned were some freeware card money scam games. I presumed all of the ones getting deleted were.
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No games get removed for various reasons.
Including but not limited to expiring licenses (music,etc.), changed publisher, publisher request (newer version releases, etc.).
Only a minority of cases are removed by steam itself for cutting buissness with the developer.
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We are talking abotu the latter, not the former, games being removed from the API.
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Battlefield 2, Driver San Francisco, Afterfall Insanity (mediocre, but overall interesting game). Among many others I can't tell you off the top of my head.
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I used to have like 730+ games now i have 702 ^^ My total count is going down and i am a fews steps back now from getting the 1000 games badge :)
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Yeah, op sounds like he bought garbage games from banned devs ...why don't you complain about the devs being shitty to get themselves banned? I'm glad these cash grab games are removed. If anything, they should remove more, especially asset flips.
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This does not only hit crap.
It also hits good games, that were removed from the store for different reasons.
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That's your opinion and I respect it. Just don't assume I didn't pay for the large majority of what I have lost or still "own" on Steam.
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trash is trash, better gone than be there for people buy shit games.
this days a lot of shit games are here whit the excuse of "indie" game, people just want money fast and make mediocre games for win money.
so thx steam for remove shit games from the shop.
We need to stop that avalanche of shit games that only make damage to the PC community.
you can make a simple game and not be mediocre and still can be "indie" game, but please stop making totally trash games whit the only objective of make money and not consider the people and how fun it's your game.
we have a lot of good indie games (originals etc.... that are worth more than the actual price)
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It looks like Valve is continuing what it started yesterday but to a lesser extent (For me it's 75 yesterday and 6 today). :O
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I hope I'm not unpolite if I ask why games are collected when not played. I don't understand why a high game count number should be more important than the games themself.
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I hope I'm not unpolite if I ask why you assume games are collected when not played. No one said, well at least not OP, that high game count number is more important than the games themselves. He just said that it is of importance to him :P
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I'm not the person you were asking this question, but obviously I had similar thoughts in my mind like Sauerkrautbaum. And this was because OP asked: " What's the point of buying games if they'll end up discarded daily by the Steam API?"
To play them maybe??? What's the point of buying games if not playing them? And you are still able to play all those games, aren't you? Personally I wouldn't have even noticed something was going on if not for the current uproar over here and I'm not even able to tell you if my game count decreased or not, since I give 0 value to it and I honestly don't know. All that matters to me is that I am able to play the games in my library, is all.
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That doesn't really explain why one would assume that the games are not going to be played. I understand that some need to express confusion or even distaste about collecting habits but it feels unnecessary to assume things just to bolster one's own subjective standpoint on the matter.
I wouldn't have noticed the decrease either and it doesn't bother me but I can easily understand that it does bother other people depending on their different experiences and values :)
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I feel you got me wrong. I was not expressing confusion or disgust over other people's habits, namely OP's, only the question they asked which I mentioned in my post felt weird, since the answer seems obvious to me, as I have already pointed out.
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I imagine it's hyperbole from being somewhat upset and he's aware of the purpose of games. I was speaking generally of confusion and distaste and it probably sounds worse than it is, or at least how I meant it. Collecting stuff is ingrained in humans and I think most of the reactions against it are actually a bit of overreach with logically resisting this urge :)
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Depends on the collector really. For myself, a part of it is habitual (I buy for the sake of buying), and since most of these games are acquired on the "cheap" (e.g. bundles), I don't think too much about it. Other times, I pick up titles that I deem to be hidden gems, such as these 3 here: 1, 2, 3 because I feel they need some more love than they are getting. There is also the rarity factor and finally the "OMG I GOT THIS STUPID CHEAP, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!!!!" factor to consider :p.
All in all, collecting depends on the person who is doing the collecting.
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You! Stop that bragging! ;)
Edit: Damn it, I just assumed you were showing off your removed games before actually checking the links. Silly me! Still stop bragging about Solitarica, I was pondering getting the bundle on sale but decided against it on a whim. Got it wishlisted now, thanks to you :)
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Damn it, I just assumed you were showing off your removed games before actually checking the links. Silly me!
You silly billy :p.
Solitarica is a great game, so I'm happy to see that you have it wishlisted :D.
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" why games are collected when not played"
They're both.
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Well. I get ONLY the games I actually play.. Yeah, Ive gotten free stuff and some leftovers from bundles that just sit in my library. But mostly I dont spend money on anything I know Im no gonna play.
Ill be frank here, this is unpopular opinion probably, but I think buying games for steam in itself is stupid. You dont get anything physical. And numbers in a software mean nothing. I repeat - NOTHING. I am guilty of buying games of course. Because I love the idea of having them in one place, and have it legally.
As for steam and this problem, as others have laready mentioned - there are valid reasons why games vanish. But as long as steam doesnt turn tables on us and we can actually play games we have paid for (I mean in general, not the ones that are removed), I dont really have a problem. I would be furious if, after the amount people spend on steam and games general, they would just discontinue steam and users wouldnt be able to play anything in their library.
But I doubt steam would ever stop existing. Maybe the store would close, but users probably would have a chance to still use their accounts and play games . But that would be the most horrible marketing decision EVER. Theres got to be a horrible twist to it for steam to go down (if that happens in the future). Well I hope not. Because that would be a kick in the balls for everyone who has spent any amount on steam.
Edit : I think Ive lost several games, too. About 9. No loss there for me. Couldnt care less.
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I agree. I used to be a console gamer and it was so nice to physically own what you buy. I switched to PC for numerous reasons, but it's still a weird concept to me that people collect games that they don't want to play. No hate to game collectors of course
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Curious you say this while using an image of Ghost Recon Phantoms... a game that I played more than 1000 hours until being removed from Steam
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sorry, but I havent played that game. When choosing the pic, I just chose something from the ones steam offered me.
But, I get the irony.
Altough - As I understand, that game was F2P ? As much as I understand personal affection to a game youve played so much, its not that they removed a game you payed 40 - 60 bucks, which was my point about.
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Yes, it's F2P, and was removed by ubisoft, after a massive sale of premium $$$ packages, shut down the servers and removed the game, good move ubi$oft.
Anyway, I prefer a game in my account that I can't play anymore that someone take it off from my library
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It is rather annoying and there is good reason to believe that this change may become retro-active. That all removed games will become "invisible" via Steam API.
There is an upside to this though. This will cause the value of the more expensive removed games to drop a bit since a big part of the appeal for removed collectors is to show off their rarest games. Maybe I can finally own Wofenstein without selling my first born child. I know I can buy a console version for <20$ but don't bring logic into this. It hurts my brain ;-;.
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I just lost 3 more games this morning. In the past two days, there have been 47 titles which vanished from my total game count. I know that they're still in the library, but they've been rendered completely useless from a collector's perspective. In fact, I'm not even certain that it's worth "collecting" removed Steam games at this point since they are as valuable now, as demos (no option to feature the game's activity on your profile).
I am seriously losing my motivation to further support Steam through my presence (time+money) and writings. Seems like a complete waste of resources, since Valve doesn't seem to care about its customers at all. What's the point of buying games if they'll end up discarded daily by the Steam API? Please offer me your opinion and share your own Steam losses from recent days.
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