Who is illegal occupant in your vision?
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Israel on Wednesday targeted the western port area of Gaza with several white phosphorus bombs, resulting in hundreds of cases of suffocation, Palestinian medical sources said.
The sources confirmed the attack led to hundreds of Palestinians suffering from suffocation, with a significant number of them being transported to hospitals, while others received on-site medical treatment.
Most of the injuries were observed among children and the elderly, particularly those with pre-existing respiratory conditions, according to the sources.
White phosphorus bombs are internationally prohibited under the 1980 Geneva Convention, which explicitly forbids their use as incendiary weapons against both humans and the environment.
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1st of all this is just plain propaganda, there are no proof they used white phosphorus.
And second of all it is not banned as a chemical weapon under international conventions.
Stop spreading lies and propaganda on a gaming site.
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White phosphorus is widely considered a war crime when used in high population density areas. While it hasn't been confirmed (and has been denied by Israel), video and eyewitness accounts say otherwise.
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I will say the same thing I said about the Ukrainian thread. This doesn't belong on a gaming site.
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just because something is allowed doesnt mean its appropriate
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i agree with this - this a mainly gaming site not a world news site
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Good thing that this thread serves as a singular place to consolidate all that content that you dislike, so you can stay away from it, right?
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i guess it's not that it's not important but gaming sties should stay away from this sort of thing
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Gaming sites also have a lot of people on them, with lots of varying opinions.
Hence why the rules and design tends to be to find the best happy medium.
...which we have right here, by having an off-topic subforum to allow the exclusively gaming-focused users to avoid clutter, and then a devoted thread to the subject to further reduce exposure to the grim subject. Because even if it were to be banned outright, that would just cause it to crop up in random places, cause work for the moderators, and fan discontent and increase tension. Whereas the existance of this thread in its correct place, means that those who are not interested can easily avoid it...
...and be on your merry way!
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These threads are always done by people who don't even use the site for giveaways, or haven't for years. It's asinine.
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Not always, the creator of the Ukraine Awareness Thread does giveaways.
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can i ask why? i saw ukraine thread its allowed. BTW i remember you from playblink good to see you after a long time buddy.
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Because many will say Russia is the bad guy and Ukraine can do nothing wrong in peoples eyes and they have not started with something to lure certain reactions.
Palestina started with something very horrible, and yes they are trapped, feel like they been pushed, you can give them all sorts of excuses but they did some brutal things, how did they came with so much rockets and weapons? And why not have just spend that on good things?
That started all this and will most likely not end very soon, Isreal will go on a war path to try to end this once and for all.
It's not just Ukraine, it's not this war, we are driven into many wars, and i got my "conspiracy theories" but trust me most countries/organizations (USA/EU/NATO) are thriving on these wars, the whole world has to go into this chaos.
I don't even remember playblink (but that's just my vague memory and getting old(er)), anyway nice to meet you again.
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Spend on Good things such as? hospitals,schools,universities everything requires permission from Israeli goverment or foreign aid. They can cut supply of anything anytime like they did recently and Yes i agree (USA/NAVO/EU) are thriving on wars.
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They can't, but yet managed to get massive amounts of rockets/weapons etc, how then?
What others said, some people had some sympathy for them, even some dutch political figures, our minister of finances has a husband from palestina and on pictures with Arafat (and she's being quiet, the hideous person she always been) but their last action is simply just terrorism and not in any way justifiable.
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Ok lets talk about last actions they just dropped phosphorus bomb(which is a war crime/terrorism). I mean one side got proper military/airfoce/navy otherside is not allowed to have any military/airforce/navy.
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They started it, in a very big brutal way, that's all i am going to say and what others kept saying to you, and you trying to defend all this, but i am stepping out.
I am not in the mood to step in some flamewar landmine.
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Man this very big brutal way is happening with Palestinians for 50 years. I am not defending the killing of Israel or Palestine. Thanks for contributing your point of view.
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Yes, and there has never been a peaceful resolution nor there will be, this was a kettle/pot that was about to explode, and there won't be a peaceful solution for Ukraine/Russia, why do they refuse to just negotiate peace instead of just throwing their people to the slaughter?
Same with USA/Russia and the decades of cold war, and probably many more that i can't just think out of my head.
Wish you gooid luck with this thread.
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How you can "negotiate peace" with terrorists? Imagine someone steal your wallet, you claim that as stealing, and thief start talking about "peace deal" - you forget about your wallet, claim it never was yours and you "peacefuly" go back to your stuff, and there is ONLY option he will agree, all other he will claim only as escalation.
Next day he will steal your bike and you will have to "negotiate peace" in the same way. Next day he steal your car, next day - your kitchen, your bedrom, then wife, then kids. And you can't use any weapon, because police says "No! this will be escalation! Do you refuse to just negotiate peace???"
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yes, but you are supporting the bad guys. That's the main difference.
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Hope you're just kidding. Otherwise, you are plainly supporting an ongoing crime against humanity.
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So people died/captured on music festival was not humans. Ok. Got it.
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They were. Humans, just as the people dying under the unlawful, criminal bombing and for the lack of food, water, electricity and medicines right now because of the siege. Blind revenge is for animals, it is not acceptable for a 'civilized nation', let alone for who describes themselves as "the light unto the nations". Otherwise, you are implicitly justifying Hamas' attack, because even that barbaric attack was driven by revenge for decades of deprivations, spoliations, humiliations, and unlawful killings.
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thanks, mr terrorist, for letting me know what i am implicitly justifing and what not.
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"mr terrorist" to who?! And why? Hope you are just out of your mind, right now. Do you know you are not allowed calling names here in the forum? And, more in general, that you are not allowed spreading hate and having a toxic behaviour? I assume you will offer your apologies, Sir.
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So I am for you. I guess your life as a racist and genocide supporter shouldn't be truly happy and fulfilling.
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Hope you are just out of your mind, right now. Do you know you are not allowed calling names here in the forum? And, more in general, that you are not allowed spreading hate and having a toxic behaviour? I assume you will offer your apologies, Sir.
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Oh boy, you were calling names. I was just observing facts. That makes a lot of difference. Sir.
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Yeah, sure. How about we also talk about babies beheaded in their cribs? About young girls and old women being kidnapped and possibly murdered? At this very moment, politics has become irrelevant. Terrorists are terrorists, and if not for their actions, peaceful Palestinians wouldn't remain without water and electricity and wouldn't be killed by Israel as well. These events are absolutely terrifying, deaths of civilians, both Israeli and Palestinian, are equally tragic. But I can't understand how any semi-decent person could try to justify terrorists' actions.
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I cant justify the killings of both sides but they just want their occupied land back.
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Yes, but this will turn into a massive flame war, many political discussions had to be closed down, i am also under opinion that Ukraine thread should have been closed but then i got a flame war over it myself, then you are a nazi/facist etc you know.
Trust me, this isn't the site for anything political, we can't.
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i am also under opinion that Ukraine thread should have been closed but then i got a flame war over it myself
IIRC you got flak for expressing your displeasure about the sheer existence of this thread, instead of just ignoring it and despite the fact, that you opened thousands of threads about yourself, i remember the recent 5 threads about your cat, because one obviously wasn't sufficient
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/8acBBjf I am not the only one...And because the sheer hypocrisy how many of the other conflicts (the women in iran that got murdered, Syria, Lybia etc) not get any attention or a thread either not to mention again most got closed in the past because we can't keep it civil here.
I had one about my decision to keep the cat or not, then the cat got sick, then it was gone and just wanted to share the aftermath,
a) You can't count, b) i can't just all put it in 1 because all topics where about something else, c) Many actually appreciated the updates,i t's called caring, something you are perhaps unfamiliar with, just like the recent topic of someone's cat that died.
So bye bye, take some prosac, maybe that helps.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/8acBBjf I am not the only one...
and he got the same flak for not just ignoring this thread, what's you point beyond personal attacks?
And because the sheer hypocrisy how many of the other conflicts (the women in iran that got murdered, Syria, Lybia etc) not get any attention or a thread either not to mention again most got closed in the past because we can't keep it civil here.
Why are you changing the topic and trying to distract? It doesn't changes the fact, that you got flak for expressing your displeasure about the sheer existence of one thread, instead of just ignoring it and despite the fact, that you opened thousands of threads about yourself.
I had one about my decision to keep the cat or not, then the cat got sick, then it was gone and just wanted to share the aftermath,
a) You can't count,
Obviously it's you who couldn't count
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/50Mkc/goodbye-my-love-maybe-for-forever-added-pictures-of-her-in-her-new-home
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/5uULN/another-cat-question-bowy-will-go-the-vet
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/3a0Mx/my-cat
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/qh3CI/bowy-1-extra-picture-below-sitting-with-me-on-the-desk-2-extra-giveaways-by-kind-donators
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/tOJvW/diaries-of-a-cat-man-snowie-already-passed-away
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/8dtLh/meow
and that are just the threads i found with a quick look
b) i can't just all put it in 1 because all topics where about something else
the Ukraine Awareness Thread manages to get all war events in 20 months in one thread and you tell me you need one extra thread for every different event?
c) Many actually appreciated the updates
and many people appreciate the updates in the Ukraine Awareness Thread
i t's called caring, something you are perhaps unfamiliar with, just like the recent topic of someone's cat that died.
So bye bye, take some prosac, maybe that helps.
Whats your point beyond personal attacks again?
My point still stands, you're maintaining double standards between threads you dislike and your own threads
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Okay, maybe has it has been more but i really struggled to hell and back about all around it, still do and still about other things that are just not of your business (and hey not even throwing out on the forum).
MANY POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN CLOSED IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE COULDN'T KEEP IT CIVIL, PURE AND SIMPLE, so your point is very mute, don't believe me? Your job to find them, not mine.
My point is the same as the whole woke crap, even about the corona vaccins how you are so easily pushed into an antivaxxer and left woke or a right facist/nazi, that's my point and also in that ukraine thread, just because i am of thought that this isn't the right place, doesn't make me automatically a putin lover, and even what if, such minority groups these days enforcing their laws and wants on others.
I ignored the thread, so why do you even bother to drag it still up? If you got nothing to say, say nothing at all.
Who started with personal attacks? You,, just like the user below you are just one of those types that don't like me, i don't care and it's fine, already had you blacklisted and must have been have had a very good reason..
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just because i am of thought that this isn't the right place
but it's the right place to tell everyone about your life?
How would have someone been called, if they had come into on of your cat topics and expressed their displeasure about them?
I ignored the thread, so why do you even bother to drag it still up?
you didn't, even if you deleted all your posts after you stirred things up, doesn't mean you never posted there and i brought it up, because it think you tried to alter the story, hide some facts and playing the victim
Who started with personal attacks? You,, just like the user below you are just one of those types that don't like me
I just stated some facts very objectively, if you already see this as a personal attack idk how you react with real personal attacks and insults.
As i said, the Ukraine Awareness thread managed to get 20 months of war events in one thread, but you need an extra thread for every event. You can see it as objective criticism, idk where you see, that i don't like you personally.
already had you blacklisted and must have been have had a very good reason..
you even see objective criticism as a very good reason...
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Yes this is and can be the place for it, someone else said his cat died, someone even asked with a poll to buy a bundle or not? Why because a majority are friendly helpful people and a few even care about me, this is definitely not the same forum anymore as 7 years ago, or even 4 where and when everything could have been said.
The people here now, don't want conflicts, they want to help where they can (so many that offer even to get on steam for a private talk to someone in need), read about deals and bundles, about games, and that's it.
Do you know when you don't have anyone to spill out your gal, even a moment when your mother quit on you? I hope you never will feel that complete isolation and loneliness, trust me, it's hell (on top of all the crap i got over me the last few months).
Were it many threads? Maybe, granted but i can be a chatty person and as i said, some actually did care about the updates which again could not fit in 1 thread.
And trust me you don't know even half of it, nor have i posted it, people that say i made thousand threads are just full of nonsense, most have been always been puzzles, simple and clear, i done so many weekly jigidi's, music puzzles, etc even advent events, but lately bundles been crap, finances are thight so there are less giveaways.
I deleted the posts because of the crap storm indeed, so what? But i never been there since and ignored it, didn't i? So again mute point.
You weren't blacklisted for no reason, and never ever about criticism if you want to believe that, i can handle that.
I usually do that only to people that are being a jackass to me or others, or both, so you probably been have in the past.
I am nice to people that are nice back, if you act like a jerk to me or have been i will treat you the same, and i can be totally forgiving, if someone asks me to remove them i usually do, i usually even forgot the reasoning even, and if you want to shake hands on things, i am open.
Back then it was all about Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, so don't give me that excuse and if i ignored it for over a year now or so? Then how the hell would i even know? Also then don't call it the Ukraine awareness thread but Global conflict awareness thread or whatever.
To conclude i only started giving him (and others did too) a fair warning that this is probably a thread that would (again) result into something bad, that was all and then i would have ignored this too and stepped out, but then people found reasons to grab me on it else i would have been long gone, playing a game, bedtime soon.
I am really stepping out of this.
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I don't like a single thread that you created before? However do you come up with those words even?
Don't bother to explain because i don't even know the reasoning behind that.
Sympathies for your dog.
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Yeah, sure, it's a site for tons of your shitposts and discussing your personal problems. God forbid we decide to talk about anything that's actually important.
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I only see several shitposts, and they are coming from yourself.
I been in sheer pure hell the last 2 months (maybe more, and still am a bit, most is over) no people around me, 1000 people on my whitelist, people that appreciate me, lovely friendly helpful people here that hel, listen etc, anyone (not just me) sorry that you can't be just one of them, your problem, not mine.
If you are so stupid and blind and blissfully ignorant how many political discussions always been closed down from corona to woke to other wars (or the many bombings in the past) because we can't keep it civil here then go do something with yourself (i want to say something worse with a F, but i'll be better then you and i don't want a suspension over you).
Honoring your nickname, go see some shrink and seek professional help, you are definitely psycho.
Leave me the fuck alone.
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That's not what I was saying though, and you know it perfectly well. And yeah, I guess, only a radical Islamist mind can decide that sadistic murders of babies can somehow help in any struggle (no offense to civilized Muslims intended). All it does is produce intense hatred in anyone who's not a completely deranged asshole.
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Did you know how many children died in GAZA by the bombardment of illegal occupants in last 50 years? These people u call radical islamists were also normal people but they faced high level brutality/torture by Israeli forces. Remember they took the one-way ticket there was no coming back normal happy person living freely never do such things. Again i cant justify the killings on both sides its wrong.
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West make billions of dollars to flow in GAZA, build infrastructure, schools, hospitals water supply. Do you ask yourself where is it? And why governors of this state are so rich? For example: Russian Federation is considered the reachest country for minerals in the world, but their people now have to go to kill other people in other countries only to pay kredits and bills, why is that?
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Who says it's anyone's land? It all split up because of one thing, religious people being unable to accept other religions and accept two states properly.
If we look at it from that point of view Jewish people where there first but it's never that simple seeing as most major religions did that but the difference is that Catholicism is not as strict and most catholic countries allow all religions and I still don't like it and think religion has no place in politics and state and countries without freedom of religion all suck. Any Muslim/person who supports Hamas is not a good Muslim, any Jew who supports the actions of the IDF and the Israeli government is a bad Jew/person.
With that being said, what Israel does to the people of Gaza is definitely absolutely wrong in general but being stubborn about who's land it is sadly mostly hurts the people of Gaza and Palestine so I fully understand why people want to free Palestine but still, neither of them are in the right.
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Actually false. They just want to destroy all Jews and all of Israeli state. They were offered around 50% of the land in 1948, but did not accept. Israel did accept therefore palestinians are stateless to this day. Proves something to me. Palestinians never wanted peace since it is stated in the quran that the "unbelievers" should be exterminated, probably especially jews.
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How about we also talk about babies beheaded in their cribs?
Fake news posted by an unprofessional journalist, Nicole Zedek from i24, that was later refuted by the IDF and withdrawn by the same 'journalist' after a while.
BTW, nobody is justifying terror acts. But you need to dig down to the reasons that drove the situation at the tipping point. And the main reason is that Israel is violating human rights from 70 years on, vilifying and brutalizing Palestinian people and their rights every single day, in every single spot in that land. That must be stopped if we want a true and just peace in the region.
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Literally all of those claims weren't backed by evidence, and both American and Israeli media eventually apologized for spreading them without fact-checking them from the Israeli army sources.
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I did not have an opinion on the Islaeli-Arab conflict until the recent events. Now I do have one. Those graphic videos of atrocities committed in the name of Allah, those butchered families and decapitated babies, those animal-like faces of palestinian barbarians shouting "Allahu akbar" while doing their sadistic shit speak for themselves.
This evidence is impossible to ignore. There is no place on Earth for people who are capable of doing acts like that.
P.S. I've seen your comment that "you can't justify the killings of both sides". On both sides? Bombing terrorist structures vs cutting babies' heads off - those are "killings on both sides" in your opinion? Then I have nothing else to say to you.
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They are fighting for their illegally occupied land and they are the terrorists? i cant comment on beheading babies because its only on few western media even the hamas leader denied the claim. Again death of a single civilian person is wrong on any side but its happening with Palestinian poeple for last 50 years.
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Exactly. If I had been ask about my position a month ago, I'd probably abstain but also express sympathy towards Palestinian's struggle. Well, no more. And just to be clear: I said that dead civilians on both sides are a horrible thing, but I didn't mean that both sides are equally responsible, of course: Israel is cornered and literally has no choice but to defend itself.
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Defend? its defending against a side with no military/airforce/navy?
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It's defending against organized savages that are barely human, sure. They are brutal and merciless, and they should be annihilated before they murder more innocents. It's as simple as that. That might surprise you, but some weird states actually care for safety of its citizens.
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Dont you get it they created these savages. They made them brutal and merciless. Citizens of occupied land? comon
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Don't you get it? It doesn't matter anymore. History doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter who occupied or didn't occupy whom anymore. This massacre made any claim and any sympathy void, Hamas's just turned Palestine into an absolute monster in the eyes of all the civilized world. They are not getting anything. They are not winning anything. It's a senseless bloodbath. And you've written a long post to explain how it's justified.
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You think its senseless.You should ask that to Ukrainians,disputed Kashmiris and Palestinians. No one likes ''Trespassing'' or forced expulsion from their own land.
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9/11? dont drag it here its scenario and complication were different. You can make another topic for it. Again i cant justify the killing of innocent people.
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Ehm, you didn't create this thread a year ago, you didn't create it a month ago, you've decided to express your support to Palestine cause right after an insanely horrible act of terrorism by Hamas. It IS an attempt to justify it. It can't be read in any other way. And no, i don't think there's anything to discuss. There's no such a thing as acceptable acts of terrorism. That's what I'm talking about below: culture and value difference. You consider murder (of infants, who cares) an acceptable way of solving a political dispute. I just don't.
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Its is a war crime and violation of international law but both side are killing innocent children(intentionally or unintentionally). Why only pointing out one side.
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but, but, but....so if they do it, we can do it....
thats exactly the mentality that is sickening and NOT normal! these thoughts even
but you are openly anti semitic anyway, you have proven that in the other thread, so killing Israelis is okay since they are not innocent in your world
you still havent realized what happened, they beheaded BABIES, did you ever read that a israeli commando went into gaza to behead babies? maybe you realize it now but i got no hopes to be honest.
they way you also talked about me beeing a paid troll in a bunker, you even made fun of that. just imagine i am ukrainian and you would MOCK me! thats insane for the life these people need to go through.
and i am not defending the israeli government, they went extremely right wing and this isnt helping them either to be a good part of this already cruel planet.
you and the decision to open this thread, after what has happened, trying to justify the horrific stuff these animals did, is insane and then the only argument you can bring up starts with a "but".
not a very intelligent behavior.
also you bring up that the palestinians are fighting for the freedom, you should know that most palestinians arent with hamas. and what hamas did is and will hurt palestinians way more than the last 50 years!
hamas openly said that whoever sides with israel is an enemy to them, even if arabic countries support israel, they would be their enemies! IMAGINE
yeh these animals just hate jews and christians, what a sensation of a group that "helps" palestina
and you bring up the history, remember on how many countries the jewish people were killed, hunted and had to flee...today, its just israel and then look how many countries are arabic? think about it, if you are able to comprehend the facts.
for 2000 years they are surviving while there is always this constant hate, this made up hate, against the last of them.
of course israel fucked up a lot by voting for the wrong politicians, but that just doesnt justify the killing like its happening now!
you should feel ashamed
also this anti west, anti nato gibberish just shows that you cant be objective when it comes to topics like this, probably to any topic within a civilized manner
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Feel ashamed of what? someone is defending their homeland from trespassers/invaders or someone is exhausted of forced expulsion from their own land again and again now wants the land back. I am not justifying the killings of innocent people on both sides. Its a war crime.
Please post your history or stuff in seperate topic.
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Bravo. All factually correct. :)
But let's let it go man, all of us.. Yeh, I am pissed too and also had to reply. :P But we said our words. He created his personal spam topic of hate. And we both know there is no talking with a person who is so far gone with hatred.
Lets just let him be here and let's go back to the topic to peacefully support people in Ukraine.
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he is just unable to comprehend, lack of IQ and absolutely fascist against other religions.
for me as an arab, i am turkish from istanbul, i feel ashamed of him and he should feel ashamed for posting this shit after all what happened but he has no remorse
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Situation might be very different, but the justifications you're using such as "they created these savages" are the exact same things people said about 9/11. Unless you 100% condemn the atrocities that befall regular citizens just trying to live their lives - you've already lost the public opinion. It's as simple as that.
And from what I'm seeing here, you're basically saying "it's a terrible thing what's happening to them, but..." and that kind of thinking basically opens up the door to justify anything.
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I've just realized that you don't understand how shocking these events have been, the impression they've made. You creating this thread is literally the same as if somebody had tried to create ยซRussia awareness threadยป right after Bucha and explain how Russia's war crimes were totally justified. I guess, it's culture and value difference.
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I feel like I have to say - it's odd to me you saying that the OP is "like" coming out and saying Russia's war crimes were justified. Because international human rights organisations are in overwhelming agreement that Israel are currently committing a host of war crimes, and your posts very much seem to be literally justifying their actions.
Of course Hamas are vile. The war crimes of Israel are equally so.
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Thank you, i needed to hear that. That was not my intention, I'm just literally in tears these days, and being Russian I've heard this ยซit's ok to kill babies because they've also killed out childrenยป way too often, so sometimes it's hard to think straight (and yes, this thread IS absolutely infuriating, I hope you won't argue with that). I did say that killing civilians is never ok (maybe in other words, but that's what I've meant), and i'm not fine neither with the bombings nor with the blockade, but I just don't know what Israel is supposed to do. Literally half of my relatives and friends have recently migrated to Israel, and I'm dead scared for them. And, I guess, I got baited and automatically started to defend one side when my only aim was to condemn another.
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I'm glad you could take that as I intended, and it's understandable in such a horrifying and emotional situation that we can instinctively respond and say something that doesn't really reflect the nuance of how we feel.
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Oh I can understand your position its always ordinary people like us that suffers because of international policy makers. May God keep them safe and no harm come to them(ameen)
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It`s like saying: the nazis were not to blame, they were created by those who did not allow them to build the third reich.
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Sad fact: that's how terrorists recruit terrorists. They do horrific shit and then use the retaliation to recruit.
Only psychos and professional trolls on Putin's pay roll can use that madness as a "support Palestine" campaign.
Even people who are against Israel are, and should be, disgusted by what's happened.
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Again: the beheading of children is a fake news. Said that, you are justifying a widespread massacre on innocent civilians just for revenge. It is a terrible thing to think and, most important, to write.
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WRT the fake news:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/biden-ive-seen-pictures-of-terrorists-beheading-children-in-israel/
WRT the rest of your toxic rant, I assume you should be banned from SG for dehumanizing an entire population, deride dead and suffering people, and calling for (or, at least, endorsing) a genocide. Oh, and BTW, you should refrain for stalking and doxing other user here on SG. Very, very bad behaviour.
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All of the videos or pictures of โdecapitated babiesโ or news articles of kidnapped people have been proven to be AI generated or retracted by the Israeli government or the news sites that reported them because they were false lies. This has nothing to do with religion, there are Christian and Jewish Arabs that live in Palestine, this is about the Israeli Zionist people hating anyone who isnโt one of them and using false propaganda to start a war and rain down bombs on innocent people that have no part in any real conflict. This is a perfect example of ethnic cleansing and itโd be very apparent if people just did their research and werenโt ignorant to be led by the first thing they read or saw.
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Written at top of the article: The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please get something authentic.
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Its still wikipedia. Check the link below
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine
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Suffer to read the history of Israel all the way through, starting from pre-B.C. times, and at least ending with the religious beliefs of the current population. Without skipping the history of 1967, who was the instigator then.
And how Hamas came to power. And why Palestine is not the Gaza.
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Even if those maps were legit - spoiler: they aren't - basing on your approach, U.S.A. citizens should be bombed and deported right now to get the land back to native Americans. Is that right? I don't think this makes a lot of sense.
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the problem with all conflicts of this kind is:
the ones who deserve being killed cowardly hide in bunkers while they don't hesitate to send others to either kill or be killed.
it's always the same. war never changes.
on a side note: if you praise your god while killing people your god is shit and i'll smile when i see your ass getting blown into 1000 fucking pieces.
people like that don't deserve to live on this planet and reducing their numbers is always a win for all mankind.
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What if both sides think the same thing xdd. we agree to disagree
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in a more just world you would take all so called 'leaders' of a conflict to the arena and let them fight to the death with bare hands.
no need to drag thousands or even millions of people into the madness of a few individuals.
i think we can reasonably assume that the majority of all people all around the world just want to live in peace.
sadly the peaceful majority doesn't matter during war. yet it's them who suffer the most.
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Some person once said: the problem is that we just want to live, and our opponents want us to not exist.
Someone was able to insinuate next to you, even if they do not agree with you, but you are satisfied only with the destruction of everyone who does not agree with you. The same applies to Russians.
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Now it's time to post a gaming thread on one of those war news blogs too, since for some reason this makes a lot of sense.
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/427290/Vampyr/
Try it i am hooked to this game.
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Palestinians policing themselves by removing terrorist organization HAMAS (who use Palestinian civilians as human shields) would go a long way towards establishing lasting peace. In contrast, ignoring terrorist attacks (or outright giving them a seal of approval) that killed over 1000 civilians does nothing to advance any sort of peace. It does OTOH, secure a guarantee of a scorched Earth approach against Palestinians. Congrats.
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Same can be said for Israel. Both can demilitarized and live peacefully.
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The same can't be said for Israel. This was a Hamas attack that will also have catastrophic results for the remaining Palestinians. Hamas has effectively done to Palestinians what they've said Israel was trying to do to them. Well done.
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They were forced to attack. Their area was shrinking day by day because of illegal forcefull land grabbing for illegal settlements. Innocent killings cant be justified both sides are facing huge losses.
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They definitely weren't forced. That's an actual lie. But as I said, shortsighted acceptance of Hamas by the Palestinian people 100% is going to cost them more than they've ever lost before. Probably literally everything. Well done.
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Ahahahah. We heard this once - in 1994, while Budapest Memorandum was sign, Russia claim "demilitarized Ukraine and live peacefully". Consequences you all know - 2014 and 2022. Terrorists never keep their word
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"Terrorists never keep their word"
Evidenced by the Hamas terrorist assault. As I mentioned, they traded all Palestinian lives in order to kill 1k Israelis. Bad trade. And now, they are of course using their own people as human shields. Because of course they are. That's what cowards do. The thing is....that tactic of using civilians as human shields isn't working this time. The topic of occupation is moot when the occupied people don't exist any longer. Congrats Hamas.
And going real far back in history, had the people of Gaza simply welcomed the Jewish refugees instead of being racist asses who attacked them, they could have avoided "occupation" altogether. But they didn't, and the rest is...history.
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I mean it would, but Israeli's not continually keeping Netanyahu in power would do much the same. The fact that he is now, bafflingly, somehow almost a moderate in the current government genuinely defies belief.
Nobody's seriously condoning the most egregious xyz (no, not even the OP) but the one-sided nature of the political and media response in the west has been truly depressing and that's going back way decades beyond recent events. It's worth calling out as loudly and widely as possible.
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They both have their reasons for doing what they do but, in the end two wrongs dont make a right.
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Arrogance and excessive power no one will step down. Innocent people will suffer.
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From the land to the sea, Palestine will be free!
Also, my full condolences and sorrow for children, elderly and non-combattant women from both sides.
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They know exactly what they are writing man. But yeh, I got baited in replying here too. :P
But we should all really shut up and let this topic of spam and hate be.
It is really pointless as there is no actual discussion is possible,
Better let them just stay here and we go to an actual awareness thread.
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No it doesn't. It means that Palestinians would recover their occupied lands and their stolen homes.
A truly poor attempt at trying to silence any Pro-liberation view. Redirect anything towards antisemitism and you're basically good to go :)
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Why doesn't the site prohibit such topics justifying Palestinian terrorists? ๐คฌ
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Apologies, I have to correct you.
Hamas terrorists*. There really is a difference.
Bet yeh. It is in very bad taste to create such a topic after such a terror attack.
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Sure, but that doesn't mean they are all supporters,
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Israeli's have propped up Netanyahu forever, this really isn't the gotcha it seems, in South Africa a similar situation (eventually) gets called out as apartheid and suddenly the optics are very different. We really are a few words from a US president away from that.
In the end if the situation was even vaguely about the actions of terrorists it would have been settled long since. Horrific though the last few days have been, this won't be the flashpoint that ends the problems. The solutions are always political and always in the gift of people with far more agency than a psychopath with a gun.
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We really are a few words from a US president away from that.
Not very likely. Israel's geopolitical value is unfathomable for the US, there is 0 chance they will risk losing that.
Just look at the amount of support they are getting now, even under Joe Biden's reign. The same guy that said this in the past.
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Quite so. You have to be a bit tapped to want to be President of the Free World (TM) but I always wonder how they sleep at night when the Middle East kicks off. More than one of them could have put this issue to bed with a single strong speech but all have chosen not to for political reasons. You'd hope it'd cause a soul-crushing moment of self reflection but you also somehow doubt it.
It's a beautiful clip. Yet more proof that they should have the same retirement age as the rest of us? Perhaps.
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Writing a post for the First time i know its not in perfect formatting but i just need to write this post for the awareness because western media is showing totally different thing. Writing this for the people of Palestine.
First of all thank you for taking my advice and creating your own topic.
Second. You shouldn't claim you wrote something yourself while it's copy pasted from a copyrighted website. At least say the source of the website if you have permission and don't claim them as your own arguments and text. Plagiarism, copyright infringement and a lie is simply not a good start of a topic.
As for your poll. I can't answer it fairly as the question is too polarizing. You can't force people to take a side. Most people will say both Israelis and Palestine's deserve a safe place to live, including me. Besides, most people see more then 2 groups at play here. People see innocent Palestine's and Hamas terrorists. On the other side they see the oppressing Israeli government and the innocent Jewish civilians..On top of that, it's a conflict that started over a century ago. And conflicts in that region date back to forever before Christ. It is simply not as black and white as you try to force people to be. Most people around here despise Hamas but also the Israeli government, including me.
Also, could you clarify what you believe "western media" is showing and what was incorrect about it? Which independent western news did you read? Or was it a random anti-western assumption/attack/hate-speech?
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Firstly i didnt took your advice i took few useful advice from a mod. Secondly its from independent authentic source so no one can claim its made up and last thing you can always skip the poll no one is forcing you to vote. If you have more queries you can make your own topic.
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Yeh, completely pointless as expected. The first thing I replied was to you is to create your own topic because you were in the wrong place. Because a mod tells you the same the advice suddenly becomes useful.
I actually give you constructive criticism because this would be the correct topic and actually give you the way I think about the situation. Yet, you completely disregard it.
As I said, they came indeed from a different source, not from you like you claimed 3 times.
Writing a long post
i just need to write
Writing this for the people
In the only 3 lines you wrote yourself, you explicitly write 3 times it is your own text. While the author of at least part of it is Mohammed Haddad and not you And copyrighted by aljazeera.com. (The little ยฉ in the right bottom). Plagiarism and copyright infringement are not allowed by law, the lie was obvious as the English was fluent.
As you can't give any examples about western media and don't have arguments to back it up, I will regard it as hate-speech, also as expected..
No thank you. I am not going to make a topic about you. Good luck with your topic, You are going to need it,
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Thanks for your concern. Plagiarism and copyright infringement Does not apply on reporting news and on judicial proceedings.
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And another lie... sigh
https://nytlicensing.com/latest/methods/news-content-for-website/
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Plagiarism is traditionally defined as taking someone else's work and presenting it as your own. In journalism, it is considered one of the primary sins of the profession. Many journalists have lost their jobs or faced legal action for lifting others' writing or other production.
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i know, ethics doesnt affect you
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๐คฌ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ข๐ค๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ
Killing civilians in refugee camps/hospitals. Committing countless war crimes.
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4u1mT9956E&ab_channel=BBCNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpidrjV_YjY&ab_channel=BBCNews
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Israel and Palestine have so much in common, surely they should be able to work something in out after who knows how many years it has been now.
Edit * source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECscKICzsJ0&t=2s
Also F**k Hamas aka the new ISIS, Hope Israel gets them all.
Sadly a lot of innocent civilians on both sides are going to get killed/injured in the process.
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Wasn't it all "peaceful" between Palestine and Israel since 2021?
Until ...Hamas launched a massive surprise attack on southern Israel, killing hundreds of civilians, taking dozens more as hostages.
I only see one terrorist here.
Also Hamas "governs" Gaza strip so technically now Gaza is terrorist state/city/strip whatever imo.
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As with all conflicts like these, I just hope and pray for peace for both sides, because the only people who truly lose these wars are the innocent civilians stuck in the middle.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSFJaFuWU0
Israel Strikes Back, Everything You Need to Know
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Very brave strikes back against a side without any Army, Air force or Navy. Make your own topic About those war criminals.
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Well if you have no army, air force or navy. It is very foolish to go poking a bear that actually has those things....
Typical F**k around and find out situation now then isn't it?
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Yea they should just leave giveaway their last piece of land too. nice idea
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A land that has been taken from them centuries before and with Jews having just 1 country and there being 22 Arab countries and 50 Muslim countries there are many places for the Palestinians to go, not that it's ideal but wanting to force people away from what was originally their homeland is not making them good people and all this on both sides in the name of religion.
It's a tragedy that has been going on for longer than the current conflict starting in 1947/48, neither side is right, neither side is wrong, both are committing despicable acts of violence for their own reasons that are wrong.
The best thing would be a unification that will never happen because of religion.
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You seek Support from Palestine? really they cant build a inch or get food water supply without the permission of israel. They are surrounded and their area is shrinking day by day.
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As a Pakistani i have guts to condemn every illegal occupation in Palestine, Ukraine, Kashmir and Myanmar. I am not like other people afraid of saying the right thing.
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ะะฐะปะธ ะฒ ัะฒะพั ะฒะตัะบั ะฟะพัะฒัััะฝะฝัั ะฅะพั ะปะพััะฐะฝั ะธ ะฟัะพะดะพะปะถะฐะน ะฟะปะฐะบะฐัั ัะฐะผ. ะะต ั ะฒะฐัะฐะปะพ ัะฒะพะตะณะพ ะฒะธะทะณะฐ ะทะดะตัั...ะ ะพััะธั ัะฐะผะพััะพััะตะปัะฝะฐั ะดะตัะถะฐะฒะฐ. ะะธั ะพ ัะพะผ ััะพ ะ ะพััะธั ะบะพะปะพะฝะธั - ะฟัะธะดัะผะฐะปะธ ั ะพั ะปั ะฒ ะพะฑะธะดั ะพั ัะพะณะพ, ะฟะพัะพะผั ััะพ ั 91ะณะพ ัะตััะธัะพัะธั ะฑัะฒัะตะณะพ ะฃะกะกะ (ะทะฐ ะธัะบะปััะตะฝะธะตะผ ะะะ , ะะะ , ะ ะตัะฟัะฑะปะธะบะธ ะััะผ, ะฅะตััะพะฝัะบะพะน ะธ ะะฐะฟะพัะพะถัะบะพะน ะพะฑะปะฐััะธ) ัะฒะปััััั ะบะพะปะพะฝะธะตะน ะกะจะ. ะฃ ัะตะฑั ะฝะตั ะฝะธ ะพะดะฝะพะณะพ ะดะพะบะพะทะฐัะตะปัััะฒะฐ ััะพ ะ ะพััะธั ััั ะปะธะฑะพ ะบะพะปะพะฝะธั. ะะฐ ะฑะฐะฝะฐะปัะฝะพ, ะฑัะดั ะผั ะบะพะปะพะฝะธะตะน, ะดะฐะฒะฝะพ ะฑั ะฟะพ ะพะดะฝะพะผั ัะบะฐะทั ั ะกะจะ - ะ ะพััะธั ะฟัะตะบัะฐัะธะปะฐ ะฑั ะกะะ ะธ ะฒัะฒะตะปะฐ ะฒะพะนัะบะฐ. ะััะณะพะต ะดะตะปะพ ะะฒัะพัะพัะท - ัะธะฟะธัะฝะฐั ะบะพะปะพะฝะธั, ะฑะตัะฟัะธะบะพัะปะพะฒะฝะพ ะฒัะฟะพะปะฝัััะฐั ะฟัะธะบะฐะทั ะกะจะ. ะััั ะบะพะฝะตัะฝะพ ัะฐะผ ัััะฐะฝั ั ะฝะตะฑะพะปััะพะน ะฐะฒัะพะฝะพะผะธะตะน ะฝะต ัะปะตะดัััะธะต ะฒะพะปะธ ั ะพะทัะธะฝะฐ ะทะฐ ะพะบะตะฐะฝะพะผ - ััะพ ะกะตัะฑะธั, ะะตะฝะณัะธั ะธ ะดะฐะน ะะพะณ ััะพะฑั ััะธั ัััะฐะฝ ะฑัะปะพ ะฑะพะปััะต.
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If you can't read you better stay quiet, this way someone may mistook you for a smart.
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How the hell did you even get into the conversation, momโs fighter? Roosters like you were not given a word, just sit there and crow in your chicken coop
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Israel's leader is pissed publically on the place, where have benn killed people, man, it's not normal, it's psychically abnormal brain
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What's happening to Palestinians is horrible. But hamas are terrorist organization just like isis. This is not a simple country on country's conflict. You are bringing up how Israel are terrorists and they are same as hamas. Well - they are not. If Gaza is controlled by Hamas and Palestinians support them, the hammer of consequences will fall on every supporter.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/now-is-time-war-says-israels-military-chief-2023-10-12/ - Israel is calling for civilians to leave. If hamas is a problem in Gaza and locals are not "representing" this terrorist organization, then here you have the opportunity to let someone deal with your infestation problem. Easy as that.
I agree that bombing Gaza strip is horrible. And I will outright say I don't have enough knowledge of history of the conflict, so I wont be delving into discussions regarding that (like some do trying to spread lies about a conflict you don't understand in the Ukraine thread). I just wanted to point out how west sees this - a terrorist organization is controlling a country and just murdered over 1000 civilians in cold blood. Any country would start retaliation against this. IF the civilians of Gaza don't support hamas - help in neutralizing those animals.
If you have arguments, facts or anything regarding this - be respectful and actually produce relevant information. Frankly I understand that the problem between these countries is more complicated, but the fact hamas need to be taken out until the last member is indisputable. So sure - raise awareness of Palestinians and Gaza. But you HAVE to separate it from hamas then. If you cant or wont - then you are telling that Gaza strip is a terrorist nation.
Also - why is not Egypt and other muslim countries taking in refugees of this war? Where is your cultural solidarity? Europe instantly took in and supported victims of Ukraine and even allowed Russians who flee from putins regime to live normal live. Yet here you are, saying how Israel are the bad guys, yet doing nothing in order to help civilians yourself. How does that happen?
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Calling for civilians to leave ahahah so they can occupy the last remaining piece of land for their illegal settlement. Why only targeting Hamas? IDF is no innocent they got history of 50years torturing mudering Palestinian people. For your info their are already refugees living in egypt/jordan/syria from last war.
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its to avoid killing more innocent people, HAMAS is hiding within normal citizens. but this again proves that you cant comprehend, you cant stay objective....
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Hamas stopping their own people from leaving the northern part of Gaza after Israel alerted them to do so tells me all I need to know about them.
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Hamas stopping? its their home you want them to leave illegal occupants can get more land for illegal settlements.
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I respect how dedicated you are to your chosen name.
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some people want to leave Gaza and Hamas doesn't let them go, you have a problem of understanding or something?
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Actually it was just people wanting to leave the northern parts of Gaza for other parts of Gaza and Hamas stopped them, claiming that Israel's warning about incoming airstrikes would be 'propaganda'.
Hamas simply wants their human shields to remain in place to blame Israel for the resulting civilian deaths.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUqAAzn0oY
I hope you will get your answer the video is not edited or anything.
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the answer is simple, SOME people want to leave and others want to stay like in every war. Hamas doesn't let them. do you know how many left Israel since the attack? what if Israel prohibited anyone to leave the country?
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Any source? thats saying hamas people are stopping them or its just a propaganda like ''๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐ฌ" which got exposed u can find the link at the top.
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propaganda like ''๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐ฌ" which got exposed
If you want people to take you seriously please stop rephrasing sources to fit your agenda.
Firstly - nothing was "exposed". Your own video which you added basically says this claim does not have proof. Which is fine. And Israel itself has said that it has not been confirmed that babies have been beheaded - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html
Sure, let people discuss this and make everyone aware that at this stage it is only a rumor which even Israelis say is not true. But if you don't want this thread to turn into a joke, take it seriously yourself like Q09066930 does with Ukraine thread. Don't just spam some youtubers and quote them with obvious agenda.
https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-ministers-shown-horrific-video-hamas-attack-2023-10-12/ - Reputable source which AGAIN clearly states that beheading of babies has not been confirmed, yet kids have been murdered still.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-tells-gaza-residents-stay-home-israel-ground-offensive-looms-2023-10-13/ And regardingwhat Metalhead said. Hamas has literally "urged" for people to stay put and calls the oncoming attack as propaganda. And don't be biased as I mentioned and actually check what the world is talking :
โOrdering a million people in Gaza to evacuate, when thereโs no safe place to go, is not an effective warning. The roads are rubble, fuel is scarce, and the main hospital is in the evacuation zone," said Clive Baldwin, senior legal adviser at Human Rights Watch. "This order does not alter Israelโs obligations in military operations to never target civilians and take all the measures it can to minimize harm to them. World leaders should speak up now before it is too late.โ
Humans Right Watch acknowledged that such an amount of while being bombarded can't just leave.
Plus, here you can easily check what different sources are telling about your issue - https://ground.news/article/hamas-urges-palestinians-to-stay-in-homes-after-israel-orders-gaza-evacuation_670d1d . Be factual. have some grounding to your posts
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HAMAS IS NOT WITH PALESTINE:...when are you going to realize this
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thats true, i try to follow world politics from all kinds of views to get an overall view.
"Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics"
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
but of course the source will be discredited by the OP anyway
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The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1918, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.
Today, Palestine theoretically includes the West Bank (a territory that sits between modern-day Israel and Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (which borders modern-day Israel and Egypt). However, control over this region is a complex and evolving situation. There is no international consensus concerning the borders, and many areas claimed by Palestinians have been occupied by Israelis for years.
More than 135 United Nations member countries recognize Palestine as an independent state, but Israel and some other countries, including the United States, donโt make this distinction.
(Source : https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine)
The 1993โฏOslo I Accordsโฏmediated the conflict, setting up a framework for the Palestinians to govern themselves in the West Bank and Gaza, and enabled mutual recognition between the newly established Palestinian Authority and Israelโs government. In 1995, theโฏOslo IIโฏAccords expanded on the first agreement, adding provisions that mandated the complete withdrawal of Israel from 6 cities and 450 towns in the West Bank.
In 2000, sparked in part by Palestinian grievances over Israelโs control over the West Bank, a stagnating peace process, and former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharonโsโฏvisitโฏto the al-Aqsa mosqueโthe third holiest site in Islamโin September 2000, Palestiniansโฏlaunchedโฏthe second intifada, which would last until 2005. In response, the Israeli government approved theโฏconstruction of a barrier wallโฏaround the West Bank in 2002, despiteโฏoppositionโฏfrom the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court.โฏ
Hamas won the Palestinian Authorityโs parliamentary elections in 2006, deposing longtime majority party Fatah. This gave Hamas, a political and armed movement inspired by the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, control of the Gaza Strip. Gaza is a small piece of land on the Mediterranean Sea that borders Egypt to the south and has been under the rule of the semi-autonomous Palestinian Authority since 1993. The United States and European Union, among others, did not acknowledge Hamasโ electoral victory, as the group has been considered a terrorist organization by western governments since the late 1990s.
(Source: https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict)
๐ ๐จ๐ซ๐๐๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง:
Before the British Mandate for Palestine, Jews made up approximately 6 percent of the total population. From 1947 to 1950, during the Nakba or โcatastropheโ, Zionist military forces expelled at least 750,000 Palestinians and captured 78 percent of historic Palestine. The remaining 22 percent was divided into the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
During the 1967 war, Israeli forces occupied all of historic Palestine and expelled a further 300,000 Palestinians from their homes. Today, Israel continues to force Palestinians in Jerusalem and the West Bank from their homes and lands, which are often taken over by Jewish Israeli settlers.
๐ ธ๐ ป๐ ป๐ ด๐ ถ๐ ฐ๐ ป ๐ ธ๐๐๐ ฐ๐ ด๐ ป๐ ธ ๐๐ ด๐๐๐ ป๐ ด๐ ผ๐ ด๐ ฝ๐๐:
Israeli settlements are Jewish communities built illegally on Palestinian land. Today there are between 600,000 and 750,000 Israeli settlers living in at least 250 illegal settlements (130 official, 120 unofficial) in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Israeli settlements are illegal under international law as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies.
The population of Israeli settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem is growing at a faster rate than the population of Israel. Roughly 10 percent of Israelโs 6.8 million Jewish population lives in these occupied Palestinian territories.
Despite being outside of Israel proper, these settlers are granted Israeli citizenship and receive government subsidies that significantly lower their cost of living. In contrast, Palestinians living in the West Bank are subject to Israeli military law.
(Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine)
[๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐.]
Writing a long post for the First time i know its not in perfect formatting but i just need to write this post for the awareness because western media is showing totally different thing. Writing this for the people of Palestine๐ต๐ธโค๏ธ๐ต๐ฐ. Stay Strong we๐ต๐ฐ people are with YOU!
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PALESTINIAN PEOPLE GOT NO ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE ON THE OTHER HAND ISRAEL GOT ALL THREE FORCES (IDF) AND PEOPLE STILL TARGET THE ONLY HOPE PALESTINIAN GOT. THATS NOT HATE SPEECH?. PEOPLE ARE TRYING HARD TO TAKE AWAY THE ONLY DEFENCE FORCE( THEIR ONLY HOPE) PALESTINIAN GOT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT IDF TERRORISTS ITS HATE SPEECH. IT SADLY LOOKS LIKE "HATE SPEECH" ONLY APPLIES ON ONE SIDE ONLY. IF HAMAS FIGHTERS COMMIT ANY CRIME THEY MUST BE PUNISHED(according to international law) SAME GOES FOR IDF TERRORISTS TOO. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR CRIMINALS.
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๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtE9HMtiOc&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye
๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ข๐ซ ๐๐ข๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ค๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISs0AwztGQ&ab_channel=PeopleBeforeProfitOfficialChannel
๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUqAAzn0oY
๐๐๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐: ๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ง๐ข๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyje3Jh8z9k
๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ก๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ ๐ ๐จ๐ฏ'๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ฆ๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPIlm4-jJ_U
๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญโ: ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐โ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ข๐จ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62XrIoEhx1w&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye
๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐:
(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐, ๐๐๐๐๐ง๐จ๐ง, ๐๐ง๐๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=All88nZIKvQ&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฉ๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฒ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐๐ซ๐จ๐ง
(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.
"๐๐ ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ" | (๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐) ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฅ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2H-F0HVKDY
๐ ๐๐ค๐ ๐ง๐๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ-๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFiZN7ceVw&ab_channel=TRTWorld
๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐ - ๐๐ง ๐๐ฒ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeuNRaNGQr8&ab_channel=Channel4News
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ-๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐: โ๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐กโ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEBqvMEFExY&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish
๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง: "๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTiOp9dw4Y&ab_channel=IslamChannel
๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฅ - ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbnaOwZgPwE&ab_channel=Khan%27sNotes
Its sad to see some people are still supporting this genocide.["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wwAjeePOo
โWe didnโt do it! And if we did, it was an accident. And if it wasnโt, it was their fault anyway.โIsraeli Defense Forces Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnNgMmCM-JE
https://twitter.com/AllezLesBoulez/status/1714378224099053600?t=AQXbAGC_VYlMli4XyjySZw&s=19
Running out of words to see Pro-israeli butcher Terrorists doing propaganda here. Thank fully i am not brainwashed by western media. I don't believe on the fake edited video shown on almost every western media. I only believe in logic and technicalities. As experts say the area of impact of hamas rockets are 25m max, the bomb took out the whole hospital. Which is 10x bigger than the area of impact of domestically produced hamas rockets. Still These terrorist butcher are justifying/lying blaming hamas and making people fool. These butchers are not even Jews. Their own ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง: "๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐" said it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqrDdal2gjI&ab_channel=TRTWorld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emR64gEIn9k&ab_channel=TRTWorld ["๐๐๐ ๐"]
Israelโs history of 'lying' about airstrikes | The Big Picture S3E4["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9TwBqDe_I0
Benjamin Netayahuโs aide backtracks on claim Israel bombed hospital["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTghchUzjSM
'Anti-Zionist' Jewish rabbi calls for peace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVuHgaTdysY
'Not in our name' Jewish people disowning Israel like Muslims disown ISIS and Taliban terror groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_LP7DyE_us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbwNAqllmoo
Was the Gaza hospital attack caused by a failed rocket launch?["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNLvL_8SeY
๐๐ง๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ข๐๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ ๐จ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฆ๐๐ฌ, ๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ. ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ซ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐.๐ต๐ธ
๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ฒ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง. ๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ซ๐. ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง. ๐๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ซ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ.
(๐๐ก๐๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฏ๐จ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ )
[๐๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ซ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ซ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ. ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐.]
๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ข๐๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐๐ฅ๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ.
I also want to know that if i spam/insult someone i get temporary ban. I reported few people who called me terrorist openly, abuse me and my family openly, insulted me in every possible way, continuously spamming my thread with thier fake IDF propaganda and still lurking around. Why they are not banned yet why there is double standard. Its been 5 days. looks like different rules for different people?. They can do whatever they want mods are favouring them? or the rules only apply on me?. I waited patiently 5 days.
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