Bullshit?
What games could you find in the Winter Mystery Bundle | Fanatical
https://www.fanatical.com/ja/blog/what-grade-a-games-could-you-find-in-the-winter-mystery-bundle
Is the latest version here?
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I don't know if that contains everything or just some games because
"If you purchase 1-10 keys from the Winter Mystery Bundle , you could find some of the following games among many others:"
If you're asking if this is the latest mystery bundle, then yes.
If you're asking anything else, idk what that else is
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Well, it's the one that has been written in mysteryBundle of the past, everyone will not come out! The ones that had been won are winning ...
Packed in a GA box.
(I don't know the proportion).
If you buy for yourself, there are a lot of games on the list that you don't have.
When buying for others, when there are a lot of good games on the list.
other than that? It is better to look at the situation.
this time?
I don't buy it. I enjoyed the Flash sale.( 'Θ`)ooO(💰)
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dont buy them, dont care.
Gambling is for fools...
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My favorite part:
Do Mystery Bundles really contain AAA titles?
Yes, we even buy the Mystery Bundles ourselves to see what we’ll get!
Come on, Fanatical. I know you think we're dumb, but this is too much.
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I still like Fanatical, every 3rd or 4th bundle is great.
I will even admit that the mystery bundles are good for a certain audience. If you're just starting out on Steam, or starting out as a PC gamer in general, it might make sense to buy a few Mystery Bundles. The games are only repeats if you've already got them, after all.
What I dislike is the marketing behind the Mystery Bundles. It's misleading at best, and blatantly false in some cases.
Whether something is worth buying can often be determined by looking at how hard the seller is working to convince you to buy it.
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Maybe that's why the mystery bundle is always in the top sellers, it's because all the sales are from unwilling employees! It all makes sense!
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There's also:
Are Mystery Bundles full of stock we want to get rid of?
No way! When a Mystery Bundle starts out in life, it is carefully curated by our expert team who only use the best handpicked titles that are bespoke to each bundle recipe.
carefully curated and handpicked, funniest thing I've read lately :D
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There is NO gambling involved, for the Magnificent Mystery Machine alone, you are guaranteed to receive at least $15 worth of games with a 10-game pack worth $6.99. On top of that, we also run competitions with each Mystery Bundle to give you an opportunity to get your hands on even more!
xD
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When they say "$15 worth of games", which price are they using: The base price or the typical sale price at the time of the bundle ?
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There is NO gambling involved, for the Magnificent Mystery Machine alone, you are guaranteed to receive at least $15 worth of games with a 10-game pack worth $6.99. <-- don't want to sound dumb, but isn't it gambling as soon as you use money for a chance to win something? Maybe that's not the best description I just used but you get what I mean, I hope!?
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Not the complete desc, but it gets the point across. And yes, it's gambling because one of the definitions is if you're taking risky action for a potential favored result, which this is. You also have no idea what you're getting other then A: you will get something and B: it will be a steam game. This article really annoys me.
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Yes, I wasn't sure how to describe it, you did it WAY better! So yes, obviously an article about themselves is useless, they would never say it's bad or doesn't work, so why even bother?
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It would be gambling if you could just lose your money and get nothing in return. Now you're buying a mystery product instead.
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It's a bit double, considered you pay money and don't know what you will get can be seen as gambling already but some sources say technically it's not real gambling, but if I pay €5 and no clue if I get €1 or €10 for it, I see that as a gamble.
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Well, what they say is that it's not gambling because you always "win", like if you pay 5 you get at least 10, but the fact that you have chances to get 500 is kinda making it gambling to me. If the result would always be the same then it may be considered not gambling, but when you're betting for a lucky chance with real money, then it's hard not to think about gambling.
Already owned games could be seen as a reduced value, making it look like the chances are as you described, so it's again subjective, as subjective as the definition of gambling which can be dual: one is the legal definition (varying from nation to nation), and one is the subjective one, our personal opinion. I guess their definition is the legal one.
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There are multiple legal definitions for gambling and this fits at least one of them
"In the Gambling Act 2005 gambling is defined as betting, gaming or participating in a lottery. That definition distinguishes between activities which need to be licensed and other activities which do not. "
UK def since Fanatical is from UK, but the US def also covers this as a form of gambling
"A person engages in gambling if he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he or someone else will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome."
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The (full) definition must be something really arguable then, in legal terms, because there's many games (f2p or not) that contains some form of gambling. There was some article covering the issue, though I don't remember on which site, which also pointed out some attention about the growing situation by some governmental institution. Still, those games and these bundles are being sold, so I wonder how well these laws were written, and if they need an update to include modern gambling methods.
Consider that extrapolating a single sentence from a law is not an evidence. They usually includes various appendices and other paragraphs that either adds or subtracts from the main definition, excluding or including something specific depending on various factors (even corruption), so it's usually not possible to judge by the main definition (at least in legal terms).
To be clear, I'm against gambling, but it seems that the legislation is very ambiguous at best, so sometimes it's hard to point fingers. In my country, for example, Casinos are illegal, but we have state lottery, scratch and win, sports betting, poker machines, and who knows what else, which is kinda stupid because they're basically the same thing.
It is a completely different matter if we talk about morality, though.
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It is really arguable, I just roll with all the accepted definitions being right
I did read the other stuff but I couldn't find anything that would resolve these mystery bundles not being some form of gambling, especially since some of that is stating what forms are legal or not, not whether or not they were gambling
Morality is a completely different matter, so yeah.
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Depends on which definition of gambling you go by. Fanatical has chosen one where theirs are not counted as gambling.
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They just seem to confuse gambling with auctions. So it's not gambling since you "only" get to spend 6.99 and get at least 15 bucks worth of games.
The reality is it is targeting gambling addicts by keeping the bundles random and mysterious. It wouldn't be gambling if you can only buy one mysterious bundle. But people are going to keep clicking every time they don't win something good... and spend hundreds to get trash..
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Well yes, that's the whole idea about it, it's obvious enough they just do it for the gambling and the people that can't hold back and keep going, else they would already have stated what the odds are and what games are even in the bundles and what not, they keep as much of it as a secret as possible to tempt people to buy more and more and more :(
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And they obviously think we're morons. I mean it's one thing to do it but taking up a whole page of BS just to justify it like it's totally ok? Come on. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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Haha yes, I think that is even the saddest part, as if we are all total morons XD
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I still love fanatical bundles (not the mistery ones), but that article distinctly reminds me of G2A's posts, in all the wrong ways.
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LMAO, they are that desperate? Some of the lamest excuses trying to defend Mystery Crap
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Obviously they're getting flak from various places ,this is not the first time they've tried to explain themselves in regards to these bundles. .
"Why do we run Mystery Bundles?"
If they said "For the money!!" ,i might have a bit more respect for them.
They sound just like bullshitting politicians atmo.
Just stop it Fanatical !.
"carefully curated by our expert team who only use the best handpicked titles that are bespoke to each bundle recipe"
Mwawahahahah!
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"We can’t give you the exact odds because all our bundles are so different, we’d need an expert maths team to figure them out. Besides, we’d much rather spend our time creating the best possible deals for you."
yeah, there are multiple experts needed...
a = number of copies in total
b = numbers of copies for a game
the chance to win the game: b/a
you are welcome, fanatical <3
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And C for amount of keys bought, but that's basically it.
If I gave all the numbers to a middle school math class for a task, they could probably give me close odds pretty fast
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It is possible that they're changing the odds on the fly, based on things like number of past purchases of bundles, number of people buying the current bundle, number of cats looking at the moon at the moment, and so on, so it's theoretically possible that showing the odds would be hard.... but yeah, that answer is just stupid. Chances are they weight the odds a bit differently for different games, mind you, but that should be known to them, and if the odds changes based on known factors, like number of keys remaining for any given game, having that automatically be updated on the fly should not be a problem.
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I understand that they're taking a lot of parameter into account but I just wonder why they don't care about the games I want to win... :-/
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We can’t give you the exact odds because all our bundles are so different, we’d need an expert maths team to figure them out.
fuck off with that nonsense
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They must think we're all 9 years old or something .
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Nah they think if they use lots of words, us moronic gamers will get confused and give up on calling BS.
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I mean, taking the number of each game, and dividing that number by the total number of games? You would clearly need a super-computer paired with a neural network trained in chaos theory to do a computation that advanced.
A/(A+B+C+...X) where you know the value of A through X is the kind of unsolvable problem that keeps mathematicians awake at night.
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"it's a fun and unique way to discover new must-play games at unbeatable value"
ROTFL yeaaaaah right.
"There is NO gambling involved, for the Magnificent Mystery Machine alone, you are guaranteed to receive at least $15 worth of games with a 10-game pack worth $6.99"
It seems they don't understand how gambling works. At least they pretend not to.
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The date at the top says 18th of June 2019 though. That would explain why it's an old bundle linked, if it was posted back then.
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Ah, I see. They've recently "republished" this so I guess they really want to make a statement?
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Are Mystery Bundles full of stock we want to get rid of?
No way! When a Mystery Bundle starts out in life, it is carefully curated by our expert team who only use the best handpicked titles that are bespoke to each bundle recipe.
Uh huh.
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It's an old article and was written because of all the complaints from Reddit & co.
It's a blatant attempt to justify their shady method. At least they should publish the odds like GMG is doing.
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Ah, I see. They've recently "republished" this so I guess they really want to make a statement?
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Yes, they still need to explain themselves as long as they carry on with their mystery crap, and it doesn't look like they are willing to give up on their quite lucrative practice.
Luckily they are also offering their regular bundles, and in the end we as customers have a choice.
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That would probably lead to another problem though. Not everyone understands statistics and probability, e.g. if a game has a 1 in 100 chance, they'll buy 100 keys and complain they didn't get it even though they should have. Because they confuse probability with a guaranteed outcome XD
Even if they literally wrote 'not guaranteed' people would still complain.
That said, I don't support gambling either. And I hate that they added the whole "your purchase qualifies for a mystery key" (that you still have to buy) crap to the carts XD
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I have better things to be outraged about.
For instance, why there was ketchup on my sandwich at lunch.
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I tend to avoid places that serve anything as a "nugget." O.o
A moment of silence for my destroyed pastrami.
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Did you solve the mystery? That sounds nasty
A moment of silence
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I can only surmise it was some grand plot against me, likely involving the CIA and NSA. They've been after me for years for my involvement in the illegal overseas trade of smoked beef products. I assure you, my import/export papers are all in order, and all profits held in my offshore accounts are above board and legit. I'm entirely innocent of all accusations leveled at me.
In reality, I think they just confused part of my order with someone else's. They do get very busy around lunchtime.
But come on,who puts ketchup on pastrami? ;_;
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Oh dear. I hope you find that miscreant who asks for ketchup on a perfectly good pastrami sandwich and try to above being beside him/her in the lunch queue. This is a good example of "surprise mechanics" :O
I wish you success in your quest to clear your name in the conspiracy against you. Seasons greetings!
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Happiest of holidays to you as well! :D
(Sheesh, am I really so busy lately that I've forgotten that Christmas is nearly here?!)
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I'm sure there's a lot weighing on your mind with the pastrami plot against you ;)
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I went on a roadtrip once and accidentally brought a brown bag full of used batteries instead of my bagged lunch like a dumbass. Was sad about the no food, but the worst part was definitely being given half a sandwich full of ketchup it was oozing. The batteries were looking quite tempting in comparison.
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Ketchup is evil.
But at the same time, I have questions -- for instance, why did you have a bag of used batteries?
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The bag was on the counter for my dad to bring to work where they dispose of 'em. And they were hefty batteries, I just didn't question why my lunch weighed several pounds. haha
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The only true part is that Fanatical, their partners and (too) many of their customers love mystery bundles.
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+1 ... too many I am in my thoughts at the "over 9000" joke
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A couple observations about Fanatical mystery bundles:
Let's be frank about GMG's mystery packs/bundles in contrast to Fanatical's: They get nowhere near the amount of criticism as Fanatical because GMG publishes drop lists and rates and Fanatical doesn't.
Why don’t we reveal what games are in the Mystery Bundles?
to be able to include many of the amazing games on offer in our Mystery Bundles, we agree confidentiality with our developers and publishers that we won’t reveal what titles will be included.
Seems shady compared to GMG. I suppose Fanatical can make the argument that this allows them to include more unbundled games, which might be slightly plausible since IIRC GMG mystery packs have fewer if any unbundled games, but most people would say that these ends don't justify the needs.
Are Mystery Bundles good value for money?
But if you needed any more convincing that the Mystery Bundles are great value for money, let’s look at our latest one...
The minimum value of games you are likely to receive for the cost of just $6.99 is $15.90 - and the maximum you could get for that same $6.99 is a whopping $569.39! - on average, most people will receive $115.00 worth of games in a Mystery Bundle.
I empirically don't trust their average stats given. Their next bundle after this blog post was the Mystery Goldrush Bundle in which they gave average stats for their Tier 1-9 and Tier 10. I took the SG-sourced drop lists, ran the numbers, and found that the average retail prices and review scores were much lower than claimed. The only ways that Fanatical's averages can be correct is if the SG sample size (about 50 unique regular drops, and 20 more from tier ten) is really low compared to all possible drops, or the higher prices & reviewed games actually dropped much higher than others.
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Haven't checked your links or much of anything else to be honest, but I don't think keeping an average "value" above $15 in a mystery bundle is gonna be any problem. Average of the current Yogscast is above $17 per game...
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With the Mystery Gold Rush Bundle (not the same one referenced in the June blog post that OP linked to), the actual drops' retail was 30-40% lower than what Fanatical claimed, which was no less than $15.
If they were off by that much with a later bundle, it is possible that their padding their June claim by that much as well.
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https://www.fanatical.com/en/blog/are-mystery-bundles-legit-your-myths-debunked
Press X to doubt
Edit: If you look at the bottom, they linked their mystery bundle from 3+ months ago. Did they already have this pre-written in anticipation or something?
Edit again: This was an article in june 2019 but they reposted it again? Can't tell if this is better or worse
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