Who is illegal occupant in your vision?
If you are ignoring politics - you are still part of politics. You can never be aside, unless you live alone on some unmapped island in the ocean.
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Oh sure, a bunch of topics on forums that you can easily ignore are 100% now.
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if you want to talk about world news go to a world news forum then - this site is meant to be about games
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Then those who discuss movies should go to movie forum, music guys to music forum, the one guy who shares stories about trucking should find a trucking forum and so on and so on.
Please stop this censor. Off-topic is off-topic and people can discuss topics that are of interest to them. If this brings together bunch of people that want to share their views - what's so wrong about it? Especially if it actually raises awareness. We shouldnt be narrow minded. As long as topic is not regarding something illegal or openly supporting something illegal then there shouldn't be reason for not having it in an off-topic part of a forum. (obviously if it also does not go against forum rules and does not incite violence against others)
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well wasn't/isn't the OP curator being totally one sided and not talking/looking at the facts and basically condemning Israel and trying to get us to side with "his side" - plenty of other people have mentioned what both sides have done in evil ways but they only see one side which is very dangerous to try and mis lead others
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Yes, that is the possibility. I still see the chance of such a discussion to raise different points of views. In this case it is indisputable civilians get hurt by Israel attacks and even with condemning hamas, west is vary towards the crisis which will undoubtedly come after this war. So it is still a double sided issue which should be approached carefully. hamas must be leveled to ground, if I my be blunt. But such an operation should not put the lives of civilians at risk. But with almos thalf of population from Gaza supporting hamas, that is a whole different problem in on itself ....Frankly everyone is in quite a pickle now.
But seeing how OP went a bit "crazy" in Ukraine thread once people started calling him out... if it goes the same here then I'm all for closing the thread. Don't get me wrong regarding this. I'd say for now its still on a fence on being supportive of terrorist group and trying to raise awareness for victims.
I would say that deciding what comes of this thread should be up to the moderators. But I just wanted to point out that we should not limit the talks of such issues just because its a gaming forum ;)
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Don't tell me what to do. I follow the rules, and there is no rule to not discuss politics. If you believe otherwise - feel free to file a support ticket.
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I'm so glad you made this thread. I can post unpleasant to you facts here now.
Palestine - is a name of territory, not a country. (proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region) )
State of Palestine - partially recognized state, that never existed before 1988 (proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Declaration_of_Independence)
Until the end of WWII it was a British dominion, before WWI - part of Ottoman Empire. There was no such country, don't let anyone fool you.
After WWII Britain under advice of UN divided this dominion it parts, bigger part was given to Arabic people (now country of Jordan), lesser part become an Israel, that supposed to be bi-national, part of territories were supposed to be assigned for Jewish people, part to Arabic. Jewish people agreed to it, but Arabic did not, and they started a war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War - so, remember - it's Arabian people are baddies here, not Jews.
Arabian forces miserably lost all the wars they started, so after 1973 Jewish government not only keep their land, but also occupied part of land of attackers (see first attached image). Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Eventually Israel returned occupied territories, so as of 2005 they are in the original borders, with the difference that most of the country is still controlled by Jewish government (see the first attached image for timeline). So, Israel made everything to achieve peace (do you still remember that it's not Jewish people started the war, right?)
And, if you still have doubts, I want to show you two more pictures. Second attached image is a photo of attack from Gaza on a peaceful city. Their missiles leave traces on the right, and on the left there is iron dome interceptor missiles destroying them to protect civilians. And third attached image is made by Iranian people (don't know exact author), shows how Arabic people see it - attackers who want to kill civilian people are heroes for them, and those who protect civilians - are monsters for them. Nuff said.
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Many countries recognized it. I was actually surprised there are so many. And honestly, I would not mind if there were two countries instead of one, it would make so much more sense than having one with two nations that don't like each other. So for all those conflicts, apart from obvious Arabs, I blame Britain and UN. The way land was divided after WWII was insane, they should have put much more attention to it. It would not guarantee absence of conflicts, of course, but imho the way it was done back then - guaranteed their presence.
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Again here with incomplete data. Data missing from 2005 to 2023. Please use some authentic source or you can always make a seperate post.
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So you acknowledge, that the information is correct before 2005, if you only note that it is incomplete?
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First most of the wikipedia topics are disputed and second if its incomplete how can you its correct?
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"You have a brain" - this is incomplete information, so according to you - it can't be correct. Is that how it works?
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You can think whatever you want but it wont change the reality that illegal occupants are committing war crimes continuously killing civilians. Again the map you shared is incomplete and useless. You can also make another topic to prove the authenticity of that map.
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You can think whatever you want but it wont change the reality that terrorist group HAMAS (proof that they are terrorists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups) are committing war crimes continuously killing civilians. Again the map I shared is completely correct and it shows your lies very well, since you never pointed out any mistake on it with proofs. I'm writing in the correct topic - It's a topic to rise awareness about Palestine, so I'm rising awareness about real situation, not about your silly fantasies. If you don't like the truth you are welcome to cry me a river.
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"First most of the wikipedia topics are disputed" that is simple not correct, please give a source for that statement.
The information seems to be reliable up to the date (2005) that is described in those articles.
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upto date 2005 ahahah so you admit it that its incomplete. Please make your own topic to prove the authenticity of wikipedia.
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No, I will not make my own topic. Your is polluting Steamgifts already too much.
I never claimed that anything is complete. If you reading comprehension is so limited, you might not want to discuss sensitive topics, as misunderstandings are going to happen.
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And, as you are not willing to provide sources for your claim that "most of the wikipedia topics are disputed", it seems that we can take wikipedia to be a reliable source.
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๐คฌ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐๐๐ค๐ฌ ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐ฅ๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ญ:
Its sad to see how people around the world are justifying the war crimes of israeli terrorism.
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ha funny when the other side do anything bad don't you just look the other way then? plenty of everdence that "your heroes" are just as evil but of course you pretend not to hear or see this
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We got our own views and perception we cant force them on anyone. If u don't like my point of view you can skip the thread.
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Thank you brother from Pakistan, long live the Palestinian resistance
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We already got 3.7 million Afghani brothers as refugee's from Afghan war. Yes we will accept but first we will try to restore their freedom on their own land.
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what so you have them in your own house because taking them into your country and in to your house/home is not the same
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I am a refugee myself, so sadly I can't accept anyone in my rented house, anyway my home country Syria accepted many Palestinians refugees since 1948, and fighting Israel is not antisemistim, since Israel is a state not a race or ethnicity
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The first problem of this, that the isreali state doesn't have the right to exist, its an occupied land, before 1918 the percentage of Jewish people in this land was like 6% and they were living happily under the rule of the ottoman empire , even better than some places in europe
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I am not calling for genocidal acts against any people, but the British stole the Arab lands then made it easy for the jews from all over Europe to settle in this stolen land, then they left, which of course gonna make a big trouble between the original land owners and the new settlers, anyway this thing would make trouble whether those settlers were just jews or people from other races or religions, and let be honest creating a state on the basis of a sole religion or race would absolutely make the things worse
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8DwCl5uEL8
Watch your heroes in action.
How Hamas Turned an Israeli Music Festival Into a Massacre
NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO1ji7le_x0
Israel music festival survivor describes attack | 'It was like animal slaughter'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bn20jGQW5w
'Death was a blessing': Father's relief Hamas killed his 8 year old daughter instead of abducting her
So I am going to say Israel is justified to strike back. And the sane world shall support them!
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Nice Justification for using phosphorus bombs. Committing war crimes and violating Geneva convention.
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Yes, it is shameful that Israel is using white phosphorus on populated areas. Mind you that it is not illegal to use it to generate smoke outside of populated areas.
However, it's hilarious how in every comment that talks about what Hamas are doing, you immediately ignore everything and tell us something bad Israel is doing, in direct response to the Hamas. Do you think that if the Hamas did not attack, Israel would be throwing bombs like this?
How about you stop doing that shit and answer the questions asked? Do you support all these atrocities? The German tourist that got dragged through the streets by terrorists to the cheers of bystanders?
Answer, "yes, I support terrorist acts targeting innocent civilians", or "no, I condemn these brutal, senseless acts committed by terrorists". Don't hide behind your hatred for the Jews, answer the question like a civilised individual would. Yes to terrorism, or no?
Because in your eyes, Hamas seem to be glorious freedom fighters that fight for your bloodthirsty god by beheading, raping, torturing, and killing innocent people that have never done or meant them any harm, as in the case of the concert they brutalised.
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I don't justify anything.
I am pointing out the HAMAS crimes which you willfilly ignore.
But I am starting to think that even though you say poor poor innocent civilians.
I really dont think you care much if those civilians are from the people that you don't like ( Israeli's)
Which makes you a disgrace to the human race.
Show me a video of IDF using this white phosphorus to target Palestinian civilians and I will condemn it as well.
And how you about you answer Filipi's question.
Answer, "yes, I support terrorist acts targeting innocent civilians", or "no, I condemn these brutal, senseless acts committed by terrorists"
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๐๐ง๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ข๐๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ ๐จ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฆ๐๐ฌ, ๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ. ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ซ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐.
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He won't. He'll be perma-suspended if he openly states he supports acts of terrorism (at least I hope so). It's much safer to go on with this persistent whataboutism.
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how do you support the hindu in your country and the ongoing genocide that goes on for decades now?!
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But it's you justifying killing of civilians, committing war crimes and violation of Geneva convention. You are supporting Hamas Terrorism. Why ask people who keep ON TOPIC to make another thread? Do you only want to post your pathetic warmongering queries here? You called your thread Palestine AWARENESS thread, so we are rising awareness. You should have called it "Blind support of Palestine people, especially the ones of them who are blood-thirsty terrorists in the first place", then you at least could have claimed that people who rise awareness are off-topic.
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You talk with brainwashed by mediaุ this occupying entity violates international laws from 75 years with the help of usa and european countries
This war is not between the owners of the land and the occupier, it is religious
At least it reveals the true face of the west they have no morals or conscience.
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๐คฌ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ
๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญโ: ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐โ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ข๐จ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62XrIoEhx1w&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye
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Where are the Mods???
You are not from Middle East, You are not educated, and all you do is spreading lies and fake news.
And to mods, think if you would want to visit your daily gaming forum seeing your country falsely labeled as "terrorist" while your family is kidnapped or murdered.
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I simply do not understand how is about 50% of voters on this pool are voting pro terrorism.
Picture yourself - your families - your friends, celebrating a national holiday, elderly people, woman's, children's, infants.
We are gamers right? we play games? we like to fix wrongs right? play the right side that saves/ stops bad things from happening to innocents - right? stop the bad guys- stop terrorist...
Now picture the same picture with the bad guys from your games doing that to you yourself - your families - your friends, do you understand now?
do you understand you are voting yes to butchering you - your families - your friends?
do you understand you are voting yes to butchering elderly people, woman's, children's, infants?
do you understands that tomorrow it will be in your states - your houses - your families?
so how come 50% vote exactly the opposite way?
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You have your opinion and voters got their own opinion. Thanks for sharing your point of view.
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Read the last paragraph of my comment here https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/zUdDGuK
Those people just believe that the ones who kill civilians are heroes, and those who try to protect them are monsters. Of course they support their "heroes", why would they support "monsters"?
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It's worth bearing in mind - the question isn't "Who is in the right in this conflict?" it is about who is illegally occupying the land of the other.
It seems an odd question, because I don't think I've ever even heard the argument that Palestinians are "illegally occupying" Israel's territory, whereas the opposite - that Israel have been occupying Palestinian territory for decades - is very widely regarded as a matter of fact, and not a question of opinion at all.
It may have been intentionally phrased this way to produce the impression that more people think "Israel = Bad, Palestine = Good" and indeed, some people might be using the poll to vote who they think are "the good guys", but that's not what it actually asks.
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The poll is biased to say the least. There is no such thing as "legal occupation". But there is much more than just "who occupied who", too. Technically, Palestine was recognized as a separate entity much later than Israel. And Israel, as a country, at that point was inside of it's borders, so technically, Palestine just come with "we now claim this land of israel to ourselves. That's not much different than occupation. But once again, there is much more than that. Originally Israel was supposed as two-nation country, with regions controlled by Jewish people and regions controlled by Arabian people. From this point of view, we again may see Jewish government as "occupant", I'm using this word in quotes, because occupation usually means taking territories of another country, while Israel is ONE country. And even this don't give full picture, since it was Arabian people who didn't wish to stay on their territories originally, and wanted all for themselves... This poll literally don't have sense. Correct question will be - who are terrorists, Jewish people or Arabian people, and history gives quite straight answer, that it's Arabian ones. And sad thing about this is that NOT ALL Arabian people are terrorists, some just suffer because they have terrorist government now. There is no easy answer of how to stop all this violence, but what I'm sure about is that Arabians don't give enough efforts to keep peace. Maybe if they tried diplomacy instead of terrorism - they would achieve something, who knows.
And only correct answer to the poll in this topic is "none of the above".
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Actually its not "a matter of fact", what is a fact is the term "Syria Palaestina" that was given to the Roman province of Judaea.
in other words, the majority of the owners of Judaea (Israel now days) ie -the Jewish people where rightfully owned the land of Israel where exiled, then the province name was change as an act against re- occupied Judaea and immigrants from other occupied lands brought instead - all that to make it hard on Jewish people get back there independence of Judaea and fight Rome again.
"some people might be using the poll to vote who they think are "the good guys", but that's not what it actually asks" - i see your point, i also think some dont understand the question and vote by flag only...
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Hope that it will end soon, and peace come to Middle East.
PS. I see that almost all ukr bots are now in this thread, and they became experts in Middle East.
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Holocaust Survivor, A Physician and Author, Dr Gabor Mate, talks about Israel/Palestine issue
Excerpt: To make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population
There is complete ignorance in West about the issue, they don't know that 50% of Gaza is under age of 18, that 447 children, 10 UN humanitarian workers and many more have died there from the IDF bombing in the past 2 days.
Breaking International law and Geneva convention all electricity, food, and water supply has been blocked by Israel government.
86% of Israelis blame the Israeli leadership. Yet Americans and Europeans are being pushed towards 100% genocidal thoughts by their government and media. I fear another Iraq is being planned by these evil people. I hope it does not happen.
Sending prayers for Palestine & the Jews, from India <3
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I am from the west and heard all of this in the news.
Feel free to use a translator on this liveblog if you don't believe me.
https://www.nu.nl/buitenland/6284392/israelische-troepen-zoeken-gijzelaars-na-invallen-in-gazastrook.html
It really is all mentioned there. (Actually it states it is 583 children now).
We have free and independent news, what makes you believe we have biased state media? And why do you believe we support deaths of innocent civilians?
What is your source? Do you actually have an argument to back this up? Or is it just random anti-west hate-speech?
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"Yet Americans and Europeans are being pushed towards 100% genocidal thoughts by their government and media."
That earned you a spot in my blacklist.
I do not know where do you got that information, but it is simply not true and to spread that kind of information is dangerous, as it suggests a phased/synchronised (not sure of the word, "gleichgeschaltet" in German) public opinion.
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Israel is manufacturing a case for genocide
Manufacturing consent by Israel
I don't know if you are young and did not see the situation after America's 9/11 which led to the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, but they were absolutely synchronised media and government operations with actual PR agencies used to make the case to the general public. Just to be clear I am not implying any crazy anti-semitic conspiracies like "jews control media" but having seen the way they sold everyone on the genocidal invasions 20 years ago, I can see huge parallels.
On the other hand you have hidden behind moderate language to claim babies are "future terrorists". I almost missed this earlier because I saw you defend OP when someone was insulting them. But I guess it's fine to be make cowardly bigoted statements like that against muslims. Perhaps you should have paid attention to your namesake when he quoted the hindu bhagwad gita "I have become Death" and the full meaning of it as not a call to violence but against it.
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I am old enough to remember 9/11 and there was no synchronised media, at least in Germany.
If you read "babies are "future terrorists"" as in a justification for anything, you misunderstood.
If you take a look at any situation with oppressed people, you will see flares of violence roughly every 15-20 years, when a new generation grew up and rebels against the oppression. So, in all likelyhood, there are babies today, somewhere in the world, that will grow up to be terrorists. That is in no way a justification for any action today - aside from providing better education for everyone worldwide.
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"๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ" hahahahahahaha
I died, are you a comedian?
I have so many words, but ill not share them with you because its useless, and I dont know how disconnected you have to be to create such a thread on this site, and why it wasnt deleted is beyond my imagination.
I am from Israel, my god damn close friends families are dead or kidnapped, and you even think of making this shit? do you even think?
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nope he doesnt, he is openly anti semitic and cant comprehend his subjective thoughts
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both sides are terrorists rn. Palestina bombing Israel ppl, Israel bombing Palestina ppl...kids dying, normal ppl dying
Actually anyone who stand by one side only(USA,GB 'were with you Israel') are hipocrites, because INNOCENT PPL DYING ON BOTH SIDES FROM BOTH SIDES
so Israel and Palestina have blood on hands, also both have done war crimes
BUT afair from school-its Israel who took Palestinas lands
Both are worth each other, sorry to say...
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This one video is enough to learn the cause of this conflict
https://youtu.be/5JzGzyaUnz0?si=rDjyH5lS0ugy1XnN
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Wasn't exactly sure what to think about the video, but then I saw your comment, looked at your profile, saw your bio, and I think that explains it.
He's a clown for pointing this out? Is it not true? Did your politicians not do that? Can you defend them or you feel it's justified? Do you have some data that goes against the video?
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You haven't watched the video it seems?
That part of the video of about 2 or 3 random people in a crowd shouting something isn't the most important, although it is a little weird to see the camera pan to other people smiling and laughing and cheering on the idea.
You have people in high powers who loudly express said opinions which are a little more than controversial yet not lose their jobs or receive major backlash for it. Something is up. Maybe explain that? What if a muslim politician in an important position was to say those things against jews or israeli? How would that be received? Or you can't handle criticism which is why there aren't any?
Nor did you explain the polls and how can you say it's reasonable for 50%+ to wish on such things.
Nor did you explain the laws on marriage, whether interreligious or palestinians with israeli.
Nor does it explain their self determination law, making it exclusive for jews to have rights. What about tourists for instance? They don't have rights if they're not jews?
Nor does it explain the nakba law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Law.
As for you saying you got people from over the world I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean or do with this. By the way, data underneath. It looks 73.5%+ jewish/israeli from what I see.
"The U.S. government estimates the total population at 8.9 million (midyear 2022). According to the countryโs Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) classification system (2021 data), approximately 73.8 percent of the population is Jewish, 18 percent Muslim, 1.9 percent Christian, and 1.6 percent Druze. The remaining 5 percent consists of those the CBS classifies as โother.โ "
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/441219-ISRAEL-2022-INTERNATIONAL-RELIGIOUS-FREEDOM-REPORT.pdf
"Israel's population stands at approximately 9.73 million. Jews make up the majority at 73.5% (about 7.145 million individuals).[3] The Arab community, spanning various religions excluding Judaism, accounts for 21% (around 2.048 million). An additional 5.5% (roughly 534,000 individuals) are classified as "others."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
If there are so many other races and religions as you claim, why not give them rights then?
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According to his SG profile I suspect that he's a bot.
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If you reduce this conflict to a binary of just two countries, then neithers hands are clean.
But as absurd as getting revenge on an enemy because they were getting revenge on you for that time you got revenge on them, etc, etc, etc, is... it is more absurd to totally ignore it when a defense minister publicly calls a people 'human animals'. There is no greater red flag than declaring an entire people to be subhuman.
War is ugly. We all understand that.
Yes, there will be collateral damage, that is expected.
But to turn a blind eye when they make zero effort in reducing that collateral damage, when the deciding authorities have no shame or fear in dehumanising an entire populace, and then when it is followed by hostile actions that harm non-combatants without concern? That is equally absurd.
I will not pretend to be familiar enough, insightful and informed enough, with enough lucidity to even begin waving a divine declaration of who has the true rights to the land nor to weigh one set of 'revenge sins' against the other, but neither will I pretend that the direct acting authorities of a country didn't declare another to be subhuman, nor while I pretend they didn't just openly use punitive measures that struck innocents equally to the guilty.
The amount of people crowing and posturing on this shit, gleefully writing off the lives and welfare of non-combatants as non-factors sickens me in equal measure. Perhaps it's just social media allowing the worst people to revel in the worst ways at this shit, but it's been a while since I despaired so much at what has become of us as a whole species. Not just the hateful shit leading to innocent deaths but how it's just treated like a fucking side-dish entertainment, like a debate-club favourite we can dabble in then discard when we're bored of it. And yeah that sounds hypocritical coming from me because I usually try to veer away from this complicated world-stage stuff, but when somebody does something so blatantly saturday morning cartoon-villain it's hard not to want to say "What the actual fuck?"
If the recently emerged claims of white phosophorous bombardment turns out to be true?
I'm going to somehow will the infinity gauntlet into reality and wear it while I perform the Addams Family theme song.
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๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐:
The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1918, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.
Today, Palestine theoretically includes the West Bank (a territory that sits between modern-day Israel and Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (which borders modern-day Israel and Egypt). However, control over this region is a complex and evolving situation. There is no international consensus concerning the borders, and many areas claimed by Palestinians have been occupied by Israelis for years.
More than 135 United Nations member countries recognize Palestine as an independent state, but Israel and some other countries, including the United States, donโt make this distinction.
(Source : https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine)
The 1993โฏOslo I Accordsโฏmediated the conflict, setting up a framework for the Palestinians to govern themselves in the West Bank and Gaza, and enabled mutual recognition between the newly established Palestinian Authority and Israelโs government. In 1995, theโฏOslo IIโฏAccords expanded on the first agreement, adding provisions that mandated the complete withdrawal of Israel from 6 cities and 450 towns in the West Bank.
In 2000, sparked in part by Palestinian grievances over Israelโs control over the West Bank, a stagnating peace process, and former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharonโsโฏvisitโฏto the al-Aqsa mosqueโthe third holiest site in Islamโin September 2000, Palestiniansโฏlaunchedโฏthe second intifada, which would last until 2005. In response, the Israeli government approved theโฏconstruction of a barrier wallโฏaround the West Bank in 2002, despiteโฏoppositionโฏfrom the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court.โฏ
Hamas won the Palestinian Authorityโs parliamentary elections in 2006, deposing longtime majority party Fatah. This gave Hamas, a political and armed movement inspired by the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, control of the Gaza Strip. Gaza is a small piece of land on the Mediterranean Sea that borders Egypt to the south and has been under the rule of the semi-autonomous Palestinian Authority since 1993. The United States and European Union, among others, did not acknowledge Hamasโ electoral victory, as the group has been considered a terrorist organization by western governments since the late 1990s.
(Source: https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict)
๐ ๐จ๐ซ๐๐๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง:
Before the British Mandate for Palestine, Jews made up approximately 6 percent of the total population. From 1947 to 1950, during the Nakba or โcatastropheโ, Zionist military forces expelled at least 750,000 Palestinians and captured 78 percent of historic Palestine. The remaining 22 percent was divided into the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
During the 1967 war, Israeli forces occupied all of historic Palestine and expelled a further 300,000 Palestinians from their homes. Today, Israel continues to force Palestinians in Jerusalem and the West Bank from their homes and lands, which are often taken over by Jewish Israeli settlers.
๐ ธ๐ ป๐ ป๐ ด๐ ถ๐ ฐ๐ ป ๐ ธ๐๐๐ ฐ๐ ด๐ ป๐ ธ ๐๐ ด๐๐๐ ป๐ ด๐ ผ๐ ด๐ ฝ๐๐:
Israeli settlements are Jewish communities built illegally on Palestinian land. Today there are between 600,000 and 750,000 Israeli settlers living in at least 250 illegal settlements (130 official, 120 unofficial) in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Israeli settlements are illegal under international law as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies.
The population of Israeli settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem is growing at a faster rate than the population of Israel. Roughly 10 percent of Israelโs 6.8 million Jewish population lives in these occupied Palestinian territories.
Despite being outside of Israel proper, these settlers are granted Israeli citizenship and receive government subsidies that significantly lower their cost of living. In contrast, Palestinians living in the West Bank are subject to Israeli military law.
(Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine)
[๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐.]
Writing a long post for the First time i know its not in perfect formatting but i just need to write this post for the awareness because western media is showing totally different thing. Writing this for the people of Palestine๐ต๐ธโค๏ธ๐ต๐ฐ. Stay Strong we๐ต๐ฐ people are with YOU!
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PALESTINIAN PEOPLE GOT NO ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE ON THE OTHER HAND ISRAEL GOT ALL THREE FORCES (IDF) AND PEOPLE STILL TARGET THE ONLY HOPE PALESTINIAN GOT. THATS NOT HATE SPEECH?. PEOPLE ARE TRYING HARD TO TAKE AWAY THE ONLY DEFENCE FORCE( THEIR ONLY HOPE) PALESTINIAN GOT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT IDF TERRORISTS ITS HATE SPEECH. IT SADLY LOOKS LIKE "HATE SPEECH" ONLY APPLIES ON ONE SIDE ONLY. IF HAMAS FIGHTERS COMMIT ANY CRIME THEY MUST BE PUNISHED(according to international law) SAME GOES FOR IDF TERRORISTS TOO. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR CRIMINALS.
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๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐๐ญ๐๐ ๐๐ฒ ๐๐๐ฆ๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtE9HMtiOc&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye
๐๐ฎ๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ข๐ซ ๐๐ข๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐๐ค๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISs0AwztGQ&ab_channel=PeopleBeforeProfitOfficialChannel
๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUqAAzn0oY
๐๐๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐: ๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ง๐ข๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyje3Jh8z9k
๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ก๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ ๐ ๐จ๐ฏ'๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ฆ๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPIlm4-jJ_U
๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญโ: ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐โ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ข๐จ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62XrIoEhx1w&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye
๐๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐:
(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐ณ๐, ๐๐๐๐๐ง๐จ๐ง, ๐๐ง๐๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=All88nZIKvQ&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฉ๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฒ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐๐๐ซ๐จ๐ง
(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.
"๐๐ ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ" | (๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐) ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฅ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2H-F0HVKDY
๐ ๐๐ค๐ ๐ง๐๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ-๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFiZN7ceVw&ab_channel=TRTWorld
๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ณ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ ๐ - ๐๐ง ๐๐ฒ๐๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeuNRaNGQr8&ab_channel=Channel4News
๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ-๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐: โ๐๐ก๐ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐กโ:["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEBqvMEFExY&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish
๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง: "๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTiOp9dw4Y&ab_channel=IslamChannel
๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฅ - ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbnaOwZgPwE&ab_channel=Khan%27sNotes
Its sad to see some people are still supporting this genocide.["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wwAjeePOo
โWe didnโt do it! And if we did, it was an accident. And if it wasnโt, it was their fault anyway.โIsraeli Defense Forces Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnNgMmCM-JE
https://twitter.com/AllezLesBoulez/status/1714378224099053600?t=AQXbAGC_VYlMli4XyjySZw&s=19
Running out of words to see Pro-israeli butcher Terrorists doing propaganda here. Thank fully i am not brainwashed by western media. I don't believe on the fake edited video shown on almost every western media. I only believe in logic and technicalities. As experts say the area of impact of hamas rockets are 25m max, the bomb took out the whole hospital. Which is 10x bigger than the area of impact of domestically produced hamas rockets. Still These terrorist butcher are justifying/lying blaming hamas and making people fool. These butchers are not even Jews. Their own ๐๐๐๐๐ข ๐ ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐๐ง: "๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐" said it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqrDdal2gjI&ab_channel=TRTWorld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emR64gEIn9k&ab_channel=TRTWorld ["๐๐๐ ๐"]
Israelโs history of 'lying' about airstrikes | The Big Picture S3E4["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9TwBqDe_I0
Benjamin Netayahuโs aide backtracks on claim Israel bombed hospital["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTghchUzjSM
'Anti-Zionist' Jewish rabbi calls for peace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVuHgaTdysY
'Not in our name' Jewish people disowning Israel like Muslims disown ISIS and Taliban terror groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_LP7DyE_us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbwNAqllmoo
Was the Gaza hospital attack caused by a failed rocket launch?["๐๐๐ ๐"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNLvL_8SeY
๐๐ง๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ข๐๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐ฅ ๐จ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฆ๐๐ฌ, ๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข ๐๐๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ. ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ซ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ๐ข๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐ ๐๐ฆ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐.๐ต๐ธ
๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ฒ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ฌ ๐๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง. ๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ซ๐. ๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐๐ซ ๐ฌ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ง. ๐๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ซ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐๐ซ.
(๐๐ก๐๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ฏ๐จ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ )
[๐๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ซ๐๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ซ๐๐ฌ ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฌ. ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐.]
๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ข๐๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐๐ฅ๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ.
I also want to know that if i spam/insult someone i get temporary ban. I reported few people who called me terrorist openly, abuse me and my family openly, insulted me in every possible way, continuously spamming my thread with thier fake IDF propaganda and still lurking around. Why they are not banned yet why there is double standard. Its been 5 days. looks like different rules for different people?. They can do whatever they want mods are favouring them? or the rules only apply on me?. I waited patiently 5 days.
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