Private and group giveaways

if they have enough entries why not

This is a fresh and interesting thought that I have never seen given voice here before. I am anxious to see what kind of productive discussion comes out of this thread.

people in groups or private are still part of this community...

I would love to make some kind of puzzle for my 1st contribution (which I likely do with the money left in my wallet after the sale), but now with contribution giveaways I'm not sure anymore. So, I'm with this thought to make group and private giveaways to count to contributor value.

What about puzzles? Private giveaways, but for all users that can solve the puzzles.

If "contributor" is used to direct peoples action, an alternative would be to have not one but three contributor values: public, group and private.

From a technical point of view this should be rather easy to implement.

To keep things simple, the site could still display a "global" contributor value but use the specific value to allow participation in a specific type of giveaway. (or just use the public value for any type of giveaway or ...)

Such a solution would only help with one type of problem (creating virtual contributor status using fake or rigged private/group giveaways) but that's maybe better than the current system.

I agree with the OP. There's a difference between generosity towards a select few who will be generous back to you, and generosity towards a larger bunch of people who might never reciprocate. It's never seemed entirely fair to me that public contributor giveaways reward both equally.

this discussion sounds pointless

tl;dr

yes

this is retarded in general. it's sad that these threads pop up near daily, whining about the inplace systems for giveaways. don't like it, you know where the door is....

What a silly question.

Perhaps there needs to be a clear definition of what Steam Gifts intends to be.

In this case, I think we need a mission statement for the site rather than a discussion of the operation. To elaborate, I think there's a discrepancy between the spirit of the law and the letter here.

I also think you need to change the name of the topic OP. Your post has the negative connotation of past heated topics. I would suggest, "Should we alter the way private group or private giveaways are counted?"

People are "LOL DIDN'T READ'ing" you to hell and back already.

Yes they should.

So i should be punished for wanting to make private giveaways? I'd rather make private giveaways to people who will appreciate it or have contributed themselves then open it up to the thousands of leechers on the site.

I see the point you're getting at, but then it would be harder to implement than the current system. S. Gifts giveaways should count because most of the site is in that group, or at least they should be. Private giveaway shouldn't count based on your suggestion, but the site has no way of knowing if the private giveaway was just made for a few friends, or if it was a puzzle or hidden link or something of that nature. Contributor giveaways, once they reach the high numbers of contributor value required, are equally as exclusive, if not moreso. I think it would be too difficult to implement the systems that would be necessary to do all this. I think Steamgifts works ok as it is.

Are you crazy? Mini-private and mini-group giveaways are the main source of abusing contributor system. Why whould you want to nerf it?!?

You can forget about contributor giveaways. Public giveaways with several hundred / thousand entries were replaced by public contributor giveaways with several hundred / thousand entries. Only thing that changed: Since the introduction of contributor giveaways you're at a disadvantage if you play by the rules and refrain from submitting individual bundle keys as giveaways. If you want to get something in return for the stuff you give away, you have to create a private group (or find a decent one, but that's like looking for a needle in a haystack).

I think one of the problems is when people make private giveaways and only send the code to 1 person in order to make a trade privately if they are using the private giveaways to trade games and both get points as well. Though admins can probably check this, not many have the time to check every giveaway.

There is also a chance the person has multiple accounts and is using private giveaways to gift games to themselves to gain points.

Private giveaways are private and we cannot see what was gifted

Most are for a small group of people and for that part it is up to themselves to regulate them

Leeches need love too and they help out sometimes in the community and who doesnt like leeches they clean things up

I shall suck you blood mmmm

Well, as far as I see it, the creator of the giveaway has complete choice over who they will and won't allow to enter it(or to be more precise who they allow to win it). If it's a group giveaway, it's still contributing to part of the community, but the part THEY have decided to allow a chance. Just like with puzzles- the creator has decided to allow just the people who can solve it. Sure, some people abuse it, but they also get caught. :P

So, small closed groups AREN'T part of SG community? The more you know...

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myb u should try to get in some groups and then think about this again ;)

I think I agree with you on that one. Maybe everyone could have both an "overall contributor value" and a "public contributor value". Meaning someone can only enter Public Contrib giveaways if they have enough on the second contrib value, but can use the whole overall contrib value to enter the private ones.

Example: Danny boy has given away enough to have a $300 contributor value, but only $200 was public (might even add public groups in this level). That means he cannot enter Public giveaways that require $301 value, because, in the Public sphere, open to all the SG community, he only gave away $200. But in giveaways that are private, he can use all the contributor value he has ($300), because that's his raw contribution to the community - no reason to limit it to the $100 value for the private giveaways because "Private" is not a sphere itself, it's not a community. Also, about Groups, we shouldn't limit by how much was contributed to each group independently because that would make a mess of things, I believe.

That's just what I think.

I disagree with this because MANY people do Group and private giveaways due to hating having to deal with beggars,whiners and bitches... I am included in this group of people and Your (Suggestion) I can only agree with IF (Beggars,Whiners and Bitches) get removed completely but the reality is that this will never happen so I must disagree with you because I make private and group giveaways because I dont want to give free games from my pocket money to someone who is ungrateful or rude .