When you obviously got more than you paid for, something is amiss, and if you're greedy it will bite you in the butt :)
Lovely how the community just says "well the bundle list just wasn't up to date, it's perfectly normal that your CV decreased", but when you buy a bundle with 1+1 game and you get 2+1 game then you don't even think about maybe, just maybe that extra key not belonging to you. And activate them, trade away, then being upset instead of wait for a situation that's suspicious. Then yelll customer rights, because customers are allowed to knowingly abuse systems if you personally net from it, but otherwise it's frowned upoin :D
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I'm not the "let's take advantage of everything" kind of user, but I agree with OP in this case. It's one thing to remove the keys from the Humble library of a user that hasn't used it. But removing them from the Steam library of users who have redeemed them (or received them in a giveaway or trade...). It doesn't fly in my book. Don't expect to see me anywhere near a Humble Monthly subscription anytime soon.
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They first removed it from the HB library, but they have caught on that people copied out the keys so they could still use them after they were removed.
Revoking them means the people who took them and stored them before they were removed can't use them.
I'm not sure what the best way to handle that could have been, but as far as we know it was 2K's decision, not HB's.
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Even if humble did not handle the problem in the best way possible, people got what they paid for.
And more importantly, those who say they will not subscribe to humble anymore etc. Good luck finding good deals, with HB you get your games half the price than steam or even better.
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The thing I hate most about threads like these, is that it's always full of people making terrible comparisons.
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Removing a duplicate game is like buying a plane and then running out of fuel while you're in the air.
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not really at all.. it would be like buying 1 of something, accidentally getting 2 of them.. then having the seller physically remove the item you never should have had.. Either way people were only entitled to a single key.. if they tried to profit off that mistaken second key.. they have nobody to blame but themselves..
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Just about every normal person's reaction is "I got two keys for NBA2017, that's weird". Some people followed that thought with "will Humble revoke this ?"
Anyone who immediately sought to profit off the mistake is just greedy
Yes, humble bundle screwed up, but it was blatantly obvious to everyone that they screwed up. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can honestly say they didn't think it was an error. Thereafter, yes, HumbleBundle should have communicated better, but cancelling one of the two keys is not unexpected. feel free to read the thread about the monthly; people fell into two camps, those that expected the key to get revoked and did nothing, and those who tried to use the other key as quick as they can, to get 2-for-the-price-of-one
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they accidentally sent you two keys and your first thought was to trade that key away.. It should have been.. man I need to contact support and let them know something whacky happened.. It was obvious to everyone it was an error and the likely outcome would have been one of the keys getting revoked..
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people still seem to not understand that humble didnt care answering / reacting to it in any time you should await if its an error.
aka if you contact support and get after days no reaction and they dont say anything themself either, you sure have to expect that it was an error. right? since now the customer has already to think for the company.
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sorry, if they are able to solve the issue within minutes, then not making any sort of statements in 2 days or not reacting on any emails related to it within 2 days is no excuse. sending a small email out or to make a statement for it on their website takes like few minutes. something like, sorry double keys got unintentionally sent out and hold back activating / giving them away till we resolved the issue.
from my side there is not a bit of understanding for Humble in this case. nor would i know why you should defend them, when they are clearly at fault for that.
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Ye they didn't communicate, but you still got what you paid for (1 copy of each game). Not their fault ppl immediately went crazy about trading/activating both NBA keys.
I'm waiting for them to revoke the key from my account and I'm ok with that cause I still got the other key hidden on my HB page
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it was a mistake, they corrected the mistake,, if you traded the key and got angry at Humble when they revoked it.. you're probably an entitled person.. Entitled people are a blight on society, they think they deserve everything for nothing.. Is it not enough you're getting one game which cost 17 dollars at it's lowest, and another that cost 20... why would anyone in their right mind expect them to give out two copies of the game.. Even on their first and second monthly bundle when they gave out Payday 2 twice, the users never got payday 2 the second time..
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if you buy one of something and accidentally get two of them.. knowing full well that mistakes happen and are almost always going to result in revoked keys.. why would anyone in their right mind, rush to trade a key which would almost assuredly get revoked.. a few companies honor pricing mistakes.. this wasn't a pricing mistake, this was a full fledged extra item.. No where did they promise an extra item, and frankly nobody is entitled to two keys for the price of one..
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Trying to identify with the OP's sense of outrage is like attempting to perform a Caesarian section in a wind tunnel using only KFC plastic cutlery, while farting a pitch perfect rendition of the Australian national anthem.
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All these arguments... :'D
site says u get 1 key and not multiple when u buy it... in most countries laws you are not supposed to keep accidentally given products... company giving no informations doesn't give the right for all this... i understand that people are upset, but if u think about it, it's consumers fault too for being blind because most orders went fine before...
at least people just could have wait to see what happens before trading, sending or activating key...
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If I had two keys, I wouldn't have given away the 2nd one. Sure it's their mistake, but sure as hell it's our or YOUR fault that assumed they wouldn't have done anything.
No mess would have been there if they hadn't been screwing up.
But no further mess would have been occurred had the duplicate keys been intact untouched by the buyers.
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consumers these days have rights but no brains... :P
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probably expected enough backlash from users that Humble would crumble and just give them two keys.. the same thing happens every time a pricing error arises.. people rush and buy up loads of copies of the game, then want to cry outrage when the company catches onto the error and fixes it.. Refunding money and revoking keys..
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While this situation does suck due to the delay before the actions taken (and lack of quick reply after trying to contact support), I hope people will remember this as a learning experience and take it as a warning sign for things that may come.
Where there is a digital paper-trail it doesn't always operate like it would in a physical retail setting despite the constant comparisons made. For instance, if you purchase an item from somewhere such as Amazon but you received a different product, if they somehow manage to track the misplaced item to you they can and sometimes will in fact pursue a return. Exclusively digital goods may not operate quite the same way, especially not where the erroneous item is of equal value or appears to be a simple error in your favor, but it is always best to err on the side of caution. Keys may seem immaterial but as a provider, Humble may still be charged per redeemed code (not a distribution insider here :P). Consider that these keys were revoked within 5 days of being given, even if you got met with an automated support response and no courtesy email was sent.
By all means, better communication on their part would have gone a long way here, by try to remember this all occurred well within a week. Unless the people you gifted the extra keys to were penalised, this doesn't seem like a subject deserving of such anger (much less the pointed in-fighting and blacklisting we have going on?). As I said, I hope people take this as a learning experience, and hopefully people who profit from trading or selling spare keys will reflect on this and consider being more cautious in the future. The previous steam marketplace and the gray markets have made people perhaps a little too comfortable in convenience trade/selling where the host companies never originally intended for these things to take place, so now is another reminder that we have to learn to tread more carefully as the scenery shifts, regardless of who is to blame or the validity of the source of the mistake. This whole thing might have been an inconvenience, but consider it a near-miss and try to see it in terms of bigger future issues avoided.
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Meanwhile Groupees gave people two keys for Gemini:Heroes Reborn - one for Germany and one worldwide, and had us keep both even though many people weren't German. I mean, say what you want about Groupees but at least they handled that gracefully.
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we are not entitled to get a second free copy
Actually, if you live in Europe, you probably are - most countries have "if buyer pays for something and shop sends too much of something, shop has no rights to take anything back without buyers goodwill" law in one form or another.
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In my country, if someone receives a wrong package, he's not responsible to returning it especially if it incurs delivery fees. But sure as hell he needs to give it back when the rightful owner comes knocking, because nobody would even help him if he resists.
Source: real life story.
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im pretty sure in some countries are no laws about such cases and so you can keep it... grey zone?
in germany you can't hold the product because you are not the legal owner... the seller can say you have to give back the product...
BUT like posted under me, there's a difference for digital procucts in some cases... didn't found anything about this... :/
i think consumer still have to give it back, wich would be a revoke in this case to avoid the usage of the licence...
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I don't think digital licenses are covered by that.
They are also not taking anything back. The extra license which shouldn't have been activated was disabled.
It's more akin to having an extra coupon and finding out when you try to use it that it was canceled.
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Wrong. It only applies if you didn't order anything.
If you're sent wrong item, you've to return it if asked to.
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that would require someone being so hard up or baggish that they would intentional file a lawsuit against a charity bundle site to sue them for removing a game they were never entitled to in the first place. I'm sure you could probably win said lawsuit in some countries, but what's the point of suing a charity website in the first place..
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considering in most countries, you do not own digital goods, that would be a hard sell to a court (outside of the EU)
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I received a reply from Humble Bundle Support
Hi there,
Thank you for contacting Humble Bundle Support. We did have an issue which mistakenly resulted in two keys showing for NBA2k17 in our August Monthly bundle. We have resolved this issue, however, since the key you should have received was redeemed by another account, we will need to revoke that key as well. This, unfortunately, will remove the game from your friend's account.
We will provide you with a new key for your use once that has completed. Is this the action you would like to take?
-Christina
Humble Bundle
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At least it happened with a crappy sports game! Hopefully Humble will treat their customers better and have learned from this :)
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I'm actually surprised people used both keys. Everyone knows the Humble Monthly consists of games worth over 100$. If they were to throw in 2x NBA + Pillars they wouldn't have to add anything else anymore. Really, two times NBA + a 1$ game would already do the trick.
When something that's obviously a mistake happens, give the company time to clear it up. If nothing happened for a week or so and support doesn't answer, then you can slowly think about touching the keys. Anything else is only gonna hurt both sides.
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God! HumbleBundle is the worst god damn company on this entire god damn planet. These little shit heads put together gaming bundles that I can purchase for $1 USD or pay more for better games. Then they have the nerve to ask me to pay $12 USD a month for a bundle of games that are worth $145 USD which usually includes some great titles?
AND ON TOP OF ALL THAT... they give me an extra game key that I know I should not have received... only to later revoke that game key? UNBELIEVABLE! #triggered.
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The scum of the earth! Good you two exposed them for what they really are! They even dare to offer a reasonable solution to the mess they created. Truly despicable, money-grubbing scumbags.
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Humble made a mistake and had every right to revoke the second game key. It's no different than going into a store and finding someones wallet on the counter - it's not yours and shouldn't be taken! People just rant and expect everything for free these days!
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That's really not the same thing. A more apt example would be you order an item online, but you get two of the item. Which has happened to me in the past (only I did not get 2, I got 4). Contacted the store, they thanked me for reporting it, said that I could keep the items and they gave me 5€ off on my next purchase for my honesty.. or because they wanted me to shop there again). That's usually how stores handle these kinds of things, they eat the loss. Every single time I've got the wrong item, or the wrong amount of an item, the stores have just told me to keep the thing, even if it's not a cheap item.
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Was it something material or digital? Because, you know, returning physical item is too troublesome. Few shops will make fuss about returning of single item that costs less than 1-2k$
And of course, revoking keys is a completely different situation. Most importantly, it's not mistake with one order, I don't know certain number, but it should be counted in thousands. This was pretty huge loss and solution was easily achievable.
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Material, but most larger shops can easily just send you a return form to print out, which is what they do if you want to return an item. At least larger stores do it like this.
Also, in the past, when stores have set the wrong discounts, they've, with a single exception that I know of (and that was a store that went belly up just after, so they can't have been in a good economic shape), either let you keep the game, or offered you some form of compensation. Gamer's Gate ended up revoking a lot of skyrim keys, but they did end up compensating everyone who bought the keys with a stacking discount that lasted for a long time. The other case where I know of a store having revoked keys was the Civ VI sale recently.
The GG approach would probably be the right one for Humble in this case, they caused some grief for some customers, so they should give some for of compensation, even if it's not letting you keep the keys, a 3-month stacking discount on the store or something like that would work.
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And again. There is difference. In most countries GG's position in this situation - illegal, scammer-like. Because certain deal is involved, and there is no any buyer's fault or abuse here. Shop sets price, customer agrees with this price and starts transaction. So, this is legal agreement with certain terms. Did you see somewhere on HB something about TWO NBAs in monthly? No, of course. It wasn't part of legal deal, it wasn't even expected by anyone. That's more like "customer saw more than he should"-case. Grief? Not funny. Grief about something that doesn't belong to you, without any rights on it.
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Well no, not if the price is "too low", there's in many cases a clause in consumer protection laws regarding prices too good to be true. If the price is lower than you could reasonably expect, where it's realistic that the consumer would know that the price is too low, then the seller is allowed to cancel the deal (if, of course, they refund the money). And this is why GG could have got away with just revoking the keys, and why GamesRepublic did get away with revoking their Civ 6 keys without there being any legal trouble.
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Depends on country, it seems. I haven't heard about such laws before, which can annulate deal because low price. Seller sets price himself and obliged to sell item by named price, certain price. Laws in Russia are pretty precise with this. There are some tricky ways to circumvent the law, but that's another matter.
Law about "too low price" looks a bit blurry, is it specified somewhere with concrete numbers or something like that? How it can be specified at all? Or just any seller in any situation can legally annulate completed deal because "Well, we messed up with price, sorry, bye!"
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Law about "too low price" looks a bit blurry, is it specified somewhere with concrete numbers or something like that? How it can be specified at all? Or just any seller in any situation can legally annulate completed deal because "Well, we messed up with price, sorry, bye!"
It's not specified, it assumes a degree of common sense on the end of the consumer and the company itself. And while it's popular for people to smugly say that most people are stupid and have no common sense, that's not really true. Most people can tell when a price is considerably lower than it should be. And it's in the companies best interest to not abuse this (or heck, in most cases even use it), as it builds badwill.
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Here we have law that allows shops to cancel order if it's obvious that low price was result of employee mistake (so like trying to sell something for 200€ instead of 2000€ or 6€ instead of 60€)
And shops always use it, I didn't hear single example when shop would allow people to keep such "deals".
Edit: I'm browsing forum with law advices and there is law that forces people to send back stuff they didn't pay for, as it's "unrightful enrichment". So they may allow you to keep stuff worth few €, but demand sending back everything that is more valuable.
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Yeah, that's more or less how the law works here as well. Although here most stores will eat the loss unless it's a really big one. Some companies, like Amazon, seems to have the policy of pretty much always eating the loss.
To my knowledge, stores need to pay for postage when they want something returned, or at least they always do, because they don't want it to result in a lot of badwill.
The norm is that you get some kind of voucher or such as compensation for your trouble though, at least if the item has already been sent and you need to return it yourself.
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"A Steam Product code you activated has been removed from your account."
That is what Steam has sent me and my NBA 2k17 is gone.
I have contacted Humble Bundle's support to sort it out, it's not my fault if they messed up with the keys! I'm one of those who received two keys, gave one and used the other...
Anyone else having the same issue?
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