I just had an argument with some coworker about how to pronounce GIF.
So I noticed that there's a lot of people that like to say it like JIF and some GIF in my office.

I'm surprised about how that soft or hard g argument is still there nowdays.

So I'm curious about you guys, how do you pronounce it?
And if you can, Why you do it like that? There's any reason or explanation you can tell?

Personally I pronounce GIF (Hard G)

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How do you pronounce GIF?

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How is a G ever a J? If only people would use the phonetic alphabet like it's meant to instead of making up how to say letters for every word.

Also people aren't saying JIF as JIF either since they think a J is a Z, so it's ZIF.

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Blame naming conventions - Jerry & Gerry, Geoff and Jeff, George and Jorge (hehe)

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Also, words like giraffe.
Personally, I say whatever I think of at that time. Mainly GIF, not JIF

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Gin?

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Sure, especially with grapefruit juice to make it taste good, not tonic to make it disgusting.

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Hmm. Haven't tried the grapefruit but i do enjoy tonic in my gin and a bit of lemon juice.

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GT is the only cocktail where the mixer tastes so bad it's necessary to add alcohol to it to make it drinkable. That was the only way they got Brits to take their malaria medicine in India.

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Most tonic is mediocre at best. Better to use mineral water and then add bitters if you need additional flavor.

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Yeah i guess guinine tonic, used for treating and preventing malaria, tasted really bitter and that's why british started mixing it with gin to make it more easily drinkable. Still the amount of guinine in today's tonic water is way less than those days and it usually also has extra sweeteners, so it ain't that bitter. You can't really compare the tonic water used for treating/preventing malaria then with the market ones today.

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To me that makes as much sense as using pee as the mixer, just diluted with enough sugar water so it doesn't taste like pee any more. Why add the pee to begin with if you only wanted the sugar water and don't like how actual pee tastes. There is a reason why our national drink is trending everywhere we manage to export it to. :)

http://www.originallongdrink.com/

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That's kind of an exaggeration. Why someone puts sugar in his coffee? He may not like the taste of black coffee but enjoy it with a bit of sugar. :)
Also the description of this soft drink is wrong. It's more like grapefruit soda with Finnish gin, not the opposite. 5,5vol? Seriously? :P

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Then they are just wrong and their opinion is worthless, obviously. Not as wrong as people who put cream in theirs but still. :P

It's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooongcatdrink, meant to be refreshing in summer heat while allowing you to drink as many as you want without getting drunk, like beer. If you want a more manly cocktail, I can recommend our very local specialty with 2dl of 80% vodka and 5dl of energy drink. Couple of those is a great start for an evening.

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xD
I wouldn't say no to something refreshing on a hot day (what's the average temperature of a hot day in Finnland?), i was just surprised that a drink with gin had only so little alcohol. ^^
I would definitely try that even if i usually prefer my drinks neat.

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20c or so. What has gin have to do with the alcoholic content of a canned long drink that you buy in 6-24packs? For something more surprising about it, this year is the first time it has been allowed to be sold in supermarkets here and not just our alcohol monopoly.

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I saw finnish gin and i supposed it was gin. Never seen or tasted any of those things you posted so i would like you to excuse my ignorance. ^^

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These are Finnish gins:
http://www.goodnewsfinland.com/finnish-gin-selected-as-best-in-world-2/
http://www.goodnewsfinland.com/arctic-blue-gin-wins-big-germany/

Especially the latter is absolutely awesome, so good not even tonic can ruin it. :)

"You can really experience the moment of a morning dew in a wild bilberry forest in our gin", it also taught me that what we call blueberry is bilberry elsewhere and what others call blueberry is bush blueberry here that's considered much inferior in taste and nutrients.

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I will try to find and taste that arctic blue and since not even tonic can ruin it, coming from you, i have one more reason to do so. ;)

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Please be gentle - there are quite a few genius words working that way. :D
Luckily this isn't one of them

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Shout-out to everyone who watched the last Devolver Digital E3 Panel ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

On a more serious note - there's a nice read on the topic: https://gizmodo.com/the-creator-of-the-gif-says-its-pronounced-jif-he-is-509179289

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You saved me time to look it up. I still say it 'gif' but I know it kinda should be 'jif' ;)

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Same. I know he's the creator, but I still use the hard "g" sound. Give me another word beginning with "gif" that uses the "j" sound, and maybe then you'll have a point. Otherwise, you're simply being arbitrary and counter-intuitive.

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The you in the second part of your comment is the general you, right? :) Because, as you stated at the beginning, we are in the same position. I would blame the amalgamate that is called English language. Just look how 'oo' is pronounced in book, flood and door.

English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
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The you in the second part of your comment is the general you, right? :)

Both instances of "you" in my response were general.

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Yup. That's what i meant :)
First part had no "you" at all :)

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It's an acronym, not a word, which is like essentially like a person's name, so it doesn't have to follow "rules." The creator get to decide how it's pronounced (like Jeff or Geoff). I used to pronounce GIF with a hard G, then I found out I was wrong and now I pronounce it as intended.

I don't understand why so many people stick to pronouncing it wrong after finding out how it's supposed to be pronounced. It would be like if I read your name out loud pronouncing it wrong and you correct me, but I stick to my pronunciation anyway.

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I don't think the creator gets the right to impose incorrect pronunciation. He/she may express his/her wishes, but we have the right to disagree. Otherwise, the world would be full of trolling names. Like if I called my creation "shittin" but insisted that it should be pronounced "shining". Or if someone took a word like "gift", removed the "t" and told everyone that it should now be pronounced with a "j" :)

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It's not an incorrect pronunciation. The letter G has two pronunciations, soft and hard, and the creator named it being pronounced with a soft G. Your example is incorrect because you are spelling one word (shittin) and and insisting it's pronouncing like another word (shining), such as naming your kid Tesldikth and saying it's pronounced "Bob."

If your name was Geff and pronounced with a soft G (as in Jeff), wouldn't you correct people if they pronounced it wrong? After you informed them how it's supposed to be pronounced, how would you feel if they insisted they were wright and you are wrong? As I said, I used to pronounce GIF with a hard G, then I found out it's supposed to be pronounced with a soft G, so I accepted my mistake and pronounce it correctly instead of standing my ground and insisting I'm right.

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It's an acronym, not a word, which is like essentially like a person's name, so it doesn't have to follow "rules." The creator get to decide how it's pronounced (like Jeff or Geoff).

Although you do make valid points, your analogy is faulty, and your logic therefore false.

Yes, we are talking about an acronym rather than a word, however, being an acronym does not essentially make it "like a person's name." And while there are no specific rules in the pronunciation of acronyms (as opposed to initialisms), there is nothing which says a particular person is able to dictate the pronunciation of any particular acronym. Moreover, introducing and popularizing the phrase (Graphics Interchange Format) along with its acronym (GIF) does not constitute "ownership" of it. Acronyms are not children who must necessarily be under the wing of a guardian, and even human children may change their name and/or its pronunciation upon reaching maturity.

What does all of that mean? Only that a "generally accepted" pronunciation does not yet exist.

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OK, I looked for two, I think, most accepted dictionaries: Oxford and Merriam-Webster. Both of them accept both forms of pronunciation which means both are correct ;)
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gif
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/GIF
I am sure philologists still have hot debates over it though. So this might change with time...

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But it stands for Graphics Interchange Format. Graphics has a hard G. It's not Jraphics Interchange Format.

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Giraphics.

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This has always been my position. If the acronym was Giant Interchange Format I would say Jif, Hard G in the word the G stands for gets a hard G in my book.

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Well sometimes you gotta acknowledge that even the creator of something can be just plain wrong about it. This is one of the times.

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If you've ever read some of J.K. Rowling's more recent tweets, you know that statement to be true.

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Just went to her twitter to look for what you were referring to but I still have no idea. Please enlighten me? I'd love to know! (Or do you mean like, in general? The typical "making shit up after the fact"?)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKxpwlKRQ2U

In reality, she's basically said some absurd things about the characters' attributes that don't align at all with the original books like Hermione could have been black in the books, despite descriptions pointing out her paleness. She's hinted at other retcons which you can probably find online.

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Yeah, sorry. I just meant in general. She's constantly retconning on twitter and event pottermore, screwing up stuff she should well have left alone.

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Your G is so hard you forgot the obligatory gift ;)

(Jokes... or is that Gokes?)

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They seem to be Spanish so it's Hokes.

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Jokey Dokey!

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Don't worry. Take the Jift for you ;D

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GIF means Graphics Interchange Format. So the G should sound the same as in "Graphics".

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Yes, this! I love those giraffes, though.

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I treat it as a silent G.

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"IF"?

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xkcd ftw!

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That's pretty great.
And of course it's "humble."

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JIF is peanut butter

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Not in Australia and New Zealand - it's a powerful household abrasive cleaning (alkaline) liquid here and you definitely don't want that on your bread.

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I pronounce it gif (with the g sound) but I believe the creator of the word said it was pronounced "Jif."

I just grew up hearing it as gif and never the other way around. I'd feel weird to suddenly start pronouncing the J.

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In my local language, the pronunciation is "JIF", which turns out to be the proper pronunciation according to GIF's creator anyway.

The pronunciation of PNG is interesting too

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Why do you find it interesting? I don't really see other alternatives ;

An acronym is an abbreviation of several words in such a way that the abbreviation itself forms a pronounceable word - like with gif where at least without a slavic heritage can read it out as at least it has a vowel in it. Or not sounding it like Punjab with a heavy accent I think PNG is just a simple abbreviation - and in case of gif, "gif" doesn't really work, and the "g stands for graphical" doesn't really stand, or else the FBI would be FB-ee... I doubt there are any rules in this field that are not being canceled out by other examples :D

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Why do you find it interesting

Because, as far as I remember, the creator says it should be pronounced "ping", which is a bit... unexpected (and I very rarely heard it pronounced that way)

the "g stands for graphical" doesn't really stand, or else the FBI would be FB-ee

Good point

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Thanks for the info, that wasn't mentioned in the pronunciation part of the wiki. Now I see what you meant :)

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lol, you looked too far! It's in the first phrase of the intro ;)

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So many references and links that I really didn't even notice the PING in the first row. I expected at least a note that creator said that :D also need new glasses/eyes

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And here we have proof that super technical comp sci people aren't linguists. ;)

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Historical rules also apply. Otherwise, why not "Tchicago"? If the creator of the word says it's pronounced some way, it just has to count no matter how weird it is. People who disagree can just go create their own city or their own image compression algorithm, and name it however they please... until someone decides it should absolutely be butchered, because linguist

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Fine, I'll just create my own image compression algorithm. With blackjack! And hookers! ;)

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In fact, forget about the image compression algorithm 👀🤖

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For FBI you pronounce each letter F-B-I. You don't try to make a single word out of it, because that would be Fbye or Fbee, which is ridiculous.

If you did the same for GIF, it would be G-I-F. But no one pronounces the individual letters, they read it as a word, thus they say Gif as in Gift - or, Jif as in... Jiff, but those people are obviously wrong. ;)

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It's like people saying "sequel" instead of "S-Q-L".
I've been a software developer working with SQL for over 25 years, and the first time I ever heard it pronounced "sequel" was a year ago in a Udemy ad.

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I actually hear Sequel for SQL a lot. I'd say it's actually close to 50/50 from my experience on whether someone pronounces it SQL or Sequel, and often people even alternate between the two - saying SQL at one point and Sequel at another.

These acronyms really weren't designed with much thought to how people would actually pronounce them. I've never heard anyone call JPEG anything other than JayPeg, but likewise I've never heard anyone call PNG anything other than P-N-G. Certainly not Ping.

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F B I are the letters F B and I no sounds involved.

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JIF? Gokes! haha!

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Jif and wow, there are dozens uf us, dozens !!!!

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I think I would use it with hard G mostly because my language uses that one as well, but I'm not 100% sure I ever had to say it out loud in English.

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How do you pronounce "Giraffe? "

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Easy, with a Ž

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We Slavs have it the best, don't we.

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And yet, Adelung was a German. Interesting, right?

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he said hard....snicker snicker

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But is the D in that hard or soft?

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It's really hard

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Gyrafefe !

You're welcome!

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And as a creator you are allowed to make up words

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Words evolve over time, though, to take on new meanings, spellings, and pronunciations that their creators had never intended.

And, let's face it, the comp sci / mathematics majors who come up with these acronyms are hardly masters of linguistics. The pronunciations that they come up with are often laughable. But to them, I think that may be partly the point. It's kind of a joke (probably to piss off English majors), like all the recursive acronyms.

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Well sometimes you gotta acknowledge that even the creator of something can be just plain wrong about it. This is one of the times. :P

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Gif of course!

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Jif in English. It's an acronym which makes up a pronounceable 'word'. Otherwise it should be pronounced by letters like BBC (as opposed to NATO).

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But in English, if it was pronounced as individual letters, G-I-F, then it would have the soft G sound in Giraffe. Saying it as a word, Gif, would make for a hard G, as in Gift.

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ГИФ

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This is the correct answer

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I say GIF, not JIF.

But... How do you pronounce Gilgamesh?

It's the oldest "GI" name I'm aware of. Of course, not english!

Anyway, I don't think english wording rules apply 100% do GIF as it's an acronym.

The fact that its creator named it "JIF" as a sole argument to hold it as a "canon" way to say it actually makes me think of an essentialist point of view, which would hould it as a general rule and "right" way to say, but if we approach it with pretty much any other view, it's the rule of "how it's used" that counts, now how it was made to be used.

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According to FF XII(English), like this.

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I'm Dutch, so I say it with a Dutch G. Imagine Goldmember saying it. Just like that.

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It's a trap!

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