Update: Thanks for the help guys. Running "chkdsk E: /f /r /x" somehow fixed the problem. I think it must have been a visual error of some sort because its showing proper size now!

Hi,
I'm having an issue with my HDD right now, and I know SG isn't a tech forum, but I really don't even know where to start looking for the solution.
So basically my 6TB HDD was getting full with only approx 500GB free, and I copy pasted all the folders to a new 8TB HDD thinking the extra 2TB would be useful to have free. So I started by formatting the 8TB HDD with just one partition and bought the files over. However while copying the files, I got an error that I was out of space. Checking in the "My PC" under windows explorer, it showed that I was at max limit, but the space occupied was reducing by about 1GB a second without me doing anything.

I figured that some application probably put in some temp files that were taking space and it was gonna go back to the actual size. However after transferring all the files, it shows only 788GB free instead of the 2.5TB I was expecting. I went under my folder options and made it so I could see hidden files, system files and any other protected files, however there is no files in recycle bin, no system restore files, no page file. If I collectively select all files/folders and check properties, it shows only about 5.08 TB.
https://i.imgur.com/46f3Nh4.png
https://i.imgur.com/85aVXqH.png

I used a utility called Space Sniffer, and it also only shows 4.8TB used, but only 788GB free space. I am running out of options and I still have no idea what is taking up all this space. Hopefully someone here has some suggestions that will help me figure out this mystery. I want to know what happened to the missing 1.5TB of space I am meant to have.

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MBR or GPT?

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GPT

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Did you clone the drive or just copy files?

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Copy Paste. I didn't wanna clone in in case it got interrupted. At least with copy paste I could do it in pieces and pause when I needed to.

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Since you copied, is it possible that you may have also copied over hidden files Winblows loves to store?

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he should have about 7444GB usable with a 8TB drive, don't think windows eats up a couple TB. weird

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I copied the folders in root, one at a time.
I have also changed the folder options to show me hidden and system files and I still cant find where the space went.

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Maybe you accidentally copied a folder twice. You could have dropped it inside another folder and not noticed. If there is not a ridiculous amount of folders and you still have the original copies, I would go through them one by one and compare the size on each drive to make sure each folder is the same.

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Nope. Even apps like Space Sniffer is only showing files add upto 4.8TB.

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Maybe it is some weird visual error? What brand drive is it? Is it correct size in bios/dskmgt?

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Multiple programs are all showing the same numbers though. Doesn't appear to be just visual, or there is an issue somewhere and they are all reading the data from the same place?

And it is a Hitachi Deskstar drive. I have used it as a backup drive for this data about a year ago, and back then I used up exactly what it should have. So this issue is a new one.

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chkdsk fixed the problem. I think it was some sort of visual error after all. Thanks for your help mate.

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I know that its not gonna be exactly 8TB, but it does not explain a 1.5TB difference. Besides, like my attached screenshot shows, the total capacity is fine. Its the used space, that is the problem.

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I had a long article typed up and my browser crashed, so I lost it all. Much sadness.
However, 4.8TB+788GB=a full 6TB drive.
The missing 1900GB is unusual. Download Partition wizard and see what size your partition actually are. Maybe you have unformatted space which windows cannot see?

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Here is a screenshot of the disk management.
https://i.imgur.com/85aVXqH.png

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Nope. Like I mentioned in the original post, the system restore is not turned on for that drive.
Neither is the page file on that drive.

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"Checking in the "My PC" under windows explorer, it showed that I was at max limit, but the space occupied was reducing by about 1GB a second without me doing anything."

That seems suspicious.

Personally, I'd suggest to reformat the new drive, setup partition, view size, then just leave it connected to your computer (doing nothing with it) -- and watch to see whether the space occupied changes by itself over time. Like, check right away, then 10 minutes later, then keep checking back every once in a while to see whether anything changes. I'd even leave it connected for a day and come back & check. Either everything is fine or you'll mysteriously start losing space. Once that's figured out, step 2 might be to copy over 1 large file, check the size right away, then leave the drive connected without doing anything else to it, and checking back periodically for size changes.

I do have a suspicion there might be a virus doing stuff to your drive, e.g. adding files or encrypting your files.

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I don't think its a virus. Its a fresh install I just did as I upgraded my CPU/Motherboard/RAM.
Haven't had time to mess with it much yet. So no dodgy programs installed, and there is no performance hit anywhere. No files encrypted and everything is accessible just fine. The 1GB a second thing was weird, but I just presumed that some application made some temp files which were probably being removed. However even if some application did store temp files, they should still be included in the total file size rather than just the disk size. Also, just to clarify, that regaining of HDD space stopped at the 788GB. No more suspicious activity aside from me being unable to access my full space.

I might have to reformat, but honestly I would rather avoid it. Took me 3 days to transfer over the 5TB of data from my old HDD to new HDD. I would rather not do it again unless I absolutely must.

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what cluster size is set when formatting a disk?

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Fixed.
"chkdsk E: /f /r /x" did the trick. Its showing the correct size now!

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Some possible causes:

  • Corrupt drive.
  • Faulty drive.
  • Fake drive that reports more than it's physically available.
  • The missing space is wasted. For instance a badly chosen allocation unit size value when formatting the drive. You can check by selecting the files on the drive and comparing in Properties the Size and Size on disk values.
  • Virused computer.
  • Communication issue. Try changing the cable or switching to another port.
  • Badly configured BIOS settings yielding unexpected results.
  • Software conflict. Try booting in safe mode and checking the result.
  • PC Hardware fault. Try the drive in another computer and see if it works properly.
  • Broken/Wrong Drivers. Try installing the most recent drivers if available, preferably from the drive's manufacturer.
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Fixed.
"chkdsk E: /f /r /x" did the trick. Its showing the correct size now!

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Glad you got it fixed!

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Dead platter.
8TB = 4x2TB platter?
If one platter is dead or mostly kaput you are left with 3x2TB maybe?

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Fixed.
"chkdsk E: /f /r /x" did the trick. Its showing the correct size now!

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Ah ok, well, I hope it aint lying again, but yay! :D

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Glad you got it solved :)

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Hmm, that is an annoying problem for sure :D I will keep the solution on my mind :)

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I wouldn't say it was just a visual problem, something got messed up somehow (and in most cases once you got it fixed it stays fixed, but there could still be some underlying hardware issue, but that you won't know until it happens again or use some software like Crystaldisk).

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Well, everything is backed up now, so fingers crossed!

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Hi. I think checkdisk should be used once regularly when there was power shortage or some other sudden crash, seems more like filesystem/allocation problem (/f), such scan doesn't take long. Much longer is physical scan but if there is not other problem you don't need it (chkdsk /r).
I would suggest to install for example crystaldisk free software to monitor smart of your hard drives (in option change values from 16hex to 10dec for better clarity of reported data). You will know more in what state are your drives, if there are instable sectors or not.

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I think at some point, system must have crashed or rebooted improperly causing some sort of error causing an incorrect reading. I am hopefully that it was just a one off, and unless anymore unexpected crashes occur, it will stay working.

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Try the program WinDirStat, it shows all the contents on your drive and how much each folder takes, including hidden files and system files.

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Already managed to solve it mate. Thanks for the suggestion though :)

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Even though it was solved, I'm an anal about finding the truth. So before the fix, did you happen to have a different user using the PC as well? If I recall correctly, if you tried checking a different user's file, it wouldn't show the size.

Or maybe the drive was corrupt and had a couple of bad sectors, which /f and /r would've "fixed" them. That being said, from my experience, if a hard drive had started to go bad, it's best to lose the drive rather than lose your files.

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There is only one user on the PC.
Also, this is a new HDD, meant to be a replacement for my last 6TB one as I was running out of space.
So I don't think it has any corruption issues. Even good drives can rarely get issues due to forced shutdown or crashes that can be fixed by chkdsk. All my data is now backed up, so I am just gonna keep using this. Not looking to spend another few hundred dollars to try and get a new HDD on the off chance it might be faulty. If it appears to be fine, I am gonna stick with it.

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I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight due to not knowing the cause...

View attached image.
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lol

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Is it a laptop or why are you replacing instead of adding?

New HDDs are the ones that actually have a lot of problems, because they haven't been tested in use and can even be completely DOA. Of course not as much as really old ones that are starting to have mechanical wear, but more than ones that been in use for like 1-2 years.

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I am replacing instead of adding because I can now disconnect my 6TB HDD for the next 6 months and use it as a backup drive. In 6 months or whenever I feel like it, I will update the backup data to keep it upto data. If I am running out of space for backup, I will stop backing up the less relevant data.

As for new HDD having issues, yeah I agree with you there. Seagate HDDs are the worst IMO. However since I haven't had any issues aside from this one incident which turned out to be reasonably simple to fix, I am inclined to not write it off. Plus like I said worst case scenario, I already have an upto date backup if it does fail.

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Could also just be a software error corrupting the file system without any physical problems, Win 10 has been known to have random errors time to time.

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