Do you buy games protected by Denuvo?
I wanted to play dragon age inquisition when it went out, but it costed really too much for me so I was tempted to play a pirated version. Game had Denuvo protection so the working cracked version went out after a year or so.
In the end some weeks ago there was an offer 5 euro for GOTY on an official reseller and I bought it
Point is that with Denuvo, they didn't boost the sales with me. I didn't buy the game on release because I couldn't affordt it, not because I refused to pay for it. I just waited patiently for game price to go down to a ridicolous price, and I hope that with my 5 euro (- taxes and retailer share) they will have enough money to pay the Denuvo programmers at least, if not to have a gain.
(Anyway DAI was a huge disappointment)
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"God Eater 2 Developer permabanned legit game owner from discussion board because criticizing Denuvo."
Jeez, makes me think twice before getting that game now :v
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You know, if I'd spent years making a game, then some winey little shit told me I couldn't use whatever protection I wanted on my product to protect against pirates, I'd ban him too.
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Personally I think a permanent ban is a bit too far since he is a legit owner meaning he purchased a license of the game. If he has given his money I think that he is entitled to an opinion and I feel that what he said is fair. Although it is to the discretion of the dev that he chose to use Denuvo DRM, there is no doubt that there are issues with it especially if it is preventing the gamer from playing the game in Single-player (not explicitly stated). As Denuvo is "Always-online" this can cause problems for those owners who may not always have access to internet. And what then? It's unfair if you can't play a game you bought because of this DRM. I agree that obviously the dev deserves his share of returns in making the game but perhaps there is some other type of DRM he can use which will not cause these kind of problems. If you consider it, there will always be piracy because people in some countries simply cannot afford to spend that kind of money to get their fix of entertainment.
Back to the original point, the guy is just giving honest feedback and asking for fair changes to be made, it's not like he's badmouthing for no reason or straight up blasting the devs.
TLDR;
I think the perma ban is unfair and dev should consider using a different type of DRM that allows offline gameplay.
PS. I have nothing against you, just voicing my opinion too.
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I agree with you, I also think a perma-ban went waaay to far, but developers are normal people like you or I, yet hey have to take all the crap that's thrown at them and stay professional. There's only a certain amount of bullshit anyone can take and I'm sure most developers who use Denuvo are sick to the hind teeth at being told what they can or can't do.
Any other profession and people who didn't agree with their business practices would just avoid their product, I mean animal activists don't buy fur coats then demand the creator remove the fur for something they find more palatable.
Anyway, my point is that maybe the developer decided he's reached his limit with this person and maybe even this subject, and he banned him to protect himself from snapping and potentially losing his job.
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Yeah that's a fair point too I guess. Welp **** happens. And yes everyone has a breaking point. It's human.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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In a perfect world, devs would be allowed to use Denuvo on the condition they removed it for a less intrusive DRM as soon as it had been cracked. Problem solved, everyone is happy.
I guess "the hard way" is part of human nature xD
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Developers usually have no say to at all what DRM they use, it's decided by share holders who may or may not buy any bullshit about piracy they're fed by DRM marketers.
Second, anyone who is "Developer" on Steam, it means just they're working for publishers. Most likely developers are not one's to interact community, they've separate teams for that.
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Yeah, it's pretty sad actually. But this is why I love indie games so much. Developers stay close to the community :)
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Of course, but I disagree that shareholders are in the pockets of DRM marketers. Do you think that Namco make billions every year because they're stupid? They're driven by numbers, the numbers tell them that the 3 months that Denuvo gives them, is worth more to the company, than the customers who refuse to buy into Denuvo.
Also, you'll be surprised just how many actual developers contribute in the Steam forums, half of them can't even speak English well. (Not that that's a bad thing). Do you really think a publisher would appoint a non-English speaking community manager?.
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._. huh wow you're all talking about me right there
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Just dont >_> game has never been updated till now
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God Eater 2 Rage Burst cracked, 4 days after the last crack.
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Rumours say Resident Evil 7 is already cracked.
Making it fastest Denuvo crack yet.
RIP. Denuvo.
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So rumor is Nier: Automata Steam version was delayed because Denuvo in RE7 cracked
Dunno if true, I mean just few days ago few local shops started taking preorder for PC physical with 10.3 (same day as consoles) as release date.
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Could be Tales of Berseria the game they are refering to, but yeah, RE7 is more important.
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LOL, what a waste of money, this is what happens when you are an anti-consumer publisher.
Thanks, OP updated.
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Can Denuvo be sued by publishers/devs? I mean, spending a high amount of money on "protecting" your game and see it getting cracked within days after the release must hurt. Moreover, Denuvo did a shitty job protecting the game.
Hopefully devs/publishers will learn and will stop using these methods, and use that saved money on polishing the game instead.
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They offer refunds for the crack within timeframe.
And no, the best out there is Denuvo - no other DRM can hold the record in this modern era. Unless it's Always Online like Diablo of course.
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we do not have any deals in place that offer refunds if a game is cracked within a specific time frame
They could well have signed an agreement with a refund stipulation since that statement was made. Even if they did they wouldn't confirm it as then every publisher would want such an agreement.
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Mass Effect: Andromeda UPDATE 1.005 (new denuvo) cracked.
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NieR:Automata and Sniper Ghost Warrior 3 cracked by some new group! They go by Baldman.
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I remember reading articles a few months back saying it was going to be the end of piracy because it was taking crackers way too long to crack a game with Denuvo. My how things change.
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The Early days of reverse engineering anything always take a while.
You have to take the unknowns, keep looking until you find something you know, determine context (how it works), etc.
I haven't reverse engineered anything in a while, but you always have to sift through massive amounts of information.
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Why would I tag a game as "Denuvo"? That tells the person that's going to buy it literally nothing about the content of the game or what type of game it is. (Sorry if that sounds rude. I just don't understand the purpose of pushing helpful tags like "RPG, action adventure, FPS" underneath all this other stuff like "Nudity, anime, cute, memes" and now "Denuvo".)
Also I'm confused. ME Andromeda's patch was cracked only a day after the game was cracked? I was checking that weeks ago and it said it still hadn't been done.
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I tag games with the DRM they contain. It helps those of us who don't want to support those developers make an informed purchase.
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See and I wouldn't tag it with the DRM for the same exact reason. I see tagging what DRM it uses when almost every game on steam uses one to be pointless. I'd rather tag the genres of the game that actually help someone looking for a certain type of game make an informed purchase rather than the DRM which almost every steam game has anyway. Maybe a DRM free tag could be useful? But I still wouldn't tag that. It pushes down actual important tags that are relevant and describe the product you're purchasing. (But what's important to me obviously isn't important to everyone. Thats why some persons play games only for the graphics whereas I see that as silly.)
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There are more tags applied to a game than what you see on the Store Page. They are simply weighted by votes.
Using Depressurizer will let you see all the tags people apply to games.
Some of those tags are quite weird and / or specific (such as Silent Protagonist).
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Kind of like how children's games always get labeled "Psychological Horror"?
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Exactly. The tagging system is completely open to abuse. That's why I only tag games with labels specific to me.
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I personally think that just having the game's genres listed by the developer makes a lot more sense than a tagging system. Not sure why steam opted for something so easily abused tbh.
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Just to help or warn any potential buyer who doesn't like anti consumer practices like this one. I agree there are several useless tags already, but IMHO the "Denuvo" tag is useful.
Regarding ME: Andromeda's patch:
04/05: Mass Effect: Andromeda UPDATE 1.005 (denuvo v4) cracked.
04/04: Mass Effect: Andromeda cracked
I think you are confused with the date format, I am using the european one: DD/MM
04/05=May 4th
04/04=April 4th
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That would clutter almost every game on steam then since most of them that don't use a strong third party one use the steam DRM, and the ones that don't typically still require you to have steam and refuse to let you make backups like any real DRM free game would. Seems a little redundant to me, personally.
EDIT: Oh sorry. Its rare I see non-Americans type dates out. Like a once in a year occurrence for me. Makes it easy to forget.
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But what's so bad about this specific DRM that makes it so much worse than every other one?
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While you may not, I and many others find the tag useful. This article highlights some of the problems with Denuvo.
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Good points. But i still don't see how labeling a specific DRM is more important than labeling what the game actually is. If i click on a game and see "Denuvo, mature, indie, gore, casual. based on a novel" etc. That does nothing to make me interested in the game. All i have is the first image/video on the page and those tags to make me want to scroll down to see more. And if I can look at all that (I don't watch the videos because steam loads videos like crap for me. I do look at the images though.) and still not know what the heck kind of game it is? I have zero reason to scroll down.
It seems EXTREMELY unhelpful in my opinion to describe a game as all of these things, including Denuvo, meanwhile playing the game has nothing to do with any of these things. When you look at a game, is your first question "What kind of game is it?" or "Does it have Denuvo?" Honestly. When you look for new games how do you base your search? By genres you might like? Or by the fact that it doesn't have Denuvo?
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It's not necessarily about the initial search though, but rather being aware that it contains Denuvo once you reach the store page. Of course people aren't searching for the Denuvo tag initally, but once they're on the store page and they see that tag it may provide reason not to purchase the game. And since it isn't always listed on the product page that it does contain Denuvo DRM, it is useful to many users.
I agree that there are a lot of mistagged games, "joke" and other trash tags on the Steam store, but I don't think this is one of them.
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True but genres aren't listed either under steam's system. Genres seem more important to help let you know what kind of game you're buying rather than potentially burying one of them to list the brand of DRM it has.
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Right, so I contend that both are useful tools for potential buyers.
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http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DenuvoGames/discussions/0/208684375411680632/
Also, that article says:
Claims such as Denuvo affecting performance
In some games the performance is definitely affected, there are reports of several games loading a lot faster with the cracked version, maybe because Denuvo uses VM techniques which involves CPU cycles being wasted in the process.
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That could be important yes, but that's of no greater or lesser importance than a regular lack of optimization in a game. I don't see it as distinguished enough to completely replace one of the few tags most steam browsers will see that could fit a genre with "Denuvo".
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I wish people would agree on a format.
Like the ISO date format for example, although I know that'll never happen. :P
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I consider the metric system a lot more important xD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system
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Not really, since it's mostly just the US being silly. :P
In the date formatting's case, there are too many countries which don't agree on which format to employ - hence why using the international format would resolve the issue greatly. However, I don't expect this to ever happen.
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Not entirely correct. The format in England is the same as the Europeans, as far as I know.
What I'm saying is; Having an international, standard format would reduce the confusion for everyone.
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If all games came with a good long demo that would go a long way in helping people decide if they want to buy it ,,no more needing to try before you buy.
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meh, people have a problem with DRM designed to help protect the developers.. doesn't shock me considering people are self absorbed and entitled and think they should get everything for free.. meh.. support the developers or stop gaming..
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I realize this comment is a couple weeks old but you do realize DRM only affects people who legitimately purchase games right? People pirating the game months after release when it's been cracked and has no DRM were most likely not going to buy the game within the first month or so anyway when it was at full price (which is a metric most studios use to gauge success and immediate interest on a sequel) rather than years down the line at 85% off.
DRM is designed to make money for DRM creators. Denuvo is made by the same group of people that made Securom which was equally horrible at "protecting" developers and only punished people who bought the actual games.
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IMPORTANT: Please, add (type) the tag "Denuvo" manually to all Denuvo games you visit in the Steam Store, there aren't still enough games tagged as "Denuvo" so the tag does not appear. I'm adding direct links to the games below.
Also you can join this group and you will get a notice in every game profile with Denuvo.
Please, don't post links to torrents or warez related sites.
I opened this thread to post news about this protection. There's a Previous thread with interesting info but was closed by the author.
Latest news (2024):
(date format DD/MM)
17/11: Dragon's Dogma 2 "cracked" (developer build from February 2024).
16/11: Assassin's Creed Mirage "cracked" (full game with .exe from debug version).
20/10: Metaphor: ReFantazio "cracked" (full game with modified .exe from demo version).
12/09: Denuvo removed from Star Wars Jedi: Survivor: Steam Community
27/03: Denuvo removed from The Callisto Protocol: SteamDB
Archive
Cracked games (disinfected versions are in bold text):
Upcoming Denuvo games:
List of Denuvo games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_Denuvo_games (not available anymore, some Wikipedia editor has removed the most useful info from the article). Info
New link (even better than Wikipedia's old table): crackwatch.com/drm/denuvo/games (not available anymore. Reason: "As very little AAA games are being released right now, our advertising revenue is very low and we can no longer afford to pay for servers.": Reddit thread
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