Don't Vote "YES" for Free Keys on Greenlight Without Looking at the Game!

You get a free game, fair enough.

I always vote no but I lie and say I voted yes :P Best case scenario i get a free key, worst case scenario I don't get a key for what would have been a crappy game.

Ok

Greenlight concept was flawed from the moment it was introduced - free keys have nothing to do with it. Yogscast game got greenlit in 1st batch without giving free keys at all - just because it was supported by Yogscast. And now it's cancelled with people who Kickstarted it getting shit. Anyone who has published anything on Steam before can bypass greenlight totally - so we're getting a lot of shovelware like Desert Gunner - games that does not even work! And with all that the biggest issue you have is that someone gets on steam with a working game just because he gave away free keys? Honestly I prefer most of vote-for-free-key games (btw, neither Day One nor Guise of the Wolf you mentioned had massive free-game-for-vote promos) over the shovelware shit we're getting from "trusted" publishers on a daily basis?

Threads should definitely be banned and Valve definitely need to do something about it. There are many solutions they can do: Remove greenlight, limit the number of votes each user can do, make you pay if you upvote too many (you ARE basically specifying that you would buy this game if it came out, so...), have someone review greenlit games before actually releasing them (to see if people actually like the game and it is worth releasing, or just something like the free key thing happened), etc.. What's weird is that it's not even against the rules... lazy Volvo...

If a game needs that kind of advertisement, in my opinion that already speaks about its quality.
On the other hand, promoting a game by creating a giveaway so people would go and check it out, that's perfectly fine. But buying votes with the promise of a free key makes me question the game AND the developer.

Agreed. I usually downvote those games giving away free keys (not on principle but on the basis of the quality of the game). After all, if a game is of good quality it shouldn't need to buy votes with free keys.

I'm ok with crappy games, I don't need to buy them and if I get them for free, there might be some trading cards + I can try myself if I like that game ^^ But really, I only vote for those that look like I might enjoy them, some of them suck, some don't.

Why would people even WANT keys from crappy games?

I only vote for games I think are gonna be good

I feel that no matter on your stance of crappy games, using the 'vote yes and get a free key' scheme really discredits the Green Light system.

Im waiting for the time when greenlight is deactivated and everyone can self-publish, with users rating/vote/critic those new games, and user shops(just like a wine connoisseur cherry pics good wines, but for games) you get a tiny cut of the sales(as SteamWallet money)

It won't stop cause "free". Gamers love to do things that bite them in the ass later and then complain about it. Just look at the sad state of DLC.

There are also those who vote yes on a lot of games because I quote "someone else may enjoy it". That sums up whatever is wrong with Greenlight right now. You'll have a lot of crappy games in the market if you give voting power to retards.

The trend annoys me, though when I have free time I will go watch the trailer and read the materials for a linked game. The risk is that I will vote 'No' if it doesn't look promising, and most "we'll give you a key" games look really rinkydink. I've never come back and asked for a key, though, even if I voted Yes.

my thoughts on this is vote YES to everything on greenlight, so that steam gets flooded with crap games, leading to public outrage, forcing valve to shut down greenlight. I hate how greenlight is being used, and I hate valve for making it so easy to pollute their store with cheap poorly made crap, just so that valve can make an easy buck.

So vote for everything. every single soda-drinking simulator or crappy side-scroller you see. lets turn steam into a cesspool in the hopes that valve will finally wake up and move to protect its big money-maker and shut this crap down at the expense of quick profits.

I'm not sure if there is a way to view games in greenlight by popularity. Typically are free key for vote games taking the top spots, while other quality games are being passed by because they didn't make the cut?

A bad game in the market is easy enough to ignore, and doesn't really do any harm.

A bad game taking a better games place in the market, just because the bad game gave free keys, is something that would make me consider my votes a bit more.

I see the benefits a yes vote will do, and am not hearing/seeing any harm it's causing to other games in the program.

I don't bother looking. If I don't do it, people wont stop. I might as well get a free game out of it while also making an amateur game dev's dream come true. I feel no shame.

But cards! Free key that earns you steam wallet!

It wouldn't be so bad if the "no" votes actually counted for something. I don't know why Valve thought it was a good idea to neuter part of the filter from the filter system...

"Remember to judge games on greenlight not only by concept but whether they have already achieved the concept or are capable of achieving it."
This is a terrible way to think about it.
I'm perfectly fine with the free keys thing, even if it may seem a bit greedy.
However I wish people would actually put some thought into it, look at the videos and screenshots, is it the type/genre of game you'd be interested in? Does it actually look in anyway decent? If it looks like it'll be fun, and might actually get finished, vote that right up.
But if you're upvoting it SOLELY to get a key from it, there's something wrong with you.
If you see that it looks terrible, you see that it's probably just a joke, maybe won't get finished, you see that it's quality isn't anywhere near Steam standards, don't do it.

Why do you care? Why should I care? I lose nothing.
I don't bother about Greenlight at all, but if someone offers free shit for a click, why not?
Most bundled game ends on my account as a trade card generator and I'm sure I'm not alone. Why don't you go against crap filler games in bundles?

If it looks like complete garbage I'll vote no but I vote yes for most of them, regardless of free or not. I spend some time looking through random greenlight games when I'm bored. If it looks like they put some effort into the game I'll vote yes, not to mention the 100$ they spent to put it up on greenlight.