๐Ž๐•๐„๐‘๐•๐ˆ๐„๐–:
The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1918, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Today, Palestine theoretically includes the West Bank (a territory that sits between modern-day Israel and Jordan) and the Gaza Strip (which borders modern-day Israel and Egypt). However, control over this region is a complex and evolving situation. There is no international consensus concerning the borders, and many areas claimed by Palestinians have been occupied by Israelis for years.

More than 135 United Nations member countries recognize Palestine as an independent state, but Israel and some other countries, including the United States, donโ€™t make this distinction.
(Source : https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/palestine)

The 1993โ€ฏOslo I Accordsโ€ฏmediated the conflict, setting up a framework for the Palestinians to govern themselves in the West Bank and Gaza, and enabled mutual recognition between the newly established Palestinian Authority and Israelโ€™s government. In 1995, theโ€ฏOslo IIโ€ฏAccords expanded on the first agreement, adding provisions that mandated the complete withdrawal of Israel from 6 cities and 450 towns in the West Bank.

In 2000, sparked in part by Palestinian grievances over Israelโ€™s control over the West Bank, a stagnating peace process, and former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharonโ€™sโ€ฏvisitโ€ฏto the al-Aqsa mosqueโ€”the third holiest site in Islamโ€”in September 2000, Palestiniansโ€ฏlaunchedโ€ฏthe second intifada, which would last until 2005. In response, the Israeli government approved theโ€ฏconstruction of a barrier wallโ€ฏaround the West Bank in 2002, despiteโ€ฏoppositionโ€ฏfrom the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court.โ€ฏ

Hamas won the Palestinian Authorityโ€™s parliamentary elections in 2006, deposing longtime majority party Fatah. This gave Hamas, a political and armed movement inspired by the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, control of the Gaza Strip. Gaza is a small piece of land on the Mediterranean Sea that borders Egypt to the south and has been under the rule of the semi-autonomous Palestinian Authority since 1993. The United States and European Union, among others, did not acknowledge Hamasโ€™ electoral victory, as the group has been considered a terrorist organization by western governments since the late 1990s.
(Source: https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict)

๐…๐จ๐ซ๐œ๐ž๐ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง:
Before the British Mandate for Palestine, Jews made up approximately 6 percent of the total population. From 1947 to 1950, during the Nakba or โ€œcatastropheโ€, Zionist military forces expelled at least 750,000 Palestinians and captured 78 percent of historic Palestine. The remaining 22 percent was divided into the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

During the 1967 war, Israeli forces occupied all of historic Palestine and expelled a further 300,000 Palestinians from their homes. Today, Israel continues to force Palestinians in Jerusalem and the West Bank from their homes and lands, which are often taken over by Jewish Israeli settlers.

๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ถ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป ๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ†‚๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ ๐Ÿ†‚๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ผ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ฝ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†‚:
Israeli settlements are Jewish communities built illegally on Palestinian land. Today there are between 600,000 and 750,000 Israeli settlers living in at least 250 illegal settlements (130 official, 120 unofficial) in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Israeli settlements are illegal under international law as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies.

The population of Israeli settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem is growing at a faster rate than the population of Israel. Roughly 10 percent of Israelโ€™s 6.8 million Jewish population lives in these occupied Palestinian territories.

Despite being outside of Israel proper, these settlers are granted Israeli citizenship and receive government subsidies that significantly lower their cost of living. In contrast, Palestinians living in the West Bank are subject to Israeli military law.
(Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine)

[๐ˆ ๐๐„๐•๐„๐‘ ๐‚๐‹๐€๐ˆ๐Œ๐„๐ƒ ๐“๐‡๐€๐“ ๐€๐‹๐‹ ๐“๐‡๐„ ๐Œ๐€๐“๐„๐‘๐ˆ๐€๐‹ ๐€๐๐Ž๐•๐„ ๐ˆ๐’ ๐Œ๐˜ ๐‚๐Ž๐๐“๐„๐๐“ ๐ˆ๐“๐’ ๐“๐€๐Š๐„๐ ๐…๐‘๐Ž๐Œ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐ƒ๐ˆ๐…๐…๐„๐‘๐„๐๐“ ๐€๐”๐“๐‡๐„๐๐“๐ˆ๐‚ ๐’๐Ž๐”๐‘๐‚๐„๐’ ๐ˆ๐ ๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ๐„๐‘ ๐“๐Ž ๐Œ๐€๐ˆ๐๐“๐€๐ˆ๐ ๐“๐‡๐„ ๐€๐”๐“๐‡๐„๐๐“๐ˆ๐‚๐ˆ๐“๐˜ ๐Ž๐… ๐“๐‡๐„ ๐๐Ž๐’๐“.]

Writing a long post for the First time i know its not in perfect formatting but i just need to write this post for the awareness because western media is showing totally different thing. Writing this for the people of Palestine๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฐ. Stay Strong we๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฐ people are with YOU!

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PALESTINIAN PEOPLE GOT NO ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE ON THE OTHER HAND ISRAEL GOT ALL THREE FORCES (IDF) AND PEOPLE STILL TARGET THE ONLY HOPE PALESTINIAN GOT. THATS NOT HATE SPEECH?. PEOPLE ARE TRYING HARD TO TAKE AWAY THE ONLY DEFENCE FORCE( THEIR ONLY HOPE) PALESTINIAN GOT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT IDF TERRORISTS ITS HATE SPEECH. IT SADLY LOOKS LIKE "HATE SPEECH" ONLY APPLIES ON ONE SIDE ONLY. IF HAMAS FIGHTERS COMMIT ANY CRIME THEY MUST BE PUNISHED(according to international law) SAME GOES FOR IDF TERRORISTS TOO. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR CRIMINALS.

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๐Ÿ’๐ŸŽ ๐›๐š๐›๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐›๐ฒ ๐‡๐š๐ฆ๐š๐ฌ ๐…๐€๐Š๐„ ๐๐„๐–๐’ ๐„๐—๐๐Ž๐’๐„๐ƒ:["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFtE9HMtiOc&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye

๐‡๐ฎ๐ ๐ž ๐‘๐ž๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ญ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐’๐ข๐ซ ๐‘๐ข๐œ๐ก๐š๐ซ๐ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐š๐ค๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISs0AwztGQ&ab_channel=PeopleBeforeProfitOfficialChannel

๐…๐Ž๐‘ ๐“๐‡๐Ž๐’๐„ ๐’๐€๐˜๐ˆ๐๐† ๐‡๐€๐Œ๐€๐’ ๐๐Ž๐“ ๐‹๐„๐“๐“๐ˆ๐๐† ๐๐„๐Ž๐๐‹๐„ ๐‹๐„๐€๐•๐„ ๐†๐€๐™๐€:["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUqAAzn0oY

๐๐ž๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐Ž๐›๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐ž: ๐”๐Š ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ฉ๐š๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฐ๐š๐ฒ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ž๐ญ๐ก๐ง๐ข๐œ ๐œ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ข๐ง ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyje3Jh8z9k

๐‰๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง๐š๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ฌ ๐”๐’ ๐ ๐จ๐ฏ'๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐œ๐จ๐ง๐๐ž๐ฆ๐ง ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š ๐ฌ๐ข๐ž๐ ๐ž:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPIlm4-jJ_U

๐„๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š ๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ ๐ž๐ญโ€™: ๐๐š๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐žโ€™๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐จ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐œ๐จ๐ง๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐ž

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62XrIoEhx1w&ab_channel=MiddleEastEye

๐‘๐„๐€๐‹ ๐…๐€๐‚๐„ ๐Ž๐… ๐ˆ๐‹๐‹๐„๐†๐€๐‹ ๐Ž๐‚๐‚๐”๐๐€๐๐“๐’:

(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.

๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ž ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š, ๐‹๐ž๐›๐š๐ง๐จ๐ง, ๐ž๐ง๐๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐œ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐š๐ง๐ฌ:["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=All88nZIKvQ&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish

๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ๐ข ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ ๐š๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฉ๐ž๐ง ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ซ๐ž ๐š๐ญ ๐ฎ๐ง๐š๐ซ๐ฆ๐ž๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐…๐ซ๐ข๐๐š๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐š๐ฒ๐ž๐ซ ๐ข๐ง ๐‡๐ž๐›๐ซ๐จ๐ง

(will add shortly AGAIN) or you can search it on youtube.

"๐–๐ž ๐‚๐ซ๐ฒ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐š๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐š๐ง๐ฌ" | (๐€ ๐‘๐„๐€๐‹ ๐‰๐„๐–) ๐‘๐š๐›๐›๐ข ๐˜๐ข๐ฌ๐ซ๐จ๐ž๐ฅ ๐ƒ๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐–๐ž๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2H-F0HVKDY

๐…๐š๐ค๐ž ๐ง๐ž๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ-๐๐š๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ž ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ:["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFiZN7ceVw&ab_channel=TRTWorld

๐ˆ๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š ๐ฌ๐ข๐ž๐ ๐ž - ๐š๐ง ๐ž๐ฒ๐ž๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ง๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeuNRaNGQr8&ab_channel=Channel4News

๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ-๐๐š๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ž: โ€˜๐“๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฏ๐ข๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐กโ€™:["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEBqvMEFExY&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish

๐‘๐š๐›๐›๐ข ๐…๐ž๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐š๐ง: "๐“๐‡๐„ ๐’๐“๐€๐“๐„ ๐Ž๐… ๐ˆ๐’๐‘๐€๐„๐‹ ๐ƒ๐Ž๐„๐’ ๐๐Ž๐“ ๐‘๐„๐๐‘๐„๐’๐„๐๐“ ๐€๐‹๐‹ ๐‰๐„๐–๐’"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTiOp9dw4Y&ab_channel=IslamChannel

๐“๐ซ๐ฎ๐ž ๐‰๐ฎ๐๐š๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐™๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐€๐ซ๐ž ๐€๐›๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ญ ๐„๐ช๐ฎ๐š๐ฅ - ๐‘๐š๐›๐›๐ข ๐ƒ๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐…๐ž๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐š๐ง

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbnaOwZgPwE&ab_channel=Khan%27sNotes

Its sad to see some people are still supporting this genocide.["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wwAjeePOo

โ€œWe didnโ€™t do it! And if we did, it was an accident. And if it wasnโ€™t, it was their fault anyway.โ€Israeli Defense Forces Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnNgMmCM-JE

https://twitter.com/AllezLesBoulez/status/1714378224099053600?t=AQXbAGC_VYlMli4XyjySZw&s=19

Running out of words to see Pro-israeli butcher Terrorists doing propaganda here. Thank fully i am not brainwashed by western media. I don't believe on the fake edited video shown on almost every western media. I only believe in logic and technicalities. As experts say the area of impact of hamas rockets are 25m max, the bomb took out the whole hospital. Which is 10x bigger than the area of impact of domestically produced hamas rockets. Still These terrorist butcher are justifying/lying blaming hamas and making people fool. These butchers are not even Jews. Their own ๐‘๐š๐›๐›๐ข ๐…๐ž๐ฅ๐๐ฆ๐š๐ง: "๐“๐‡๐„ ๐’๐“๐€๐“๐„ ๐Ž๐… ๐ˆ๐’๐‘๐€๐„๐‹ ๐ƒ๐Ž๐„๐’ ๐๐Ž๐“ ๐‘๐„๐๐‘๐„๐’๐„๐๐“ ๐€๐‹๐‹ ๐‰๐„๐–๐’" said it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqrDdal2gjI&ab_channel=TRTWorld

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emR64gEIn9k&ab_channel=TRTWorld ["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

Israelโ€™s history of 'lying' about airstrikes | The Big Picture S3E4["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9TwBqDe_I0

Benjamin Netayahuโ€™s aide backtracks on claim Israel bombed hospital["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTghchUzjSM

'Anti-Zionist' Jewish rabbi calls for peace:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVuHgaTdysY

'Not in our name' Jewish people disowning Israel like Muslims disown ISIS and Taliban terror groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_LP7DyE_us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbwNAqllmoo

Was the Gaza hospital attack caused by a failed rocket launch?["๐๐’๐…๐–"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyNLvL_8SeY

๐€๐ง๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐œ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐š๐ง๐ฌ, ๐ข๐ˆ๐ฅ๐ž๐ ๐š๐ฅ ๐จ๐œ๐œ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ ๐œ๐ซ๐ข๐ฆ๐ž๐ฌ, ๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ฏ๐š ๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐’๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ๐ข ๐“๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ. ๐…๐ž๐ž๐ฅ ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐ž๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐š๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ ๐ˆ ๐š๐ฆ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐š๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ญ๐ข๐œ ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ช๐ฎ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐ˆ ๐š๐ฆ ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐๐š๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ž.๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ

๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐š๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ ๐š๐ง๐ฒ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐ช๐ฎ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฉ๐ž๐š๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฌ๐š๐ฆ๐ž ๐ช๐ฎ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง. ๐‘๐ž๐š๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐š๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž. ๐ˆ ๐œ๐š๐ง๐ญ ๐š๐ง๐ฌ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฆ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐  ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง. ๐ˆ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐š ๐œ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž๐ซ ๐ช๐ฎ๐ž๐ซ๐ฒ ๐œ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ.
(๐“๐ก๐š๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฏ๐จ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐š๐ง๐ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ )

[๐€๐œ๐œ๐จ๐ซ๐๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐จ ๐’๐† ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ข๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ซ๐ž๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ฌ. ๐๐‹๐„๐€๐’๐„ ๐‹๐„๐“ ๐Œ๐„ ๐Š๐๐Ž๐– ๐๐„๐…๐Ž๐‘๐„ ๐“๐€๐Š๐ˆ๐๐† ๐ƒ๐Ž๐–๐ ๐“๐‡๐„ ๐“๐‡๐‘๐„๐€๐ƒ.]

๐’๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ข๐š๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ค๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฒ๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐ž๐ฅ๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฆ๐ž ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ช๐ฎ๐š๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ.

I also want to know that if i spam/insult someone i get temporary ban. I reported few people who called me terrorist openly, abuse me and my family openly, insulted me in every possible way, continuously spamming my thread with thier fake IDF propaganda and still lurking around. Why they are not banned yet why there is double standard. Its been 5 days. looks like different rules for different people?. They can do whatever they want mods are favouring them? or the rules only apply on me?. I waited patiently 5 days.

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Who is illegal occupant in your vision?

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Palestine๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ
Israel๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

๐€๐‘๐‘๐Ž๐†๐€๐๐‚๐„ ๐Ž๐… ๐Ÿคฌ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ๐ข ๐“๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฌ:
Normal person will never chant things like these

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P0yY5UbegtY

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Does it feel like looking in a mirror?

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He doesnt feel, hes emotionless if you didnt notice.

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"๐€๐‘๐‘๐Ž๐†๐€๐๐‚๐„ ๐Ž๐… ๐ŸคฌYour mom is a ๐“๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ"
Remind me who are you to call a whole country Terrorists?
Please keep reporting him, maybe a mod will wake up.

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Its not whole country just few people. Thanks

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Youre welcome, thanks for spreading lies :D

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nah your mom is worse, otherwise you wouldnt be like this

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As much as I dislike OP, is insulting their family really the best way to go?

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Imagine you personally know many many friends that their parts of their families were murdered (some even on a peace festival), raped, kidnapped. And you go to your daily GAMING forum and seeing someone UNRELATED to this conflict labeling your country as terrorists.
The best way to go is closing this joke of a thread, not because of palestine (although I think politics arent related here either) but because this uneducated person is spreading lies and labeling very very serious topics unempathically.

And yes, if he can insult all of my friends families, me, and every Israeli citizens and label us terrorists (lol), ill joke around and write stupid shit too.

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I completely get you.but OP here is a total lost cause and you should try to ignore him as hard as that can be, he is a radical and deserves to be on all sort of government watch lists.
As the saying goes, Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down and beat you with experience.

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yeah keep on killing the bengali hindu, the genocide that is going on for decades by pakistani

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Thanks.

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This is long, tragic conflict and both sides have blood on their hands and have list of countless commited crimes No side can say about them they're rightous one, and honestly I can't imagine how this conflict can be peacefully resolved

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As an Israeli and someone that actually lives in the conflict, it cant, every time you wipe terrorists new ones rise and terrorise.
Its sad to see, but what can you do, the time has come that we stop remaining silent and letting the rockets hit us, time to end this once and for all.

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I am pretty sure "to end this once and for all" will not work. A new generation will grow up hearing tales of how horrible recent years were and there will be a new terrorist wave in about 15-20 years.
Please do not misunderstand me, I would love to see a peaceful middle east, but I am pessimistic there will be a lasting peace in my lifetime.

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Maybe youre wrong, maybe youre right, no one knows, I hope of never hearing a siren because of gaza again.

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Let's hope I am wrong.
I can't imagine the terror of sirens. Wish you have peace as soon as possible.

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Genocide is not the solution.

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Didnt say it is, whoever wants to leave is free to go anywhere he wishes to, like in all past years, with hunderds of warrnings, including warnings before a building is about to get destroyed.

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When your country 'does not exist', you cannot legally enter other countries, so, they can't 'go anywhere they wish to'. And since they are 'poor' and 'terrorists', no one would take them even as refugees.

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And how is it Israels fault no one accept them as refugees?

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Who is saying they are terrorists? Why do you think the world takes what Israel says as gospel?

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To stay on the Steamgifts side of things:

How many additional blacklists this thread earned you?

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1 from you

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it's the only reason why i'm here xD

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I don't think it's much. Most people blacklisted him back in Ukraine Awareness Thread.

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I got 7 from that one.

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9

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What's happening now happened back in the 50s in Algeria and other countries (India, Congo, Vietnam...etc), you got a colonizer who is stealing your lands, killing innocents civilians for the past 60 years, try to wipe you out of existence, all of this you get a revolution against you. French people/media/soldiers called the ALN (National Liberation Army) terrorists, defending and trying to get back their homeland, same as hamas. People trying to get their independence are automatically terrorists. This is the world we lives in, you try to swim counter current you get your ass kicked.

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Agreed.

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I've just remember two stories by Robert Sheckley that were quite shocking to my early-teens mind and that many people writing in this thread should read right now - both those who support crimes of Hamas (although those are probably too far gone) and especially those who, like a person above, stand for ยซending this once and for allยป - the point I've approached way too closely yesterday. I'm talking about ยซWatchbirdยป and ยซThe Last Weaponยป. Seriously, just read them, they are pretty short.

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Ending the rockets, kidnapping, murdering, raping, Yes, I stand for ending those indeed.
You cant even imagine how my country would look like if we didnt have Iron Dome, imagine Thousands of rockets at the same time landing on a few hundreds of kilometers of land that millions of people live in it.

Imagine waking up to sirens, hearing from dear friends that they dont know where their close ones are, hearing there is a slaughterhouse.

You cant imagine it without experiencing it.

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Like genocide? Like weapons of mass destruction? Because they just can't evacuate, Hamas won't accept an evacuation, terrorists need their live shields, so it will be a genocide, and Gaza babies are as innocent as butchered Israeli infants. Mind you, I'm miles away from judging people like you, I get the desire to survive and protect your family and friends, and I do wish you all the best. I just have no right to judge you while sitting in safety. And I've got no idea what Israel is supposed to do to protect its citizens. But you are basically suggesting annihilating civilians, and your country official rhetoric dehumanizes them and blames them for not destroying Hamas themselves (I'm Russian, so that's personal, I've also heard my fair share of ยซyou haven't dethroned Putin, so it's your faultยป). It's easy to forget that they are humans as well after such horrendous crimes from terrorists based on the same territory where they live, but they are.

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I am Russian too, with russian citizenship.
Comparing putin a warmonger to Israeli leadership is a bad comparison, anyway our leadership isnt leading anything in this war its trash, our army is acting basically by itself.
What do you think that Gaza babies are gonna do when they grow up? build a country? or like all this time they had the babies are gonna grow up and join Terrorism?
Its the sad truth but it is what it is. The only way of escaping Hamas and Terrorism is escaping Gaza, there is no other way.
If someone chooses to live there he chooses to risk his life, and if he doesnt choose to live there but cant escape its sad but there is nothing to do but live a risky life.
Nothing will change until every root of Terror in Gaza is stripped off, and even then the babies that were innocent will grow up to be terrorists.
Thats how its been and thats how it will unfortunately remain.

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If it isn't your intention to suggest it's OK to kill Palestinian babies because they would only grow up to be terrorists, you should seriously reconsider this post.

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Its not ok to kill any civilian, but you dont fight terrorists and war crimes with defense and sorries, you fight them with killings, welcome to war :)

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I'm inclined to think you don't really believe that, and you're just getting a little kick out of being callous because the current situation is so horrific and painful.

On the other hand, the psychopathic scum in Hamas genuinely seem to believe that killing infants is essential for them to win their freedom, so I suppose it's not impossible for you to genuinely believe Israel can only ensure your safety by doing the same.

As I say, I hope that's not what you really think. In any case, I remain grateful to be far removed from the "bad" baby killers and the "good" baby killers.

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You can be inclined to anything you want to be, and push yourself to whatever thoughts you have.

The situation is painful, and I live in it, not you behind your monitor safe in whatever place you are.

The only thing I am sure will grant me and my country safety is wiping Hamas and other Terrorist groups, whatever needs to be done, like in every war, civilians are killed, if we cant wipe Hamas without wiping some civilians, then civilians have to die, just like thousands in my country died for these pigs.

Another note, we cared for far too long about the Terrorist setups, hiding in hostpitals, hiding in schools, for Israel to have 2 choices either kill them and have people like youreself be inclined towards "oh no Israel is so bad it destroyed a hostpital", or keep our civilians always with sirens, dead by rockets and what not.

I am grateful Israel finally is giving 0 shits about what people will think, because it didnt ever matter, and finally is fighting for itself and for our people and country.

Freedom is coming, mercy for my people is coming and thats what matters, finally
Haters can hate <3

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๐Ÿคฌ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ๐ข ๐“๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ:
๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ๐ข ๐š๐ข๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ข๐ค๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š'๐ฌ ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐š๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ '๐ฆ๐š๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ ๐ซ๐š๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-u26NGH2q4&ab_channel=TRTWorld

๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐ญ๐ž ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง ๐†๐š๐ณ๐š, ๐‹๐ž๐›๐š๐ง๐จ๐ง, ๐ž๐ง๐๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐œ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐š๐ง๐ฌ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=All88nZIKvQ&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish

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Thanks for sharing.

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Germany clashes with and bans Palestinian protests

Video published on October 8th, it's dark in there, so it's from evening on October 7th. Thus it wasn't a protest against Israel's current actions, but rather a provocative backing of Hamas' actions back then.

In general, protests in Germany have to be approved by local authorities, evaluating the risk of crimes being committed, based on previous similar protests. Even if protests by Palestinians themselves were meant to only express the desire for freedom and peace, these protests have been hijacked by antisemitic Neonazis or left extremists (vs Zionists/USA) in the past.

An approved common protest by Israelis and Palestinians to stop violence on both sides would be a great sign. But that won't happen soon.

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From all the information I gathered, the problem really began with Zinoism, both parts sabotaging one another to prevent any truce, and of course neither respecting the few treaties they were coerced to accept. However, I think Israel having more allies, more money and more power, is more to blame for things getting so out of hand.

I'll just say, it takes two to wage war, there is no objectively good or evil on any war. And, I sympathize with the citizens of both nations that got dragged by the hate and arrogance of those in power.

Gentle reminder that Hamas did win elections, but only on Gaza, they do not recognize the Palestinian government and that when you win an election, it doesn't mean the 100% of the population is behind you.

For people that can only sympathize with Israel and think all Palestinian are terrorist, I want you to think the following exercise, imagine someone came to your home, claiming its theirs, because it was theirs more than 2 thousand years ago, then a fucking army comes with them and kicks you out. Wouldn't be pretty fair, right? Specially when you consider these people had citizenship on other countries, they had other places to go, but you, not so much, specially now that the strongest countries on earth don't even acknowledge your country is even real.

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Very well summarized. Thanks for sharing.

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.> However, I think Israel having more allies, more money and more power, is more to blame for things getting so out of hand.

Really? So, it's fault of Jewish people that Arabic people started the war against them?

I'll just say, it takes two to wage war, there is no objectively good or evil on any war.

So, if somebody shoots you - you are also at fault about this conflict, right? And to the same level as the one who shoot? You just literally said it.

Gentle reminder that Hamas did win elections, but only on Gaza, they do not recognize the Palestinian government and that when you win an election, it doesn't mean the 100% of the population is behind you.

Nobody says that all Arabic people are terrorists. But Hamas are terrorists, and they are technically a government of Palestine now. So, maybe if Palestinians don't want war - they must first do something about this terrorist government, eh? And, you know, start diplomacy?

For people that can only sympathize with Israel and think all Palestinian are terrorist, I want you to think the following exercise, imagine someone came to your home, claiming its theirs, because it was theirs more than 2 thousand years ago, then a fucking army comes with them and kicks you out. Wouldn't be pretty fair, right? Specially when you consider these people had citizenship on other countries, they had other places to go, but you, not so much, specially now that the strongest countries on earth don't even acknowledge your country is even real.

Do you understand that the guy with a home is Jewish in this example, and the one that come with army is Arabic? Because that's what historically happened. Territory was under Ottoman Empire, then under British rule, and after that it was divided UNEVENLY between Arabic and Jewish people, and Arabic people got MOST of it. They had a shit ton of place to live. Yet, they started a war against Jewish people because of religious motives and overall hatred. Yes, they lost, and with that they also lost part of territories (but biggest part is still their, it's called Jordan). And you trying to claim that it's Jewish people are baddies here? Don't be ridiculous.

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I think I have to disagree on some of your answers...

Really? So, it's fault of Jewish people that Arabic people started the war against them?

It depends on when do you think the war began? Was it when Israel conquered Canaan? If so, the original inhabitants of the land who were the Canaanites became extinct, they are not related at all to modern Palestinians. Or was it when the Assyrian Empire conquered them? Or when the Babylonians did? Or the Persians? or the Hellenistics? Or the Romans? Or the United Kingdom? Or finally Israel back again? The current people of Palestine have been on that land since Israel conquered it for the first time, they shared the land with he Jews, they even share some blood and history. Other Jewish left their land to avoid persecution form Christianism, the Arabs stayed and some Jews also stayed, which is why they share both history and blood.

So, if somebody shoots you - you are also at fault about this conflict, right? And to the same level as the one who shoot? You just literally
said it.

Depends on why they shoot me, if I have more options, than them, and I coerce them to shoot, then it'd be my fault, is like walking alone on the most dangerous part and hour in a city with a lot of money on my hands. Would I be robbed? Probably. Is it my fault? I'd say at least partially. Is the robber not to blame? It's also their fault, but, I'm definitely not innocent either.

Nobody says that all Arabic people are terrorists. But Hamas are terrorists, and they are technically a government of Palestine now. So, > > maybe if Palestinians don't want war - they must first do something about this terrorist government, eh? And, you know, start diplomacy?

You are saying that not all Arabs are terrorist, but that all Palestinians are guilty for letting an extremist group that was backed at some point in time by Israel to declare independence from them and seize control of a part of their territory. The problem is that, to the Palestinians, they are terrorists, yes, but, they are also revolutionaries, they're literally fighting the people that took their land from them. You can't compare them to other terrorist groups.

Do you understand that the guy with a home is Jewish in this example, and the one that come with army is Arabic? Because that's what > > historically happened. Territory was under Ottoman Empire, then under British rule, and after that it was divided UNEVENLY between > > > Arabic and Jewish people, and Arabic people got MOST of it. They had a shit ton of place to live. Yet, they started a war against Jewish > > people because of religious motives and overall hatred. Yes, they lost, and with that they also lost part of territories (but biggest part is still > their, it's called Jordan). And you trying to claim that it's Jewish people are baddies here? Don't be ridiculous.

Yes, the guy with a home in Germany is Jewish and he is going to the home of a Palestine to establish a new nation because in his religious book it says that it belongs to them. Even thou it hasn't in almost 4000 years. When that happened all the Arabic nations opposed, and fought a war, they lost, and even thou Israel won, they gave back the land they won from Egypt. They then ruled the land with an iron fist, got fed up of it, and then gave it back to Palestine, and here we are now.

If we follow your logic, Ukraine is the invader on the conflict on your own country, because they declared independence in 1991, but prior to that, it was a part of Russia, but wait, that's not right, because if we go as far as record allow us, it was called Kievan Rus' and it was actually a mix of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine. Oh, so, it was Russian after all... See the problem here?

Israel and Palestine are the same, it has always been of both, so you can't just cherry pick and say Russia is invading Ukraine, but say Israel is not invading Palestine. When both conflicts share so much in common. A local government and its people being invaded by a superpower because of history and heritage. And the people that have lived the most time there are just defending themselves from what they consider invaders.

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It depends on when do you think the war began?

It's not about what I think. It's about history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

if I have more options, than them, and I coerce them to shoot, then it'd be my fault,

I'm sorry, but you are crazy. In the law of all countries the one who shoots is criminal.

You can't compare them to other terrorist groups.

I can and I will. Sentiments do not matter. If you support terrorists because you see them as "revolutionaries" you still support terrorists.

Even thou it hasn't in almost 4000 years.

It didn't belong to Arabic people too. It belonged to Britain, and before that - to Ottoman empire. So, Arabic people are okay to claim this land even if it didn't belong to them before, and jewish people are not okay to claim this land even if it didn't belong to them before? You are a hypocrite, kind sir.

If we follow your logic, Ukraine is the invader on the conflict on your own country, because they declared independence in 1991, but prior to that, it was a part of Russia,

Nope, it wasn't. It was a part of USSR, which officially ceased to exist. Learn history maybe, will you?

Israel and Palestine are the same, it has always been of both, so you can't just cherry pick and say Russia is invading Ukraine, but say Israel is not invading Palestine.

No, it's not the same. Ukraine was a separate state, recognized by Russin, I mind you. On top of this, Russia even signed a special treaty about Ukraine's independence and sovereignty (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum)! Palestine didn't even exist as a state when Israel was formed. Saying that those cases are the same is just pure manipulation. So, technically a first Arab-Israely war was indeed " A local government and its people being invaded by a superpower because of history and heritage", but the local government was Jewish and superpower was Arabic. Only difference is that Israel had better support from US an EU (and maybe they are a better fighters too, who knows), so they did much better in this war (but never were able to finish it, because even after so many losses attacking side never agrees to negotiate). Actually, Ukraine only holds so long because of help from US and EU too, so it's much the same as Israel in this regard.

And, in the end - I never said that Jewish government in Israel are saints and never did anything wrong. They did and probably will do again. But I strongly believe, that terror acts are terrible answer for their wrongdoings. Only diplomacy can end this war. And Hamas, as you can see, don't negotiate, they just refer to terror again and again. So yes, I believe that first step for Palestinians to win - it to fight against Hamas, not with them.

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It's not about what I think. It's about history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

OK, so it started on 1948 a place called British Mandate of Palestine, why is it called Palestine if it's on Israel territory? Who do you think lived there if its called Palestine? The answer is the British, the Jewish and the Palestine btw, which is why they spoke English, Arabic and Hebrew.

I'm sorry, but you are crazy. In the law of all countries the one who shoots is criminal.

So, soldiers are criminals, people on self defense are criminals, police officers are criminals, wait, no, it depends. Which is what I' have been saying.

I can and I will. Sentiments do not matter. If you support terrorists because you see them as "revolutionaries" you still support terrorists.

You can't objectively call something terrorism, unless it's only purpose is to cause terror. By your definition, all revolutionary armies trough history are terrorist, because, even if they fought for their independence, they still fought. All I said was that, Hamas is most definitely a terrorist group, but they aren't just a terrorist group to everyone.

It didn't belong to Arabic people too. It belonged to Britain, and before that - to Ottoman empire. So, Arabic people are okay to claim this land even if it didn't belong to them before, and jewish people are not okay to claim this land even if it didn't belong to them before? You are a hypocrite, kind sir.

It has been as much Arabic as Jewish since Israel took it from the Canaanites and shared it with them. A portion of Jewish left for Europe during the Crusades, others stayed. The land is and has always been of both.

Nope, it wasn't. It was a part of USSR, which officially ceased to exist. Learn history maybe, will you?

Israel also ceased to exist as a nation during the Babylon invasion, so, according to you, Israel has no right of that land.

No, it's not the same. Ukraine was a separate state, recognized by Russin, I mind you. On top of this, Russia even signed a special treaty about Ukraine's independence and sovereignty (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum)! Palestine didn't even exist as a state when Israel was formed. Saying that those cases are the same is just pure manipulation. So, technically a first Arab-Israely war was indeed " A local government and its people being invaded by a superpower because of history and heritage", but the local government was Jewish and superpower was Arabic. Only difference is that Israel had better support from US an EU (and maybe they are a better fighters too, who knows), so they did much better in this war (but never were able to finish it, because even after so many losses attacking side never agrees to negotiate). Actually, Ukraine only holds so long because of help from US and EU too, so it's much the same as Israel in this regard.

Palestine existed as a colony of Britain, from where do you think the people called Palestine came from? What do you think happened to the people that lived on that colony when Israel declared independence? You say Arabic were a superpower, and the only difference was that Israel had support from US and EU after WWII ended, who of those two bands is a superpower? I'm just trying to say that Palestine has as much right to fight for what they consider their own land, just as Ukraine has of defending its borders from Russia.

And, in the end - I never said that Jewish government in Israel are saints and never did anything wrong. They did and probably will do again. But I strongly believe, that terror acts are terrible answer for their wrongdoings. Only diplomacy can end this war. And Hamas, as you can see, don't negotiate, they just refer to terror again and again. So yes, I believe that first step for Palestinians to win - it to fight against Hamas, not with them.

I wholly agree to this, both governments have done wrong to an extent, and the only way to end this is trough compromise, but, is not just the Palestine that are unwilling to negotiate, neither Israel, nor Palestine, nor Hamas have been really willing to solve things peacefully. The most recent peace on Gaza was when Israel militarily occupied the territories, but this brought a problem, some Jewish moved to those territories, because Israel was managing them, so, when Israel let them to self-manage, they didn't leave, after all, they moved there when it was managed by Israel, and this brought even more conflict. It is quite sad to see, because just like Russian and Ukrainian, both Jewish and Palestine are cousins, they both belong to that land, but be it the hate between them or the greed of their leaders, both ended up in war, and the ones suffering the most, are civilians on both sides.

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why is it called Palestine if it's on Israel territory?

Palestine is a name of territory, not a state. Maybe you will stop asking stupid questions and just learn instead?

So, soldiers are criminals, people on self defense are criminals, police officers are criminals, wait, no, it depends. Which is what I' have been saying.

If soldiers attack civilians - they are criminals. And in case of self defense one need to prove they were attacked, not just "didn't have much options in life". Arabic people where the attackers, it was not self defense , neither a country defense, it was just offense, Don't try to pretend that they had to attack, you are looking miserable while trying to do it. Same rhetoric russians use since the start of invasion, and it's as much bullshit.

You can't objectively call something terrorism, unless it's only purpose is to cause terror.

So, what other purposes Hamas has for missile attacks on sities, other than causing terror? They target civilians, not military object. Same as fucking russians. Only reason is to cause terror, no other reasons.

Israel also ceased to exist as a nation during the Babylon invasion, so, according to you, Israel has no right of that land.

Trying to manipulate again, don't you? You're miserable in your attempts. USSR was disbanded, and 15 republics that it consisted of become separate states. British mandate Palestine was disbanded, and divided into two countries - Jordan for Arabic people and Israel to be multi-national, with Arabic and Jewish regions.The facts is: there were no such state as Palestine at this point, and Arabic people actually got much more land than Jewish people (so don't claim poor "Palestinians" had no place to go, that's just outright lie).

I'm just trying to say that Palestine has as much right to fight for what they consider their own land, just as Ukraine has of defending its borders from Russia.

Considering something yours don't make it yours. And it don't give you any right to fight. If I consider YOUR home mine, and will try to kill you, won't you consider me a terrorist and criminal? By your logic I'm revolutionary rebel, no less.
Also, can you please tell me, why people of Palestine didn't fight Britain while being occupied by it? Why didn't they fight Ottoman Empire, while being occupied by it? This land wasn't theirs for centuries, and they only started to fight when it become Israel. What a coincidence, right, and has nothing to do with religion and national hatred, and totally nothing to do with believing that Jewish people will be weak.

I wholly agree to this, both governments have done wrong to an extent, and the only way to end this is trough compromise, but, is not just the Palestine that are unwilling to negotiate, neither Israel, nor Palestine, nor Hamas have been really willing to solve things peacefully.

The fact is Israel leaved some lands they occupied during those wars, actually, quite a lot, It's clearly a sign of willing to solve things peacefully. What Palestine and Hamas did?

This is my last answer to you. I love a good discussion, but I'm tired of repeating facts over and over again, and see in return manipulation and hypocrisy, without any actual proofs. I hope my comments at least made you think about it, and not blindly support one side because you like them more. You don't seem as much a lost cause as topic starter, so I have hope that you will at least try to look at things from another angle.

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Palestine is a name of territory, not a state. Maybe you will stop asking stupid questions and just learn instead?

A territory has people, even if there is no state. I was trying to say that it was called Palestine before, and therefore the people that lived there considered themselves Palestinians (born on that territory).

If soldiers attack civilians - they are criminals. And in case of self defense one need to prove they were attacked, not just "didn't have much options in life". Arabic people where the attackers, it was not self defense , neither a country defense, it was just offense, Don't try to pretend that they had to attack, you are looking miserable while trying to do it. Same rhetoric russians use since the start of invasion, and it's as much bullshit.

That is your rhetoric, not mine, I said it depends on the reason, circumstances and history among many, other facts. Violence is violence no matter what, but, violence can also be justice, retribution and other things.

So, what other purposes Hamas has for missile attacks on sities, other than causing terror? They target civilians, not military object. Same as fucking russians. Only reason is to cause terror, no other reasons.

There could be many, to force Israel to leave the land, to help Netanyahu gain more support, also, I'm no expert, but, I imagine they fire missiles in all directions to try and overwhelm Israel's defensive systems, if they only targeted military objectives, they'd probably never land a single missile. But according to Hamas leadership it was 'to free Palestinian prisoners, stop Israeli aggression on al-Aqsa Mosque, and to break the siege on Gaza''. Source

Trying to manipulate again, don't you? You're miserable in your attempts. USSR was disbanded, and 15 republics that it consisted of become separate states. British mandate Palestine was disbanded, and divided into two countries - Jordan for Arabic people and Israel to be multi-national, with Arabic and Jewish regions.The facts is: there were no such state as Palestine at this point, and Arabic people actually got much more land than Jewish people (so don't claim poor "Palestinians" had no place to go, that's just outright lie).

Again, I was just using an example of your own argument. I do not think that way of thinking is correct at all, but that's yours not mine. I also never said they had nowhere to go then, I'm saying they have nowhere to go now. If you are from Palestine and want out of the war, what are your options? Meanwhile, if you are Jewish and don't want conflict, you can simply leave, and lo an behold, the majority of Jewish aren't even living on Israel (57% live outside) and not all of them support Zionism either.

Considering something yours don't make it yours. And it don't give you any right to fight. If I consider YOUR home mine, and will try to kill you, won't you consider me a terrorist and criminal? By your logic I'm revolutionary rebel, no less.
Also, can you please tell me, why people of Palestine didn't fight Britain while being occupied by it? Why didn't they fight Ottoman Empire, while being occupied by it? This land wasn't theirs for centuries, and they only started to fight when it become Israel. What a coincidence, right, and has nothing to do with religion and national hatred, and totally nothing to do with believing that Jewish people will be weak.

During the First World War (1914โ€“1918), an Arab uprising against Ottoman rule and the British Empire's Egyptian Expeditionary Force drove the Ottoman Turks out of the Levant.[3] The United Kingdom had agreed in the McMahonโ€“Hussein Correspondence that it would honour Arab independence if the Arabs revolted against the Ottoman Turks, but in the end, the United Kingdom and France divided the area under the Sykesโ€“Picot Agreementโ€”an act of betrayal in the eyes of the Arabs.

Sourced from the second paragraph of the wikipedia page for Mandatory Palestine

So, as you can see, they did fight, but got betrayed. Maybe you should try to learn a little bit more of history.

The fact is Israel leaved some lands they occupied during those wars, actually, quite a lot, It's clearly a sign of willing to solve things peacefully. What Palestine and Hamas did?

if Israel is as cooperative as you claim, then why has Palestine steadily lose territory since 1947? As for what Palestine and Hamas have done, well, is fight precisely because of this fact.

This is my last answer to you. I love a good discussion, but I'm tired of repeating facts over and over again, and see in return manipulation and hypocrisy, without any actual proofs. I hope my comments at least made you think about it, and not blindly support one side because you like them more. You don't seem as much a lost cause as topic starter, so I have hope that you will at least try to look at things from another angle.

My friend, those were your opinions, my 'manipulation' as you call it, is rhetoric using your own logic, and does not reflect my opinion at all, also, the sources you linked me support the timeline I presented to you. I do not support one side blindly, if anything, you seem pretty keen on that. I do have to agree that OP is a little too much, but, I can sort of understand, since he is from the region and this affects him and his neighbors.

I'll give you a TLDR since you won't be answering anymore:

I think Israel, Palestine and Hamas have committed crimes, but also have a legitimate reason to fight, even if their methods aren't the best, and I mean that, for all of them. I think the best solution would be to share the land among them, like they did before Israel declared independence, the problem is that Israel is a confessional state, so, that's never going to happen, and the only other way to end the war, is to massacre all Palestinian, be it literally or culturally, so they cease to exist, which Israel is already pretty close of achieving.

Discussion is meant to help us understand one another, and I do understand your opinions and sentiment, it is a shame you don't seem to share the same goal, since ignorance and subjectivity, bring fear, fear brings hate and hate brings war.

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You are just posting bullshit again. Not going to answer everything, it makes no sense, but blatant lies like this:

if Israel is as cooperative as you claim, then why has Palestine steadily lose territory since 1947?

Deserve an answer. Palestine didn't exist in 1947. That's a fucking fact, stop imagining things. And it's gaining territory since the moment they formed as a state, that's also a fact. Your map is pure bullshit, in 1897 it was ottoman empire, not Palestine, 1947 it was bi-national Israel, not Palestine. I attached historically accurate map for you again, feel free to fact-check it, but it's 100% accurate - Palestine actually acquired A LOT of land of a state that was proclaimed as part of another state. If you want discussion, not to mention support - first bother to not tell outright lies.

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Why did you add Golan Heights (internationally recognized to be Syrian land) and Jordan (internationally recognized as a sovereign country) in that picture?

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You know, there are dates under pictures. Google what was there at that date, and I'm pretty sure you'll get answers to your questions.

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Are you joking right now? Jordan was severed from Palestine in the 1920s, it became an independent country in the 1940s, your picture shows it as "Arab land" as recent as 2005. Technically, yes, Jordan is 'Arab land', but what does that have to do with the Palestine-Israel territorial dispute of 2023?

The discussion is about the Palestine-Israel situation, and you snuck in land that hasn't been relevant since before Israel even existed to make it look like Palestinians have more land, and you even threw in the Golan Heights to inflate it even more. Speak about misleading..

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Jordan territory was part of "British mandate palestine" in 1922. It was given to arabs when British mandate palestine was disbaned after WW2, and become independent state of Jordan. What's your question? Isn't Jordan Arabic? Wasn't it given to them by Britan after WWII? On more recent pictures it just shown for reference. And surprise, Palestine as a state didn't even exist before Israel become a thing, and for quite some time after it become a thing, too. Don't pretend it's "Palestinve vs Israel" conflict. Non-existent country can't be side of conflict. It's arabs vs jews conflict, always have been, and it happened so that all surrounding arab countries took part in it too. From where do you think attack that started first arab-israeli war originated?

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Jordan territory was part of "British mandate palestine" in 1922.

Surprise! We live in 2023!

You do realize that by adding Transjordan to the map, you are actually showing that Palestinians lost even more land than the regular maps, right? It was part of the British Palestine Mandate after all. Which kinda undermines the argument you were trying to make that Palestinians actually gained land in your earlier post.

It was given to arabs when British mandate palestine was disbaned after WW2, and become independent state of Jordan. What's your question? Isn't Jordan Arabic? Wasn't it given to them by Britan after WWII?

Exactly, so why do you add it to your map to underline your argument about Palestinian's territorial gain vs Israeli territorial loss? Notice how the timeline jumps from 1922 to 1973. You know why that is? Because it's not relevant in today's conflict.

And you even added the Golan Heights as land under Israeli control, despite being internationally recognized as an illegal occupation, but just ignore that I guess ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

And surprise, Palestine as a state didn't even exist before Israel become a thing, and for quite some time after it become a thing, too

Just like Israel didn't exist before 1948, which makes your argument even more of a moot point when showing irrelevant maps. If you want to show an accurate portrayal Palestinian territorial gain vs Israeli territorial loss, which is the post I initially replied to, it makes no sense to have it start before 1948.

Don't pretend it's "Palestinve vs Israel" conflict.

This thread is literally a Palestinian awareness thread, which is about the ongoing Palestinian vs Israel territorial dispute. What else did you think it was about?

Non-existent country can't be side of conflict.

But then... Why does Israel say they are at war? Who are they at war with if the Palestinians can't be a side in this conflict? And why did they cut supply lines to Southern Israel, don't they like Southern Israelis?

It's arabs vs jews conflict, always have been, and it happened so that all surrounding arab countries took part in it too.

Sounds like you're stuck in 1967. If this was still the case, why would Egypt not open borders with Gaza to help other Arabs? Or why would Saudi Arabia make deals with Israel, if they are at war with Jews? And why is Iran being dragged into this conflict, if this is just an Arabs vs Jews conflict?


Now that you brought up Transjordan, here's some trivia: the early Zionist movement that eventually lead to the creation of Israel, even wanted that land to be part of it:

"Although Transjordanโ€”i.e., the lands east of the Jordan Riverโ€”constituted three-fourths of the British mandate of Palestine, it was, despite protests from the Zionists, excluded from the clauses covering the establishment of a Jewish national home." -Britannica

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Surprise! We live in 2023!

So? My opponent was referring to history, and claiming that Palestine lost land. So I showed the facts that it's not so. Surprise, state of Palestine has now more land than when it was formed! Usually this called "expansion".

You do realize that by adding Transjordan to the map, you are actually showing that Palestinians lost even more land than the regular maps, right?

What the fuck did I just read? Arabs that live there GOT this land. Palestine as a state - didn't exist back then, so it can't lose it either. So, the only side that "lost" land is Britain.

Exactly, so why do you add it to your map to underline your argument about Palestinian's territorial gain vs Israeli territorial loss?

Because that's part of history? There was British mandate palestine. It was split to Jordan (land for arabs!) and israel (bi-national state, with land for both arabs and jews). Do you remember that this is not a conflict between Palestine and Israel, because Palestine didn't exist back then? It's a conflict between jews and arabs, and arabs got MORE land, but still started a war back then. That's just facts, without sentiments.

This thread is literally a Palestinian awareness thread, which is about the ongoing Palestinian vs Israel territorial dispute. What else did you think it was about?

Yes, and people should be aware that Palestine didn't exist when Israel was formed, and later claimed that it owns part of Israel's land, so it's not an "occupation by Israel".

But then... Why does Israel say they are at war? Who are they at war with if the Palestinians can't be a side in this conflict? And why did they cut supply lines to Southern Israel, don't they like Southern Israelis?

They are at war with arabs, who started it. It's more than just state of Palestine, which only became a thing much later. But it's clear that Palestine joinde this war after forming, and they are on ATTACKING side.

If this was still the case, why would Egypt not open borders with Gaza to help other Arabs

Maybe ask Egypt? My guess is they lost miserably and don't want their ass kicked anymore, so they prefer to engage in a proxy by supporting Palestine, than engaging in this again directly.

Now that you brought up Transjordan, here's some trivia: the early Zionist movement that eventually lead to the creation of Israel, even wanted that land to be part of it:

And? It's okay to want some land, as long as you don't try to take it by force. In some alternative reality it all may have be different, and Israel started war against Jordan. But we are in the reality where united arab forces started the war against Israel.

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So? My opponent was referring to history, and claiming that Palestine lost land. So I showed the facts that it's not so. Surprise, state of Palestine has now more land than when it was formed! Usually this called "expansion".

I haven't seen a single fact from you showing that Palestine gained land since it was formed. Only that the British lost land, and Israel illegally occupied Syrian and Egyptian land, which they have since returned.

What the fuck did I just read? Arabs that live there GOT this land. Palestine as a state - didn't exist back then, so it can't lose it either. So, the only side that "lost" land is Britain.

Again, what does Arab land of other countries have to do with whether Palestinians gained or lost land? You brought it up as an example of land gained by Palestinians, however the only fact is that it's now Arabic land instead of British land.

Because that's part of history? There was British mandate palestine. It was split to Jordan (land for arabs!) and israel (bi-national state, with land for both arabs and jews). Do you remember that this is not a conflict between Palestine and Israel, because Palestine didn't exist back then? It's a conflict between jews and arabs, and arabs got MORE land, but still started a war back then. That's just facts, without sentiments.

Now you're saying Arabs got more land. Your original argument was that Palestinians gained land. You can't just argue that because Palestinians are Arabs, that all Arab land is Palestinian broski.

Yes, and people should be aware that Palestine didn't exist when Israel was formed, and later claimed that it owns part of Israel's land, so it's not an "occupation by Israel".

The reason why people call it an "occupation by Israel" is because they took control of land that was originally meant to be given to the Palestinians, i.e. the UN partition plan. Which is an actual fact btw.

They are at war with arabs, who started it. It's more than just state of Palestine, which only became a thing much later. But it's clear that Palestine joinde this war after forming, and they are on ATTACKING side.

There are a lot of Arab countries, and there are Arab countries who are tightening their ties with Israel. So Israel isn't at war with "Arabs". Israel is at war with a terrorist organization called Hamas, who only have 30,000 members, but are collectively punishing 1,500,000 people.

Maybe ask Egypt? My guess is they lost miserably and don't want their ass kicked anymore, so they prefer to engage in a proxy by supporting Palestine, than engaging in this again directly.

But they aren't supporting Palestine, nor are they in a proxy war with Israel. They are letting them die, just like Israel is. Let's keep it to the facts please.

And? It's okay to want some land, as long as you don't try to take it by force. In some alternative reality it all may have be different, and Israel started war against Jordan. But we are in the reality where united arab forces started the war against Israel.

It was just trivia. I like trivia. So I added trivia ๐Ÿ˜Š

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I haven't seen a single fact from you showing that Palestine gained land since it was formed.

Then next time try reading what I wrote, and pay attention. No reason to answer to you if you don't even bother to read.

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I wouldn't really bother, like I said, they are not willing to compromise, they only want to reaffirm their views even with all the evidence we and them have put on the table (evidence, that often contradicts their own arguments). A position born of hate, hate that comes from ignorance and their wish to stay that way.

It's almost funny, they speak like they don't even know war... And perhaps they don't.

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I'm sorry, but, Palestine came to existence precisely in 1947 when the UN made the Partition Plan and United Nations General Assembly adopted the plan as Resolution 181. However, it is true that the plan never came to fruition, because the Arab League fought against the imposed UN division of the land and after that war, the land was divided between Israel and Palestine as shown in the maps I already sent you.

Your map is not of Israel nor Palestine but a large portion of Middle East. It includes territory of Egypt, Israel, Syria, Jordan and Palestine. Those might be all Arab, but, not all of them are Palestine. Is like saying all Central Europeans share a nation, which, they don't.

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I'm sorry, but, Palestine came to existence precisely in 1947 when the UN made the Partition Plan and United Nations General Assembly adopted the plan as Resolution 181.

Care to show any proof? Wiki says it declared independence on 15 November 1988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Declaration_of_Independence
So, until this date it's safe to say that Palestine didn't exist as a state. And if there is no state - it can't be occupied.

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if there is no state - it can't be occupied.

The world before the French revolutions that established the first democratic state in the world (check GIF)

Memes aside, do you know what you need to be considered a state? It's three things, just look them up. But in case you are lazy, here they are:

You need a territory.
You need a population.
You need the recognition of other states.

So, yes, a territory can be occupied by people before it becomes a state, actually to become a state you first need people. I do agree on Palestine not existing a state, because it was under Israel management. Just like Ukraine was under USSR until 1991. Did Ukraine exist before they declared independence? Of course they did, were there people there before it became a state? Absolutely!

Care to show any proof?

Here's one, two and three.

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You need the recognition of other states.

I'm glad that you confirmed that there was no Palestine before 1988, because they lacked this third part.

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๐Ÿคฌ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ๐ข ๐“๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ:
๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ๐ข ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐ ๐š๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ž๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฉ๐ž๐ง ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ซ๐ž ๐š๐ญ ๐ฎ๐ง๐š๐ซ๐ฆ๐ž๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐…๐ซ๐ข๐๐š๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐š๐ฒ๐ž๐ซ ๐ข๐ง ๐‡๐ž๐›๐ซ๐จ๐ง
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yUdzBqyLdEA
๐‘๐ž๐ฎ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ž๐จ๐ ๐ซ๐š๐ฉ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ž๐, ๐ฃ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง๐š๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐จ๐ง ๐‹๐ž๐›๐š๐ง๐จ๐ง-๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ ๐›๐จ๐ซ๐๐ž๐ซ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OJdFrhnpGg

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I don't know how I feel about people posting gofundme pages here. It's a US, ohio based charity that pays it's 50+ employees around 60k-70k a year, and then money goes towards the causes, which would include flying people there and back, accommodation, etc. This charity being somewhat well rated also makes no sense as it's not even close to the location it has to serve. I can't imagine it's cheap to ship doctors there and back and pay for their housing and food while there, so a lot of the money being donated goes to things other than the cause, I can't find exact numbers since they don't seem to be posted anywhere. I'm actually surprised US planes are even flying there right now especially, if they are? Gas, water, electricity and food have all been cut off as far as I know. So I'm guessing a little, but right now your money would go and sit on the side until they can ship people there safely, at who knows what prices. Keep in mind company also had profits of about $21 millions last year, and their expenses were about $13 million. So I'm curious as to what happened to the other $8 million or if it's been set aside.

Either way, I'm all up for information(although with this subject there seems to be some debate as to what's the truth), but I don't think posting donation links should be allowed as I have no clue how they help in this situation for instance. A topic regarding todays situation seems to be more focused on things from many years ago, so it seems more like using today's situation to fuel some discussion about that, rather than keep it on topic.

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Kindly dont post donation links on this thread as its hard to verify a legitimate and scam links. I understand your good intention. For donations you can open your own thread.

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Lol, that's a thread full of blacklist here....for sure....

I grew up in a bad neighborhood in France (even worst now), mostly Muslim. Horrible people. No pork at school, no lunch during Ramadan (not enough white people to eat....), trying to fight you if you eat....
The few Jewish I knew were fun and nice.

So I hope Israel will build a nice parking lot over Gaza :)

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Thanks for visiting.

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it's funny that I've had all the pro terrorists ppl already on my bl before. trash will stay trash, no matter the topic, no matter the thread.
I'll not comment on your story or my acc will be banned hehe. :3
๐Ÿ™€๐Ÿ˜บ

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OH DEAR Kathleen I think we were friends once. BTW thanks for visiting the post.

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Funny how all terrorists are Muslim tho, right? This Friday in France, a Muslim killed a teacher, again....
Always them, always will be....

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First of all we don't need any type of propaganda here.
Second, you can't use your "Victim card" after what happened 7 october 2023.
Palestine enemy is only one, and it's called Hamas. If you support Hamas you are the terrorist here.

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It is shameful that steamgifts mods are allowing this terror sympathizer posting a one sided loaded narrative right after the most brutal terror attack on people of Israel

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Thanks for sharing your view.

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ะ•ะฒั€ะตะธ - ั‚ะธะฟะธั‡ะฝั‹ะต ั„ะฐัˆะธัั‚ั‹, ะฐะฑััƒั€ะด, ะฝะพ ัั‚ะพ ั‚ะฐะบ. ะ’ ะพั‚ะฒะตั‚ ะฝะฐ ะฐั‚ะฐะบัƒ ั‚ะตั€ั€ะพั€ะธัั‚ะธั‡ะตัะบะพะน ะณั€ัƒะฟะฟั‹ - ั€ะตัˆะธะปะธ ัั€ะฐะฒะฝัั‚ัŒ ั ะทะตะผะปั‘ะน ะฒััŽ ะ“ะฐะทัƒ ัƒะฑะธะฒะฐั ะณั€ะฐะถะดะฐะฝัะบะธั… ะฒะบะปัŽั‡ะฐั ะดะตั‚ะตะน (ัั€ะตะดะฝะธะน ะฒะพะทั€ะฐัั‚ ะถะธั‚ะตะปั ะ“ะฐะทั‹ - 20 ะปะตั‚) ะธ ั€ะพะฒะฝัั ั ะทะตะผะปั‘ะน ะฒััŽ ะณั€ะฐะถะดะฐะฝัะบัƒัŽ ะธะฝั„ั€ะฐัั‚ั€ัƒะบั‚ัƒั€ัƒ. ะงั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั‚ะธะฒะพั€ะตั‡ะธั‚ ัƒัั‚ะฐะฒัƒ ะžะžะ. ะ•ะฒั€ะพะฟะตะนัะบะธะต ะณะพััƒะดะฐั€ัั‚ะฒะฐ ะฒะพ ะณะปะฐะฒะต ั ะกะจะ ะบะพะฝะตั‡ะฝะพ ะถะต ะฝะฐ ัั‚ะพั€ะพะฝะต ะ•ะฒั€ะตะตะฒ ะธ ะฟะพะดะดะตั€ะถะธะฒะฐัŽั‚ ัั‚ะพั‚ ะณะตะฝะพั†ะธะด ะผัƒััƒะปัŒะผะฐะฝัะบะพะณะพ ะฝะฐั€ะพะดะฐ, ะฒะตะดัŒ ะตะฒั€ะตะธ ะฒะตะทะดะต. ะขะตั€ั€ะพั€ะธัั‚ะธั‡ะตัะบะพะต ะณะพััƒะดะฐั€ัั‚ะฒะพ ะ˜ะทั€ะฐะธะปัŒ (ัะพะทะดะฐะฝะฝะพะต ะธัะบัƒัั‚ะฒะตะฝะฝะพ ะฝะฐ ั‚ะตั€ั€ะธั‚ะพั€ะธะธ ะŸะฐะปะตัั‚ะธะฝั‹) ะฝะธ ั‡ะตะผ ะฝะต ะปัƒั‡ัˆะต ั‚ะตั€ั€ะพั€ะธัั‚ะพะฒ ะฅะะœะะก ะฝะฐะฟะฐะฒัˆะธั… ะฝะฐ ะตะฒั€ะตะตะฒ. ะะฐะดะตัŽััŒ ะฒะตััŒ ะ˜ัะปะฐะผัะบะธะน ะผะธั€ ะพะฑัŠะตะดะธะฝะธั‚ัŒัั ะฟั€ะพั‚ะธะฒ ะตะฒั€ะตะนัะบะพะน ะพะบะบัƒะฟะฐั†ะธะธ ะธ ั‚ะตั€ั€ะพั€ะฐ! ะ ะพััะธั ั ะŸะฐะปะตัั‚ะธะฝะพะน! ะฏ ะถะธะฒัƒ ะฒ ะขะฐั‚ะฐั€ัั‚ะฐะฝะต, ะผั‹ ะผัƒััƒะปัŒะผะฐะฝัะบะฐั ะ ะตัะฟัƒะฑะปะธะบะฐ ะธ ะผั‹ ะฝะฐ ัั‚ะพั€ะพะฝะต ะŸะฐะปะตัั‚ะธะฝั†ะตะฒ. ะะฒั‚ะพั€ัƒ ัะฟะฐัะธะฑะพ ะทะฐ ัะพะทะดะฐะฝะธะต ั‚ะตะผั‹!

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Russia invaded Ukraine and you are here telling us who is the terrorist and who isn't..
This is getting ridiculous -__-

Any mod online? please?

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ะขะตะฑะต ะฝะฐะฟะพะผะฝะธั‚ัŒ ะบัƒะดะฐ ะฒั‚ะพั€ะณะปะธััŒ ะกะจะ ัะพ ะฒั€ะตะผั‘ะฝ ะพะบะพะฝั‡ะฐะฝะธั ะ’ั‚ะพั€ะพะน ะœะธั€ะพะน ะฒะพะนะฝั‹? ะ—ะฐะบั€ั‹ะป ะฑั‹ ะฟะฐัั‚ัŒ ะธ ะฝะต ะฟั€ะธะฟะธัั‹ะฒะฐะป ั…ะพั‚ัŒ ััŽะดะฐ ั…ะพั…ะปะพะฒ! ะ ะพััะธั ะทะฐั‰ะธั‰ะฐะปะฐ ั€ัƒััะบะธั… ะฟะพัะปะต 8 ะปะตั‚ ะณะตะฝะพั†ะธะดะฐ ัะพ ัั‚ะพั€ะพะฝั‹ ัƒะบั€ะฐะธะฝัะบะพะณะพ ะผะฐั€ะธะพะฝะตั‚ะพั‡ะฝะพะณะพ ะฟั€ะฐะฒะธั‚ะตะปัŒัั‚ะฒะฐ ะฟั€ะธัˆะตะดัˆะตะณะพ ะบ ะฒะปะฐัั‚ะธ ะฝะต ะทะฐะบะพะฝะฝะพ ะฒ 2014ะผ ะฟะพัะปะต ะ•ะฒั€ะพะผะฐะนะดะฐะฝะฐ!
ะ ั‡ั‚ะพ ะทะฐั‰ะธั‰ะฐะปะฐ ะกะจะ ะฒั‚ะพั€ะณะฐัััŒ ะฒ ั€ะฐะทะฝั‹ะต ัั‚ั€ะฐะฝั‹ ะฟะพ ะฒัะตะผัƒ ะผะธั€ัƒ? ะ”ะตะผะพะบั€ะฐั‚ะธัŽ? ะะตั‚, ะพะฝะธ ะฟั€ะตัะปะตะดะพะฒะฐะปะธ ั‚ะพะปัŒะบะพ ะธะฝั‚ะตั€ะตัั‹ ัะพะฑัั‚ะฒะตะฝะฝะพะณะพ ะบะพัˆะตะปัŒะบะฐ! ะะพ ัั‚ะพ ะดั€ัƒะณะพะต ะดะฐ? ะงั‚ะพ ะบะฐัะฐะตั‚ัั ะ ะพััะธะธ, ั‚ะตะฟะตั€ัŒ ะฒะพัั‚ะพะบ ะฑั‹ะฒัˆะตะน ัƒะบั€ะฐะธะฝัะบะพะน ะกะกะ  ะฟั€ะธะฝะฐะดะปะตะถะธั‚ ะ ะพััะธะธ. ะ ะพััะธั ะทะฐ ะณะพะด ะพะฑัƒัั‚ั€ะพะธะปะฐ ัั‚ะธ ั‚ะตั€ั€ะธั‚ะพั€ะธะธ ั‚ะฐะบ, ะบะฐะบ ะฝะต ัะผะพะณะปะฐ ัƒะบั€ะฐะธะฝะฐ ะทะฐ 30 ะปะตั‚))) ะ”ะตะฝะฐั†ะธั„ะธะบะฐั†ะธั ะธ ะดะตะผะธะปะธั‚ะฐั€ะธะทะฐั†ะธั ัƒะบั€ะฐะธะฝั‹ ะฟั€ะพะดะพะปะถะฐะตั‚ัั!

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You've been brainwashed and you're too far gone. I was going to go ahead and point out how everything you said is stupid in a few different forms, not just one, but then I realized you are actually a Putin supporter.

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ะงั‚ะพ ะตัะปะธ ั ัะบะฐะถัƒ, ั‡ั‚ะพ ัั‚ะพ ะฒะฐะผ ะฟั€ะพะผั‹ะปะธ ะผะพะทะณะธ ะธ ัั‚ะพ ะฒั‹ ัะฒะปัะตะตั‚ะตััŒ ะถะตั€ั‚ะฒะพะน ะทะฐะฟะฐะดะฝะพะน ะฟั€ะพะฟะฐะณะฐะฝะดั‹? ะขะพ-ั‚ะพ ะธ ะพะฝะพ, ะบะพะณะดะฐ ะฝะตั‚ ะฐั€ะณัƒะผะตะฝั‚ะพะฒ ะธ ะฝะตั‡ะตะณะพ ัะบะฐะทะฐั‚ัŒ ัƒ ะฒะฐั ั‚ะพะปัŒะบะพ ะพะดะธะฝ ะฐั€ะณัƒะผะตะฝั‚ - "ะฒะฐะผ ะฟั€ะพะผั‹ะปะธ ะผะพะทะณะธ ะธ ะฒั‹ ัั‚ะพั€ะพะฝะฝะธะบ ะŸัƒั‚ะธะฝะฐ" ะั…ะฐั…ะฐั…ะฐ

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I mean I can say I don't support something without vanishing, you can't afford that luxury. If you would've had the opportunity, you probably would understand what I mean, but again, you don't.

Arguments I'm sure you can find plenty, like the invasion in the first place, but you're brainwashed. Your own president silenced media who didn't agree with him. That speaks for itself. What's the point of me rewriting anything you should be able to look up in two seconds.

The point was that if you actually support putin to any degree, you are either brainwashed, or you have no soul. There isn't any other option. Because of your sentences above where you wish upon harm on many people so that putin can carry his agenda, despite how many russian people of your own suffered already and will continue to suffer for the many years to come, I figured it's pretty pointless to explain to you what the difference is, because even if someone explains to you that this will cause you harm now and in the long term, you like to live the illusion that it wont. Good luck with that. At the same time, putin has always treated you like crap anyways, so how would you know the difference, again?

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It's so funny to read the same brainwashing attempt over and over again, now even in the Palestine thread and with the extra disrespect posting russian in an international forum.
Russian trolls already tried to sell us these lies a thousand times, all according to the troll rulebook for starters, repeating like a parrot and still incapable of creating RAT (russian awarenes thread)

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Bro english please. I Just used translator thanks for sharing your point of view.

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ะะฝะณะปะธะนัะบะธะน ะฝะต ะผะพะน ัะทั‹ะบ, ัƒ ะผะตะฝั ะฝะตั‚ ะถะตะปะฐะฝะธั ะพะฑั‰ะฐั‚ัŒัั ะธัะฟะพะปัŒะทัƒั ะฟะตั€ะตะฒะพะดั‡ะธะบ. ะฃะดะฐั‡ะธ ะฒะฐะผ ะทะดะตััŒ, ัั€ะตะดะธ ะบัƒั‡ะธ ะฐะณั€ะตััะธะฒะฝะพ ะฝะฐัั‚ั€ะพะตะฝะฝั‹ั… ะตะฒั€ะตะตะฒ ะธ ัƒะบั€ะฐะธะฝั†ะตะฒ.

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Oh ok Thanks for visiting.

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This going to be my only comment in this thread, same as I did only comment once in the ukraine one too.
You are handling this really badly, your rabid fanaticism and the passive agressive comments you do, make you look like an unhinged lunatic, driven by emotions, not reason.
I'm not looking for a fight, or a lenghty back-and-forth. I, as someone not touched by the events, came to this thread and seen you behave in a way that made me disgusted. And I assume others might feel the same, judging from the comments others made.
As the thread maker, you need to keep a level of courtesy, even if you feel like they attacking your world views.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion.

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Smarter people than any of us have sat down for many, many decades to try to find a solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict - so I'm not expecting any of us nerds to hold the key to solving it or anything - but I'd love to hear what people's ideas are. How can there be peace when one sides' expressed intent is to eradicate the other? I'm genuinely curious.

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One option is to be conquered by aliens who would take religion away from humanity.
But that would not be realistic.

If politicians are inciting hostility with other peoples, it is more important to deter them.

Also, if the problem is that laws and morals are not being applied fairly where they should be, I think it is necessary to make the Israeli-Palestinian region under the direct jurisdiction of the UN and deny the right of arrest to both peoples.
Injustice accelerates discrimination and tends to electoralism, undermining the respect that people have for each other.

But they will be deprived of autonomy, the UN is a tool of the Western powers! and there have been times when things have gone wrong, so it seems that we have come this far in a state of limbo.

ใ€€Perhaps, if this issue were the only one on the planet when there were no other major problems, they would try to make it a temporary UN territory.๐Ÿค”
People cannot ignore human rights and override their brains with information about getting along with each other, so UN forces need to come between Israel and Palestine to restrain themselves.

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True words. As long as there is just a handful of people who chose violence all the rest of them will remain in this ever same trap with them.

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Who is illegal occupant in your vision?
๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง

๐Ÿ™„Neither Israel nor the Palestinians are to blame.
It is just that it was the "old British" who muddled through the UN's territorial adjustments by handling the management in a messy manner.
The same is true of the secret agreements that are the source of the problem.

Also, the Palestinian armed group Hamas, which is hardly a democracy, is a perpetrator.
It is no wonder that the Israelis are fighting back.

ใ€€However, the reality is that there have been many ongoing civilian casualties from Israeli bombing in Palestinian areas, and that discriminatory practices and settlement practices that violate UN regulations have also exacerbated those problems, even under the long-standing support and monitoring of the UN and human rights organizations.

In any case, the matter of massacring civilians, deliberately cutting power and infrastructure, and then demanding the impossible event of evacuating the northern Gaza Strip within 24 hours can only be malicious.
Evacuation corridors still do not exist.

As the UN Secretary General has said from the beginning, an immediate halt is desirable.
That is all that is required.

๐Ÿ“After all, it is an unfortunate event that this is probably the result of being left to deal with other important issues.
Iran, China and Russia instigated Hamas. The cycle of ill will needs to end. This must be the result.

And this video about the battle between Israel and Hamas is full of unusual fakery.
ใ€€There are even live feeds that do not take into account the "time difference with gaza."
You should go check with the UN and major news organizations before you believe anything you read on social networking sites, BBC, Guardian, ABC, CNN, Al Jazeera, you name it.

There are devils in this world who would rather profit from the number of views than the lives of the victims.

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In my experience there are two camps russian and american. You are in russian or in american camp otherwise( you will be hunt by both). They will exploit your weaknesses and use excessive force/power to make you join or make you oppose the other. There's nothing in between sad reality of this world. Its my experience it can be wrong. BTW Thanks for sharing you point of view.

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The aliens have nothing to do with the US or Russia. (Area 51 scares me)โˆ‘(ยดฮ˜`)ใ€€๐Ÿ›ธ
ใ€€However, I do not like the fact that the powerful people of the earth, the politicians, behave in an excessive manner in any country.
ใ€€All civilians who are not politicians are tormented by misery, which is exactly what is happening now.
What is bad is bad! If you are in an environment where you can't say this, then that place has been invaded by hell.
Correcting such a place while you can is the act of not spreading hell.

In any case, who benefits from this dispute? Those who lose money & life... are both parties. I would be careful about the actions of someone who instigated this.

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The aliens have nothing to do with the US or Russia

I've been told it's quite the opposite, not only US or Russia, but the whole world.

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Yeah, what does that have to do with "invasion(aliens)"? Did you read in the sentence meaning that you
I am from outside the earth. That's what it means, so don't think too much about it.๐Ÿ›ธ

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What is bad is bad! If you are in an environment where you can't say this, then that place has been invaded by hell.

๐Ÿค

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This thread created to directly promote the propaganda of a terroristic failed state and the very ideas of terrorism.

To the owners/admins/moderators: would you shut this down, please?

To the all kind people:

  • do not try to actually reason with the supporters: these are either a paid trolls (these do not have an opinion and do not reason actually) or so heavily srainwashed victims that can't change their mind due to the later's paralysis. Some emotional responses and some perverted replies will be used later for inner propaganda on the terrorist controlled areas. Remember this;

  • you could take some bitter advantage of realising who is who.

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If you don't agree or don't like the thread you can skip it. Thanks for visiting.

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My comment is lost somewhere, but I already asked why this guy isn't banned yet (and obviously this thread closed), and I ask myself this every time I see this thread on the discussions tab. I guess this is twitter now. But, even though they're trying to copy the guy, I doubt cg's bank account looks as nice as Elon Musk's. Hehe.

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What cg doesn't understand is that such blatant support for a terrorist organization and dissemination of that organization's propaganda claims and materials (which this thread is full of) is illegal in Germany and possibly other parts of the European Union. So cg's bank account could suffer even more if European Union authorities learn that SG allows unmoderated hate speech and support for terrorists.

My support ticket remains unanswered for now (perhaps it's still too early due to normal delay times or perhaps it was ignored), so I think it will be useful if other people also create support tickets regarding this thread. It would be a shame if the EU banned steamgifts or a fine was imposed on cg that Musk could afford to pay, but he is unlikely to.

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It should be banned, filled with lies on lies, I created a ticket yesterday too, but SG seems to not care at all.
There is a way of supporting something, and this aint it chief.

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I agree, and its true. And yes, it is illegal.
The EU law for moderation is actually only for giant tech companies so cg doesn't have to worry about his bank account. Is the owner responsible for what goes on in their website? Yes, of course.

Don't be too harsh on cg and the mods. I understand your anger but it's not really fair. It sucks for them enough they have to deal with these kind of unneeded situations constantly.

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I don't think the mods know what to do with this thread.
It started with a riot in the Ukraine thread. Everybody who participated, including me were suspended for very good reason, Actually a way longer suspension for all of us would have been more appropriate in my opinion.
His first post was the morning after the terrorist attack on Israel by Hamas. So his intentions were clear to me. Which I won't mention to avoid another suspension.
The mod advised him to make is own thread as it was off-topic, so he did. The hate (not awareness) continued here. If the mod only mentioned he was being off-topic and didn't mention his behavior then this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Now, can he close a thread that has been advised to make? If you see the content I would say yes. However CRAZY would argue the Ukraine thread has to be closed too because he believes it's "the same". Can a mod then also close the Ukraine thread? No, you can't close a 1 and a half year thread because 1 person starts a riot of hate and then give him exactly what he was trying to do. He was literally spamming in the thread to mods to close it. (Then made his own.)
So, I am pretty sure the mods are in an ethical dilemma. What to do and remain "impartial". After the warning and suspensions quite a lot of people should have already have been suspended here and yet nothing. This can't be easy for them.

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Oh, me too. Don't get me wrong. I've been in such situations often. Being a mod or admin is a terrible ungrateful "job". Every day there is a new drama and never a simple "thank you". That's actually what I am saying. This isn't easy for them. I would have a hard time handling this one too. (And yes, I am fully aware of the hypocrisy because I was part of the riot.)
I guess "this doesn't surprise me" came out the wrong way. My apologies. What I meant was, it doesn't surprise me this person with this behavior makes a new thread with the same kind of text if he only reads "the only thing I did wrong was off-topic".

//edit: and on this topic she made a very wise decision now too. Very good. :)

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"๐–๐ž ๐‚๐ซ๐ฒ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐š๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐š๐ง๐ฌ" | (๐€ ๐‘๐„๐€๐‹ ๐‰๐„๐–) ๐‘๐š๐›๐›๐ข ๐˜๐ข๐ฌ๐ซ๐จ๐ž๐ฅ ๐ƒ๐จ๐ฏ๐ข๐ ๐–๐ž๐ข๐ฌ๐ฌ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2H-F0HVKDY

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as hamas is beheading the toddlers and raping/massacrating the women there is also a need of israeli awareness thread; hamas is a terrorist organisation that should be rooted out of that planet and its russian/iranian sponsors together with it

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If there is a "palestinian" awereness with false claims and propaganda, maybe there should be Israeli awareness thread, but only because of the exsistence of this thread that is spreaded with lies.
Personally, I think this thread should be removed, and politics and propaganda arent a place for steamgifts, I think there shouldnt exist not an "palestine" awerness and not any other awerness including Israel itself, but it is what it is.

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This is the second time I've said this in this thread, stop circulating false claims that have been even disproven by the same media outlets that published them in the first place..
Many US and Israeli media outlets have backpedaled on these claims that originated from Israeli army leaders, for lack of evidence.

Meanwhile you can see the real evidence of civilians A lot of them are women and kids, since you care so much about the women and chidlren. being killed by the hour in Gaza due to the blind and rabid Israeli bombardment.

Also, Israel telling Palestinians to evacuate Northern parts of the Gaza strip then bombing the convoys of civilians trying to do such an evacuation while heading southward, causing literal hundreds of casualties is normal to you?

Finally, ask yourself why journalists that try to cover the real situation in Gaza are being threatened and silenced by Israeli army officials.
And why the Reuters cameraman that martyred the other day in an Israeli bombing on their crew of journalists They were all in uniform that clearly says PRESS btw at the border between Lebanon/Israel, were reported on by the agency that he worked for Reuters to have been "killed" on the border without specifying who actually killed him.

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Thanks for visiting.

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Closed 1 year ago by cg.