A week ago I checked SG and it said One Piece: Unlimited World Red - Deluxe Edition was not bundled/reduced CV so I bought a key for it. After the giveaway ended it then showed it was reduced CV since April 29, 2021. How do the mods check for this? I would have bought a different game if I knew that one was supposed to be reduced since I wanted to buy games that offer full CV. It'd be helpful to giveaway creators if we knew what to look for.

edit: I checked steamdb's price history. The current lowest recorded price is from Russia. I checked the price history for that particular date April 29, 2021 and it said there was a Golden Week Sale 2021 and Russia's price was listed as 104 rubles. 104 rubles equals 1.22 dollars which would mean a 96.95% discount compared to U.S. I remember something about any price that is 95% or over gets reduced CV.

Is that how it's calculated?

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Not the best for this, as I'm lacking some knowledge about the subject...
Well the game was kind of bundled... in humblebundle "Build Your Own Bandai Namco Bundle" 2019-08-31.
When it's marked as reduced value/No value can take time...
As for 95% rule is that when the sale/discount of the game is that... The price on Russia vs USA is irrevelant.. What matters is the discount. Though I have heard someone say that if someones region have the game really cheap it might get reduced value.. Also I suggest the best discount to be sure it won't get Reduced value is <=90%
As for why that April 29, 2021 no clue, could be because that's when people started creating giveaways in bulk for it or something like that...
Edit: checked and it's not the case but it could be the price on stores/gray markets was low at that time...

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Though I have heard someone say that if someones region have the game really cheap it might get reduced value

Yes that's what I've read too. I don't know how much the game was retailing for in 2021 but if it was $40+ and it cost $1.22 that would probably qualify.

it could be the price on stores/gray markets was low at that time...

Where do you check price history for gray market prices though?

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There are a lot of site for comparing prices(some also give gray market ones)... Like allkeyshop.

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I know but allkeyshop doesn't have a price history feature. We can't see what the gray market prices were in 2021 can we?

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It does, just scroll a little bit down and you will see a chart. (But it looks like it's since 2022 only for every game)

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ok I see it thx

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A glance at the game's Archive page will tell you enough. 4 pages of GA's made almost only by the most generous people for a single country or region.
You can expect a reduction in such cases in the future. Archive link is at the bottom of the page (Browse: Giveaway Archive)

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That's a good point. I'll look for that next time thx

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the price of X country vs USA is very relevant apparently
this is the mods comment regarding Granblue Fantasy Versus(which is now 0CV despite never being free) "This change was based on a deep discount and regional pricing which was used to abuse the CV system. As you highlighted, on 28 April 2023 there was a 90 % discount on Steam. In Turkish Lira, the price was 3.20 TRK which was $0.16 USD, a discount of 99.19% on the USD price used by SG."

to note that price was a 90% discount as the time in Turkey when it happened(base price was 32).

really discourages picking a random well rated 90% discount game, especially with inconsistent criteria regarding CV status(its one thing with the overpriced asset flips... its another with real games)... now I have to go diving into every single regions pricing before I pick a game(beyond just a glance at historic lows and bundle history)... which will at times make me not do it.

edit: ninjad by a mod confirming it does matter while typing this up(im slow!)

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Mmm, thanks for info, I might need to start checking regional pricing also...

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Well, just check for yourself: Archive link. Seems very generous, doesn't it?
I guess you can kind of expect the reduction when you have entire pages of exclusively restricted GA's, mostly to a single country. Blame the region-hoppers for exploiting the SG system.

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edit: I have no idea anymore. :)
but ITAD's still a great resource - https://isthereanydeal.com/bundles/7847/

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The 2019 bundle wasn't really a bundle though. It was a pick 3/4/5 games and get a 80/83/85% discount respectively. That's not high enough to get reduced CV is it?

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Regional currency conversions do have an impact on CV calculations abd have been taken into account for a long time.

I've not been a mod long enough to remember when it started, but according to this post by MSKOTOR, it was with Serious Sam sales.

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So is that why One Piece: Unlimited World Red - Deluxe Edition was reduced, because of Russia's pricing on that date?

What is the official rule on regional pricing? Is it 95%+ discount when converted to dollars? Or euros?

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Yes, that's why

There is no public official %. Please see the link I posted in another reply for a discussion about it and some of the reasoning.

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k thx

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Is there a reason why those region specific cases can't be separated from the ROW pool of giveaways for the purposes of determining cv?

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The way the website is set up doesn't allow it. Games are managed by their app id and regional versions are at the sub id level (for the majority of games).

I don't know if that or another kind of change that would allow managing games at this level is possible. If you have any ideas, you could post in the 'suggestions' category.

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I don't believe it's come up for me before, but I was curious since it seems the obvious thing to look at. How would you go about doing that though? No idea.

Anyway, I appreciate the response. Seems pretty cut and dry for now.

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SteamDB currency conversion has NO impact on CV calculations.

Unfortunately it has. If a game is 80-85% (or more) off on Steam it might be put on the reduced CV list because of too cheap regional prices. But only if people from those regions 'exploit' the sale here on SG. For example Down in Bermuda, a game that was never bundled, is zero CV (so not even reduced CV, but outright zero) just because a Turkish user gave away 5 copies during a 90% off sale in 2022 August.

For some time I entertained the thought to spend some of my wallet funds to gift good unbundled games here when they are 80% to 90% off. I even did a few such GAs. But it felt too risky, your CV could be wiped out retroactively later just because somebody from Argentina or Turkey gifted the same game on SG. Maybe it's safer now that the steepest regional discounts seem to be a thing of the past.

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I meant in regards to calculating a % discount vs 95% rule of thumb people use for reduced CV. You'd probably have to use another number. But also now I'm just confused and have no idea.

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I think barter dot vg is the best. It includes giveaway history and bundle.

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steam.db

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They throw a dart at a wall then they ask their buddies if they like you or not. They just do whatever they want, there is no rules for how cv is handled. I even put in a ticket and was told as much by a mod.

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They just do whatever they want, there is no rules for how cv is handled. I even put in a ticket and was told as much by a mod.

And that is untrue. No one told you that "they just do whatever they want". You can cite what you were told (best are whole citations for context), but don't "miss" the truth like this just because you did not get an answer you want.

smythe gave a link to the previous discussion about the same topic above. If game is from bundle or 85% off (possible region pricing issues) you consider it as bundled. If game is available for free on gleam or for few cents on gray market you consider it no-CV.

Giving games should be about wanting to give someone else a game. Not discussions if I should buy a game for 10 or 11 cents. One is 49,99%, and the other is 50,01% discount vs US price (obviously this is just my made up example). "So which game is safe for me to give?". The reason we have bundle and no-CV is to prevent CV abuse. Not to have accurate list of bundles and free games. That is the purpose of websites like barter.vg or isthereanydeal. If game is clearly used to abuse "getting full CV", it will be added to some list. Look on Serious Sam, LEGO or Portal 2 as examples that I gave before.

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I mean I can post screenshots of being told that whoever does CV just do whatever they feel like if it helps you sleep at night. And I honestly don't care what the answer was, anything would have been better than "we just do whatever we feel like doing regardless of price history." I just steer clear of anything over 90% at this point to hopefully avoid the 0 cv nonsense. People, like yourself, consistently use the tired old gaming the system cliche when addressing me and the funny thing is I have still given out far more than I have received and that's not ever going to change. And that's for after reduced and removed CV alterations. I give away reduced CV games and I understand they are reduced CV games. I don't have a job. I make enough to be stable and happy and like to give back despite people constantly wagging their fingers at me. It would be great to giveaway some full value AAA games but I can't even afford that for myself. And yes this is another longwinded reply that most people won't fully read and blacklist me for but oh well. I keep giving and enjoying the site for the most part. And I'll be honest, after making this reply I fully expect someone to scrutinize my profile looking for anything to remove so they can knock me back down to 5.

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