About that CV thing again

I wonder if all those russian (?) crappy grames that can be bought for cents are added to bundled games list. It would be much better way to farm CV.

Full ack!

Back when i started using SG´s (after getting over the thought of it being a scam lol) i only gave away good steam games, the ones i liked to play myself. Then reality set in, and as soon as i got paypal ready (laaate) started doing what everyone else did ... hence lowering the overall quality of games being given away. Ofc someones trash might always be someone elses treasure, but what really got me going was the Clickteam Fusion thingie being obviously exploited. From that moment on i might have spent a little too much time managing my blacklist, and wagering if giving away good games might be worth it at all..

I´d love to see ratio barriers put into place like some of you suggested, plus "do you even play bro" rules and whatnot.
Most of what sgtools has to offer would absolutely fit to be integrated into SG aswell.

No system is perfect, there will always be loopholes for people to abuse. It sucks to see users doing these $1 bundles to giveaway (not saying giving $1 bundles are bad, its just the relative value you get from some of it is too much) and get a relative massive cv boost , but meh you can't always do anything about them

Like carefree, I am nervous to voice my thoughts on some of the forums at times due to possible backlash.
I realise I have indeed bought bundles before to give away, but the main purpose was still to give and because there were games in there I still liked for myself. Didn't mean to exploit the system.

It's difficult for one catch all system to be in place and or moderated due to the sheer number of games in bundles and discounts daily. But I agree that perhaps slight tweaks to the system could make the site better. Maybe cv of some high quality, expensive bundles could be increased while cv of those massive cv bundles could be decreased. I'm not an expert at this, though.

I was also saddened to see myself being removed from your wl. I liked the comments you made with genuine kindness. But, I do understand somewhat, having experiencing both sides of the story.
Hope to see you around still, and perhaps one day we can be mutuals again. Hope you have a good day.

CV bump! ;-)

I'm curious whats your take on ppl that only made group ga with 10-20 entries, and won most similar ga themselves To me its worse than buying bundles because they inflate their cv without sharing with community at all.

eh, the vita bundle doesn't mean all that much to me, between the asterisks and the fact that closed gifting groups also count towards cv
<strike>(doesn't asterisk lock them at lvl 1? haven't been here in awhile, i'm assuming that changed based on your complaint unless that particular bundle never got marked?)</strike (ok, i've checked the (now old) rules change. points but at a reduced rate without non asterisked gifts seems fair enough to me)>

people giving away unwatned bundle parts are at least still contributing to the site, closed giveaways in private groups do not. if anything I'd see private giveaways and 1:1 ratio groups as the actual problem here. they're just getting cv for trading among themselves to then enter public giveaways as if they were high level contributors.

(not that it matters to me, i don't exactly have a high score so i don't really care. but sitll)

If i had enough spare time, I would be building another system on another website.

The system of the site should be using "credits". You would be starting with a free amount of credits. Whenever you win a "giveaway" you pay credits for the game - the amount of credits the games costs depends on how many entries the giveaway had - One credit per entry. The credits is taken from your account the moment you win the game. The host of the giveaway will be getting the credits. If the key is somehow invalid or something the winner may report key as invalid, but there will be no return of the credits spent. The giveaway owner will maybe lose 50% of the credits or something, and will be banned if too many giveaway keys are marked as invalid... The same applies to the person reporting the invalid key, too many invalid key reports and you're out... The only way you can get more credits is to giveaway some game. When the giveaway ends and some of the entries don't have enough credit to pay for the giveaway, the entry with the lowest amount of credit will be removed, and the cost of the giveaway is reduced by one. The system keeps removing the entry with the lowest amount of credits until everyone has credits enought to pay for the game.

hmm, so is there any new news on that famous Wieme Bluehearts Group?
Or, perhaps, if you don't want to make your own group why not join a group (of course only if the people in it do the right things, forn instance one of the "non-bundled" giveaway groups could be the right thing for you.

But as said in the giveaway-comment: when i can apply to the rules (financialy) then i would be interested in joining if there is ever a wieme bluehearts group!

Ha, I'm guilty of farming that exact bundle myself . No excuses here ;)

As for the CV, I agree that the system is far from perfect. All of these dollar bundles giving large amounts of CV are an issue, but I think the underlying problem is that the quality of Steam and the games that are allowed on their playform has gone waayy downhill over the last couple of years.

There are a lot of good suggestions in this thread, but I'm most partial to talgaby's suggestion of getting rid of CV altogether. Unfortunately, any change to the CV system (even ones far less drastic than abolishing it altogether) are going to create a lot of backlash, and drive people away from the site. Just look at how many people were upset or left when the points system was changed. The community here has already lost a lot of regular members, and this sort of change would not help the situation.

A tiered CV system might be an ok compromise, but then you're adding a whole lot of extra work for staff who already have a huge backlog. And you'd have to come up with an arbitrary system to determine it's % value.. if a game is in a super cheap bundle, do you reduce CV that has already been earned? Regional pricing differences make the equation even more complicated. Reducing CV for multiple copies sounds good at first consideration, but then you're drastically reducing the incentive for multiple copy giveaways which are often really good games.

Anyways, it's good to have this kind of discussion and try to evaluate potential solutions. I know you've said you don't want to depend on external tools, but I think that groups such as Playing Appreciated, Unlucky-7, custom SGTools, and your wishlist are currently your best bet for prioritizing a better winner for your giveaways.

I blacklisted some guys the "gave" each other popcap bundle years ago (I presume before they instituted the minimum 5 entries rule). People who have exploited to boost their levels like that should be banned or at least have their levels reset. I'd post who they are but I'm pretty sure that's against site rules.

Bump! Still up for discussion.

Bumpo one more time, because Fanatical brought the viva bundle back.

ratio and level both are considered for my <3 - you already there ofc

No reactions yet on the CV thingy from cg. Damn.

What about adding a $ RV / $ CV ratio just to set as a filter for giveaways?
The variable is there, and it should be possible to code rather easy.
I know I am able to do this by SGTools but I don't want to use it if I don't have to.

On a side note, while reading the discussions here, I can understand why people feel this way (the same way I feel when someone who gives no games and only wins, wins my giveaway), but it makes me really sad.

As a person struggling with poverty, I got so excited to see those cheap bundles, thinking I could give something back, get some CV and still not mess up my own life in the process. I'm not trying to complain or make anyone angry (though I'm aware some might see it that way).

The truth is...I am spending a lot of time and eyeing what little money I have, trying to figure out a good giveaway to do. When I can't struggle to even afford the necessities. The more time I spend around here, the more I start to feel...I dunno, a little down. Because I thought I WAS being generous and kind of giving something back. I see a ton of people winning many games and giving nothing. So dollar and sale bundles seemed like a good way to compromise.

But now I am learning a little that people are annoyed by that and don't like it at all. So I am eyeing all the keys I have sitting around and wondering...well, would it be better to give nothing at all? I don't know.

It seems people have different feelings on this, but some of them are definitely that bundle buyers are somehow 'scamming' the system. I didn't see it like that at all, I was simple excited to have an affordable way to give back.

Maybe that can be hard to understand if you have the spare budget to buy bigger games.

I love to give stuff away, I love to treat my friends, but lately I have had to learn that I cannot always do that...and still I struggle against it. So what can those of us with almost no budget do?

I don't know if there's a good answer to that. Sorry for the rambling, somewhat negative, comment!

With all those dolly jolly bundles poppin up back again, you can reach lvl 6 by spending 10$ today. GG Levelsystem.

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Lets revive this a wee bit, mostly because I'm salty about being kicked from Level 5.04 ("yay, finally here, lets plan some GA's!") back down to 4.50, because changing CV afterwards is fun.

What if CV got split into two categories? A somewhat double leveling system. One CV for giving away bundled games and another CV for fully priced games.

i feel that the best way is to get back the amount based on what u give out (real CV), also bundled games for every second copies onwards, the price should be drop to 1 cents?? idk. it will be quite funny and if people wants to farm, they can still do it but at a losing end, it also helps to ensure games are still given out.

so if you cannot go above the amount that u have given out, helps prevent leeching etc