Just a quick poll and asking what are your opinions on this?
I don't know if they actually pay the taxes but I still smell that smelly smell that they don't - at least for my country. And yes, this is country based tax since you can check which VAT is in your country here:
https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/europes-new-tax-rules-bad-games/

And Indiegala is based in Italy, Rome (their VAT 22%).

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Do they actually pay the taxes in your names for each bundle you buy and pay through PayPal?

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They are cheating bastards who just do this to claim more money than it actually should be!

Does it matter if they cheat or not? I mean, they need to charge VAT, right? So if they do charge VAT they're doing what they should and customers have nothing to complain about. If they cheat on taxes, that's between them and the government.

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Yeah but if they collect VAT it's basically our responsibility to notify the authorities that they should receive the VAT payments from them. Why should we pay the extra that is masked as "tax" if they don't pay it? And for me, paying extra 2€ for a bundle is quite a lot since the bundle costs 5€ itself.

I know that Humblebundle is a charity, that's why they don't need to pay taxes at least in my country, probably all over the EU. And Bundlestars add the VAT in the price, so you see it right when you buy the product (which is stated in EU law, that the consumer should see the VAT price right when he's buying the product - too bad it only concerns the shops... but Indiegala is a shop?). Indiegala however is like American shops, the VAT is added at the checkout and I'm not really used to that. :p

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I know that Humblebundle is a charity, that's why they don't need to pay taxes

lol
First, Humblebundle obviously is not a charity organization, they just donate a % to charity organizations (and get fiscal benefits because of that).
Second, Humblebundle don't collect VAT because they are in USA...

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Steam collects VAT.

You're wrong.

It's the charity, even percentile donations earn you tax exemptions.

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It doesn't matter where they're located. In order to sell in Europe they have to collect VAT to European customers.

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Oh I see, I was wrong. Thanks for pointing it out. I have read humble bundle's FAQ and indeed they do collect VAT

Q: What about VAT / Taxes?
A: We handle VAT for you. VAT is deducted based upon the country the customer resides in, using the applicable rate. We pay VAT in the following countries: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and United Kingdom.

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But do you have any proof that Indiegala is doing anything wrong? Why would you even assume that? And why do you think it's your responsibility to notify the authorities that someone is collecting tax? Do you contact the authorities for every store you see just to let them know it's there? Besides, when a company registers as a company, that pretty much tells the authorities that they should be collecting tax.

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Well, it's the job of the one who's paying the bill to notify the authorities if he suspects something suspicious. And I find it really suspicious that they collect VAT but there's nothing about where it goes, how they manage it, no VAT number anywhere to be seen... I find that really suspicious. For instance, go to bundlestars.com and check the bottom part of the page:
© 2016 Focus Multimedia Ltd. All rights reserved. Bundle Stars is a division of Focus Multimedia Ltd. Registered No. 2408658. VAT No. GB 661 4081 52.

And Indiegala has none of that and it's European company, so... :)

Also I never claimed that I know for 100% sure, I just expressed my feelings about their tax policy, if you have any evidence that they're as innocent as you think, be so kind and reveal them. :)

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I don't have evidence that they're innocent, I just believe that people should normally be considered innocent until proven guilty. Especially if the reason to think they're not innocent is flimsy.

The right course of action, if you want to reassure yourself, is to contact Indie Gala and ask for the VAT number.

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Based on your location VAT is automatically added to every purchase if it applies. Can't remember anymore if it gets listed seperatly on the receipt. But I'm certain that I pay more for the same bundle than somebody from the US.

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I don't understand IndieGala and VAT. I remember at one point using a VPN to do what I thought was avoiding paying it. Then they brought in IP checks and it became a pain to go through that every time so I stopped.

When I stopped the VPN thing I noticed there was no difference between what I was paying and what the advertised price was. I don't think they do different prices in different regions like BundleStars do for example as my price is always the same as what Rachel puts up in her threads.

Am I paying it or not? If I am then I can only think they must be making less money on my purchases as I'm not paying more for the bundle than someone in the USA does. I don't get it. For what it's worth, on the old Indie Gala site, it registered my address as simply "United States" although that wasn't done to avoid any VAT, they did it automatically - perhaps it's some sort of carry over from that? Not a clue what's going on.

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in what currency do you see prices on IG? For me it's $ eventho I'm in EU, and as far as I looked around, there's no VAT charged for me (for now).

Also, that IP check is lame anyway, I disabled it right away :D

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I see it in $ too. Contrast that to Bundle Stars where I see it £ (GBP) as I'm in the UK. Stars show VAT at the checkout for me.

The IP thing, well I remember twice strangely getting temporarily blocked for a few hours when trying to reveal a key. Still, I keep it on just in case as I have some unused keys on there even I do think my password and email are fairly complicated/secure.

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AFAIK you'll see real price after you purchase, for example on paypal page (it used to be that IG tells me $2, but paypal says they'll take €2.05 - note change currency too; when that VAT was changed that's when I more or less stopped buying anything from Gala and if I do then though Group Buys or just US friends, depending on Happy Hour).

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nope, IG and paypal all show $ for me.
Also paypal currency conversion is a ripoff, so I disabled that. I let my bank do the conversion.

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Well, I didn't bought anything from them for like a year, so they might have changed it.

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As someone quite familiar with international tax structures and profit-shifting, yes, they do collect and pay the VAT - in Europe.
In europe, the price usually includes the VAT, so you don't see it. The company is responsible for paying it (and will be prosecuted if they dont)
In the US, price shown usually doesn't include tax, which is added at checkout. So 3 euro price tag includes VAT, 3 dollar price tag does not.

However, in the US, a seller of goods is only obligated to collect and remit the tax if they have a connection to the state (e.g. a physical location)
Otherwise, the company does not need to charge sales tax. The customer is obligated to report the aggregate value of such sales and pay the tax directly to the state which, of course, everyone does

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But I think Indiegala is Italian company, at least that's what their location is saying: Italy, Rome. And they show the VAT at the checkout, which is practically against the law if EU shop law is applied to Internet stores (I don't know if it is).

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It's not. They started charging VAT when they had to. They don't like it as much as any other bundle site, because it hurts business. But yes, they are registered and located in the EU, and although tax evasion is the biggest and most popular national sport in the Mediterranean countries, they pay taxes, yes.

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After a bit of research, I came to the conclusion that the Indie Gala Store and the part of the site that sells bundles are two separate entities, operated within the same company.


Paypal receipts for bundle purchases report the seller as "INDIEGALA s.r.l.. (business@indiegala.com)", and the displayed price don't include VAT, which will be eventually added later, according to your country:

As a result of application of EU directives VAT will be added to purchases from EU.

Data from my last Paypal receipt as proof:

Partial amount €4.48 EUR
VAT €0.99 EUR
Total €5.47 EUR

If I recall it correctly, it was the Artifex Mundi bundle I purchased during Happy Hour.


Store purchase, on the other hand, identify the seller as "Indiegala s.r.l.. (storebusiness@indiegala.com)", and include VAT in the displayed price.

Where applicable, prices include VAT

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Got the Monday bundle this week and mine (from the UK) says:

Postage and Packaging $0.00 USD
Tax $0.00 USD
Purchase total $1.49 USD
Fee $0.00 USD
Total $1.49 USD

Edit: Looks slightly different on the Paypal classic site as it mentions VAT specifically rather than just "taxes" but it's the same result:

Conversion from: -£1.18 GBP
Conversion to: $1.49 USD
Exchange rate: 1 British pound = 1.2714 US dollars
Insurance: $0.00 USD
Item amount: $1.49 USD
VAT: $0.00 USD
Postage: $0.00 USD
Packaging: $0.00 USD
Quantity: 1

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That was my guess ... if IG correctly recognizes your IP -> EU country, displays prices in appropriate currency, then it also charges you VAT.
Otherwise everything is in $, and no VAT is applied.

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Gee, how do you make IG not to recognize your IP? >.< Maan I've been paying about 5 - 7€ for every bundle with VAT

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So you're making a post accusing a company of not paying taxes, and you say it's wrong... than you ask how to not pay taxes?

seemslegit

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Haha, yeap.

It's cool if you don't get caught :D

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VAT tax is paid monthly, based on the amount of sales, and the revenue is deducted from final invoice and wholesale invoice (reduced accordingly). If the seller is located in the EU you always use the rate based on his location (for some years now). They can't just take the VAT cash. For starters, they pay it in advance, when ordering keys from distributors/developers. Secondly, their Tax Office can easily calculate the right amount of revenue from sales invoices and they can fine you. And the fines can be enormous, even if there's only a slight error in tax payments.

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I presume you live in Washington ?

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Huh. I wonder what their connection is.
For digital goods they must collect sales tax if they have a presence in the state. If they do not have a connectuon, they do not need to collect sales tax, and I severely doubt they would

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Amazon has a sufficient nexus that it's not optional
Considering that steam doesn't charge in some states, I assume they have a nexus there too (otherwise I doubt they would)

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Then be happy you don't live in Europe, where it's more like 20-22%

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+1 Illinois as well

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It was very sad moving from NH (no tax) to MA, but no bundle sites add tax to my purchases, yet.

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Not sure if that still applies ... but in the past I could just avoid paying any VAT by using bitcoins as payment method. Probably a bug,
but it worked for me a couple of times.

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Yeah, I mean Indiegala is mostly crap anyway and when I see something for 1 USD and pay OVER 1 EUR for it I feel cheated anyway. Humble Bundle sells at the price they list, how come IndieGala adds it on top?

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Do you really think the second biggest video game bundle website on the whole internet, a website who is a registered company in Italy can get away with not paying VAT? lol

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in Italy? I wouldn't be surprised :D
It's old, but still quite accurate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAJNFoHuLno

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IDK... because AFAIK, there are no taxes on it from the USofA. (yet)

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How can you not pay it? It felt really suspicious when i bought there i admit. Never buying there again. But still, could be interesting to know.

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And lets bump this thread every know and then to show who they are. Also with free games according to the rumor. Also, they tell you to activate the games fast, well thats suspicious. Before the police comes?

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